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So What If He's Gay?

So What If He's Gay?

As we all know, there has been a lot of controversy lately over whether American states should gives gays and lesbians the right to marry, adopt, etc. George Dubya Bush strongly accepts the idea of there being a new law in the Constitution, one that states that the only marriage acceptable is between man and woman. Not a good idea, Mr. President. Now the gays and lesbians of the community refuse to vote for you.

Anyways, Mr. President says that it violates the "sacred covenant with God" (Galatians). Maybe for you, but not for me. It would be a commitment between me and my partner. Isn't there a strict law not to combine church with government anyways? The atheists, anarchists, agnostics wouldn't like that...

"It's a threat to marriage" Who's? Not mine, or yours for that matter.

"Homosexuality is unnatural" I don't think so.. Many scientists have found homosexual behavior throughout the animal kingdom. Ever heard of lesbian seagulls?

Bottom line- To those religious people out there: why not hate the sin, not the sinner? I would have thought that a religious president such as Bush would have opened that moral up already. For didn't Jesus himself say it?
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Reply #76 Top
First off, the World Wide Web and the internet, though often used synonimously, are not the same thing. Jebidia, the book of Leviticus also tells me not to wear cloth of two different materials, which pretty much rules out nearly all modern clothing, since, and this really cracks me up, the tag is nearly always a different material than the rest of the shirt. Now my Rabbi friends assure me that this counts as "two different materials", so you're breaking Levitical Law.

Cheers
Reply #77 Top
And apparently you live in India Sir Peter, since Maxwell Industries produces Women's undergarments there.

Cheers
Reply #78 Top
and, I could live in China doesn't make me Chinese does it?


no, but I wonder why glorious England wouldn't have been a suitable place for his discovery... might have had something to do with the resources in the States...
Reply #79 Top
England is full of jealous peasants who begrudge a chap success that's why, I lived in New York for most of the 80's for this very reason.

You must understand that when i talk of England, I talk of upperclass England not the great unwashed that have dragged our once great nation into the gutter.The American people are more welcoming to high achievers as they are more ambitious than the working class British urchins
Reply #80 Top
The internet, originally "ARPANET" began as a US defense contract:

Link

The site talks more about how Gore didn't invent the internet than the development of the internet, but way back in 1967 the US military was interested in a "networking system".

Cheers
Reply #81 Top
You said i used the Internet (WWW) everyday thanks to Americans because they "invented everything i use", FACT the WWW was invented by an Englishman. I don't use a 1967 US military system to access the WWW do i?

As you conveniently ignored this last time i will say it again: I know whose orders you are following Jeblackstar. I know which clique you are part of - did your master not dare challenge me himself or are you just trying to impress him?
Reply #82 Top
It is quite funny how one could have gotten so uptight about grammar, the Internet, and which nationality is right.. I personally think that it doesn't matter how the Internet got started. I'm just happy its even here. All nations are the same; the only thing that divides us are the distance and ignorance level our country has.
Reply #83 Top
You said i used the Internet (WWW) everyday thanks to Americans because they "invented everything i use",


I didn't, someone else did. The internet was developed by Americans, the World Wide Web was developed by an Englishman. So the Americans are the innovators, the British just meddle with things.

As you conveniently ignored this last time i will say it again: I know whose orders you are following Jeblackstar. I know which clique you are part of - did your master not dare challenge me himself or are you just trying to impress him?


I am part of no clique, fraud, I am my own master, and I challenge you myself. Your "famous ancestors" do not exist, your headlines do not exist, there is no missing persons report for your first wife, nor obituaries for any of your family members. Your "company" is chaired and CEOed by two Indian men. You are a fraud.

Cheers
Reply #84 Top
My company is privately owned and is based in the Cayman Islands. If you would like to contact the relevant authorities there then my company details will be readily available to you. Maybe you should search for the thread entitled Billionaires Website, all of my doubters admitted that they could not PROVE i was a "fraud"

You have no knowledge of how International business works, you only seem to know what you read on the internet. You spend hours searching for records of me and then you become aggressive because my lawyers have done such a good job in protecting me. You have not offered any proof that i am a "fraud" and even if i was why is it so important to you? I have made a big impact on your life whether you admit it or not - now why don't you go and search on google for me just one more time.

This started out as light hearted banter on my part but you have insulted me whilst i am grieving for my late wife, I will never forget this. I suggest that you offer proof i am a fraud (and that does actually mean proof not your opinion) or retract your accusation I have never defrauded anyone in my life and find this slander on my good name most serious.

General Sir Peter James Henry Maxwell IV

Reply #85 Top
So, what's next......what if brothers wanted to marry, would you be okay with that? Or what if brother and sister wanted to marry? What if a man wants to legally have sex with a 4 year old girl, is that okay as well? It is not merely a religious issue, but a social and cultural tradition/belief that has stood throughout all of history. Why should we allow something that was considered a mental disease just a few decades ago to be endorsed and promulgated in our society? Yes, gay marriage does "hurt" marriage. It redefines it for entire generations to come and pulls away from a standard of behavior and living that has existed ALWAYS. The problem is that the Gay and Lesbian community wants to argue from a "fairness" standpoint, but don't like the other side of the coin when it is applied logically. Homosexuality is not right just because a few decide to start accepting it. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Charles Manson thinks he is right......Hitler thought he was right......would you side with them as well?
Reply #86 Top
Mike - I don't particularly like poofters but you can't equate two grown men or women being in a relationship with an adult having sex with a 4 year old girl, that is ridiculous old chap
Reply #87 Top
Dear Mike,

How excactly does it offend your marriage? Is your wife having an affair with another woman? Is that why you are so bitter?

My dear man, you cannot compare two people in love with a man having sex with a four-year-old. Frankly, I don't give a damn about gender; I believe in loving a person. I cannot stand and don't see why some people would be as close-minded as you, to reject a population that is growing rapidly in our society today.

Oh, and about the Adolf Hitler/ Manson comment? That was a pathetic attempt to try and compare me with them.

Sincerely,

Sine Summer
Reply #88 Top
Mike - I don't particularly like poofters but you can't equate two grown men or women being in a relationship with an adult having sex with a 4 year old girl, that is ridiculous old chap


But animals have sex with their young, which means it's all natural.
Reply #89 Top
Were you being sarcastic, Super Baby?
Reply #90 Top
Well, I've seen my dog try to hump her children a number of times, and they are no older than 14 (in dog years).
Reply #91 Top
Oh wow... Well, I have never heard of an dog doing that.

I have heard, however, of primates in South America that have sex many times a day to relieve tension. ALL of those primates do it, from the oldest to the youngest, to each other. And what do you know? They all live in harmony too!
Reply #92 Top
Oh my, where to begin? First of all, this seems to have evolved into a petty argument about Scotland and England. Who cares? Can we please get back to the original article? I really enjoyed it and thought it had a lot of good points.

"So, what's next......what if brothers wanted to marry, would you be okay with that? Or what if brother and sister wanted to marry? What if a man wants to legally have sex with a 4 year old girl, is that okay as well?"

You, like many other people against gay marriage, argue that it will be a slippery slope by automatically allowing other types of controversial marriages. This is NOT TRUE!!!! Other types of marriages are outlawed for a reason. Polygamy is illegal because it detracts from the rights of the women and spreads STDs. Marrying relatives is illegal because it causes hemophilia. Marrying 4 year olds is illegal because they are not considered adults in society and because marriage is consensual. 4 year olds are not capable of making life long decisions. I'm sure you know this, so your attempt to compare this to same sex marriage is pathetic. The point is, a government is supposed to protect the rights of all of its citizens. As you can clearly see, the types of marriages listed above take away people's rights. Same sex marriage gives people rights. I'm trying to make this as clear as possible to be sure you understand.

"Yes, gay marriage does "hurt" marriage."

How in the world does same sex marriage hurt marriage????? It doesn't! How does allowing two people who truly love each other to have a life long legal committment, no matter what gender, actually hurt marriage? You don't really give any reasons except proceeding to talk about tradition:

"Why should we allow something that was considered a mental disease just a few decades ago to be endorsed and promulgated in our society?"

"It redefines it for entire generations to come and pulls away from a standard of behavior and living that has existed ALWAYS."


First of all, because homosexuality is NOT a mental 'disease'. And second, who cares if marriage has always been between men and women? Change is not always a bad thing. What is the US had decided to keep using slavery because it had existed 'always'? I know this example seems a bit extreme when compared to marriage, but basically what you're saying is that changing the status quo is always a bad thing, regardless of how morally wrong the status quo is. This is one of the HUGE problems with the issue of same sex marriage. The reason so many people are against it is not because they find the arguments logical. It's because they look down on gay people and are afraid of changing our culture and allowing them to be our equals.

"The problem is that the Gay and Lesbian community wants to argue from a "fairness" standpoint, but don't like the other side of the coin when it is applied logically. Homosexuality is not right just because a few decide to start accepting it. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Charles Manson thinks he is right......Hitler thought he was right......would you side with them as well?"

What logical arguments can you give that homosexuality is wrong? Of course they argue is from a fairness standpoint. Equality is important. Its one of the things the US is founded on. Remember, those opposing same sex marriage are just as unhappy when they see the other side of things (although I can't say I've actually heard any GOOD arguments against homosexuality). Of course homosexuality is not right just because some people accept it! Its right because gay people deserve the same rights and level of respect that we have. As for equating these views to Hitlers..... this is not about moral relativism, which is what you are trying to argue. Hitler and Charles Manson murdered people. That's morally wrong. What the heck is morally wrong with allowing same sex marriage. Its morally worng to NOT legalize it.

Please wake up and realize that gay people are people too and that they deserve the rights that we have. Allowing them to marry will not in any way affect existing marriage. Remember that even if it did come at a cost to society, governments are supposed to do what is morally right. Abolishing slavery came at a huge cost. It hurt the economy and caused a very bloody war. But does anyone look back and say that we should have left things the way they were just because people are afraid of change?

~Molly
Reply #93 Top

Caymans?  I'll look them up the next time I'm there.  However, since your name appears in none of the official records it should have appeared in, I think that's pretty safe to say I'm correct.  I mean, even the title of your upcoming music album is "owned" by a band that already released it, and owns the copyrights.

Back to topic however, if the idea that two loving people somehow hurt your relationship with another person, well, than clearly you've got a messed up relationship to begin with.  Homosexual couples hurt no one, nor is it proper to compare them with, A)nonconsensual sex with minors, or B)incestual sex.  The first is outlawed because it abuses a child, physically, mentally, and emotionally, and the second is outlawed because there is a serious possibility of really bad genetic effects.

Cheers

Reply #94 Top
You are a truly inspiring person. And your feelings on gay, and homosexuality are from the heart. I agree with you one-hundred percent on the topic at hand, and it is quite irritating to have to read close-minded comments such as the comparing the molesting of a four year old, and the union of two people in love no matter their gender. These absurd notions are quite proposterous and aggrivating. So my quote of the day to the close-minded people out there is "Get a life" ;)

~Claudia
Reply #95 Top
Who gives a shit......and yes aids is spread by homosexuals who like to take it in the back door, ish....no fudge on my dinger.
Reply #96 Top
It only took me all of 3 seconds to figure out peter is a fraud....Link As for this topic.....Stay out of my House/Bedroom, It's none of your business!
Reply #97 Top
Read the book of Leviticus and it directly states what i am saying.

Strange, I would have thought that the new testament was more important to christians than old testament. And in John 8,1-11, we have Jesus forgiving an alduterous woman. So which is more important for a christian: stoning the alduterous woman as the old Testament told or forgiving?
Reply #98 Top
Getting back to the Inventor of the Internet section of this article, it would appear Jeb and Maxwell share some accuracy.

As I understand it, a guy named Licklider (American) was largely responsible for the development of the precursor hardware infrastructure (ARPANET) while Tim Berners-Lee (British) was responsible for developing the software (HTTP) which runs the WWW.

They were both pioneers, neither of whom can legitimately claim to be the sole inventors of the internet.
Additionally, there were several others involved as well.
VES
Reply #99 Top
ARGH! I hate it when people use Leviticus' Laws of Purity as a reason why homosexuality is bad! Yes, I've read the Bible, so I do know what you are talking about with that argument. It says something along the lines of 'a man shall not lie with a man as with a woman'. I could go really in-depth about the Old Testament and Christianity and such, but instead I think I'll take the simpler route and look at this from a government's point of view. Remember that little thing called separation of church and state? There are other religions with views and laws about marriage. Mormons used to practice polgamy, but its now illegal. Just because Mormons think polygamy should be legal doesn't mean the government must make it legal. And so, just because SOME Christians think same sex marriage should be made illegal doesn't mean the government should make it that way.

In addition, (just to go a little more in-depth than I was originally planning to) why do you get to pick and choose which Laws of Purity we should all have to follow? Why should the government make it illegal for homosexuals to marry but have no laws about things like touching the skin of dead pigs (football would be illegal) or anything else? It angers me that Christians typically don't follow these laws, and yet use the law about homosexuality to show why it is 'wrong'.

~Molly
Reply #100 Top
In addition, (just to go a little more in-depth than I was originally planning to) why do you get to pick and choose which Laws of Purity we should all have to follow? Why should the government make it illegal for homosexuals to marry but have no laws about things like touching the skin of dead pigs (football would be illegal) or anything else?


He doesn't individually get to decide which laws we should all follow, though he can have an opinion and vote accordingly, just as you can. "We" (as the people, AND we as the government within the construct of a representative democracy) get to decide which laws we should all follow. It's a natural consequence that not every will be happy with that, or agree with that. That is the nature of individual diversity vs. collective well-being.

I am personally against laws that regulate sexual behavior between consenting adults. I also place less emphasis on the legal aspect of being married versus those that choose to live in a committed relationship. I'm slowing coming to the conclusion that the government should not be involved in promoting either by way of tax relief or funding.

VES