COL Gene COL Gene

Tax Cuts Create Deficits

Tax Cuts Create Deficits

Philadelphia Inquirer Editorial



Below is the Editorial today from the Philadelphia Inquirer titled, Tax Cuts and the Deficits which is 100 % in sink with the analysis I have included in my new book. In a nut shell, the Presidents former economic advisor, N. Gregory Mankiw admits that the NEW revenue generated from the Bush tax cuts have only provided 1/2 the revenue lost from the tax cuts and the other half have become part of the deficits. For those that claim the deficit is because of the added spending on hurricanes, terrorism and the War in Iraq. The Comptroller general, David Walker said only 1/3 of the growing deficit has been caused by that added spending.

In other words, the Bush Tax Cuts are driving America into debt that our children will pay for in the years to come! The sources of this analysis are the CBO and OMB. So please do not tell me it is some liberal conspiracy. What we have is just what Bush 41 said, Voodoo Economics. Another good reason to retire Senator Rick Santorum who supported the Bush Tax cuts including the $70 Billion raid on the treasury in early May.





Posted on Tue, May. 30, 2006



Tax Cuts and Deficits

Editorial | Bad math, slick politics: We'll pay, eventually


For the past five years, Congress and President Bush have been cutting taxes in the face of huge deficits, all the while peddling a math myth to the public.
Tax cuts won't make the deficits worse, they say. Tax cuts will stimulate so much economic growth that federal tax revenue will actually increase. Tax cuts, they are fond of saying, pay for themselves.
Actually, no. Economists of all stripes agree that federal tax cuts by themselves do not boost federal revenue back to the level before the cuts were enacted.
Tax cuts do boost economic activity. This growth does replace a portion of the revenue once generated by the eliminated taxes. But far from all. Very far. Researchers' estimates of this replacement effect vary from around 15 percent to 50 percent, depending on the type of tax cut and the prior rate.
Any responsible politician should know this, but polls persist in peddling the cozy myth. Sen. Rick Santorum (R., Pa.) played along earlier this month when Congress extended tax cuts on capital gains and dividend income for two years, at a cost to the federal treasury of $70 billion.
"We've put these tax provisions in place," Santorum said, "and they've raised money."
Even President Bush's former economic adviser, N. Gregory Mankiw, concedes that activity spurred by the capital gains tax cuts made up only about half of the lost revenue.
What do you call the other half? Under this administration, you call it "deficit."
Data from the president's own Office of Management and Budget refute the argument that tax cuts "pay for themselves." Over the past three years, with tax cuts in effect, federal revenue was $316 billion lower than OMB had predicted, in 2003, that it would have been without tax cuts.
The federal deficit this fiscal year is projected at more than $330 billion.
From 2001 to 2005, federal revenue fell at an average rate of 0.6 percent when adjusted for inflation and population growth, according to the left-leaning think tank Center on Budget and Policy Priorities in Washington.
Some Republican lawmakers point out that tax receipts through April were up about $137 billion, or 11 percent, compared with the same period last year. Credit tax cuts for some of that, if you want, but be aware that national economies are complex creatures that grow or shrink based on dozens of factors, of which tax rates are only one. Inflation, too, could partly explain it.
But that increase still is not nearly enough to offset recent losses to the federal coffers. Nor do the White House's own projections expect deficits to end anytime soon.
Again, the key point: No matter what you've been repeatedly told, an improved economy does not generate all the tax revenue that was lost due to cutting federal taxes in the first place. The evidence proving this basic point has been piling up since Ronald Reagan's tenure, but many tax-cut fans still won't admit it. Why? Because the pay-for-themselves theory was never based on fiscal evidence. It was a theology, a faith-based system defended all the more strenuously because of that.
(A side point: Tax cuts can come much closer to paying for themselves on a local stage, in a city such as Philadelphia, where comparatively high taxes really do discourage investment, and those seeking to escape those taxes do not have to leave the nation but merely take a step across City Avenue.)
The federal tax-cut mythology wouldn't have such dire consequences, if Congress and the president reduced federal spending in line with the lower revenues.
Since Reagan, that draconian balancing act has been the goal of some conservatives bent on cutting the social programs that always have irritated them.
Trouble is, that plan hasn't worked. In five-plus years of almost total domination of Washington by the self-described "conservatives" of the White House and Capitol Hill, federal spending has increased about 29 percent, even as tax cuts drained the Treasury.
And, no, not all that spending is due to hurricanes, terrorism and wars. (Let's not even get into the point that the wildly costly Iraq War was a choice, not a necessity.) David Walker, comptroller-general of the United States, says only about a third of the stated deficit can be traced to those causes.
Remember those golden days of the 2000 presidential campaign when the big issue was how to spend the roughly $5.6 trillion in federal surpluses projected for this decade?
Instead, surpluses turned to deficits, with a vengeance, once the Bush tax cuts went into effect. During the Bush years, the national debt has soared from $5.8 trillion to more than $8.3 trillion.
Why haven't the Republican powers inside the Beltway cut government more? Well, some of them were too busy throwing government money at the corporate friends who keep them in power and get them onto all the nice golf courses.
But the bigger reason is that every time budget-cutters hover their ax over any of the middle-class benefits where the big money flows, voters scream bloody murder.
Turns out people really like most of what big government provides.
They like the help with J.J.'s college tuition, and with Grandma's nursing home bills and prescription drugs. They like having a teaching hospital full of brilliant doctors and expensive equipment nearby. They demand a strong national defense and better homeland security. And they are really, really fond of the tax deduction for their home mortgage interest.
Taxpayers are human. They like a good deal. If politicians tell them they can get all the government benefits they secretly love at a discounted price, they'll cheer.
And, as some genuine fiscal conservatives are ruefully coming to realize, people who are getting government at what feels like a discounted price (i.e. lower taxes) aren't going to clamor for less government. They're going to clamor for more, for benefits like a prescription drug benefit that Medicare has no idea how to pay for.
But, in fact, these government benefits aren't really being bought at a discount. They're being bought with reckless borrowing. They'll get paid for, all right, but the payment will come down the road in higher taxes, higher interest rates and economic anxiety.
Tax cuts pay for themselves? That's just an irresponsible alibi for making our children and grandchildren pay for our self-indulgent little party.
29,496 views 122 replies
Reply #51 Top
"That is what the Bush tax cuts are doing. Because about half of the total dollars flow to 5% that do not SPEND the added disposable funds they receive from the tax cuts, it does not stimulate the economy enough to replace the loss in revenue from the tax cuts"


And there is the farce of the Leftist anti-rich dogma. Do you think the wealthy keep their money in their mattress? Where is it, do you think?

It is at work in the economy even when they aren't spending it. It is in the bank, being loaned to you and me to fund businesses or buy high-dollar items we couldn't afford to pay cash for. It is in investments in companies that create new items that people will have demand for.

Whereever it is, it isn't locked up in the government bureaucracy or being sent to other countries in a handout. It isn't being sent to welfare leeches to be spent on low-dollar items made in China that don't do a thing to stimulate growth here.

Your first paragraph shows how shortsighted and sad Leftist dogma in the US is. Innovation doesn't create demand, says you, it creates growth. What does growth create? What happens to a society that continually grows, but its economy doesn't?

Without new products there won't be any new demand. It is convenient for you to demand that a change in policy create demand TODAY, with people buying the same old products in the same old businesses. That isn't what these tax cuts are about, and you aren't capable of understanding that.

Someone of your ilk would have looked at Microsoft in the early years and demanded that they be taxed into oblivion, never realizing the immense wing of the economy they would spur in the next 20 years. You can't see that a corporation like Microsoft, making a simple operating system, enables other companies to make add-on hardware, games, software, entertainment appliances, and on and on and on. You just see what you consider to be too much profit.

So, your argument is silly, frankly. You are just one of those Dickens-esque people who pretend that the rich wear monocles and have canes and sleep on a big pile of money used to light cigars. In reality you just bite the hand that feeds you. The wealthy are the tank that stores the fuel our economy runs on, and the government is that SUV that gets 5 miles per gallon.

You can pretend you are taking from the rick and giving to all of us, but what you are really doing is stealing innovation, productivity, and enterpeneurship from your culture and feeding corruption, malfeasance and waste.
Reply #52 Top
Col, do you want income redistribution? I notice you always ignore this, and don't start with your "the rich can afford it" bs, just answer the question.
Reply #53 Top
What bothers me about this whole line of reasoning is that it really just boils down to: "I want to spend more money than I have, so I'm totally justified in finding people with more money and making them give it to me".

That's all Gene is really saying. He wants the government to spend more money. He knows that rich people have more money. He thinks that it's proper for the government to fund its spending habits by taking more money from rich people.

I disagree with this.
Reply #54 Top
That's it exactly. Like I said, I don't believe for one second that col cares about everything he complains about in this thread. He just wants to find an excuse to tax successful people and redistribute income.
Reply #55 Top
Bakerstreet

If it were working the new tax revenue from the growth created by the tax cuts would equal the lost as revenue and there would not be a problem. The President's Economic Advisor and the Comptroller General (Head of GAO) are telling us that the tax cuts are ADDING to the deficit and there data comes from OMB and CBO. You do not want to listen to the MOST knowledgeable members of the administration on the economic impact of the Bush Tax Cuts. Tell me you know more then these two men and the data from these two agencies the OMB is part of the Executive Branch and CBO the legislative branch.

This is also what I have been saying and explain in my book. You are amazing—No matter what evidence or expert opinion is presented, you support Bush no matter what! Bush supports the tax cuts for political reasons not because they make economic sense. Bush either ignores what he was taught in Business School and did not learn very much. After communicating with his economics professor at Harvard, it may be a bit of both!
Reply #56 Top
IslandDog

I want the BALANCE the Budget and that will take a combination of Cutting Spending, More Rigorous Enforcement of the Tax Laws and Increased Tax Revenue from those that can afford to pay a little more--The Rich!
Reply #57 Top
Col: You are the one that is amazing. The situation is so simple, and you refuse to see it. You are saying that since we are spending more than we bring in, we should ask more of our neighbors. Any rational human being would cut spending and not do further harm to economy.

Doctors used to use leeches to help the sick. You are applying more leeches to an economy that is already being bled dry by taxation. The leeches demand more and more, and you would rather feed the leeches and see the patient die. We are not food for the leeches, Col, they serve us.

You've completely lost track of what democracy means, and the purpose of government. To you, we are here to serve government, our labor is just revenue for the government. We are not here to be run-over by a corrupt congress who demands more money every time they squander what we've given them.

You are a tool for corrupt people, demanding more money for them. Your constant lying and bending the truth is nothing compared to the damage you do diverting people from the real villains, on both sides of the aisle, who steal our money and rob us of freedom. In so doing you are an enemy of that freedom, imho.
Reply #58 Top
I want the BALANCE the Budget and that will take a combination of Cutting Spending, More Rigorous Enforcement of the Tax Laws and Increased Tax Revenue from those that can afford to pay a little more--The Rich!


I see you still can't answer the questions that are addressed to you. You are in no position to tell anyone how much they can afford.

This is also what I have been saying and explain in my book. You are amazing—No matter what evidence or expert opinion is presented, you support Bush no matter what!


Nobody cares about your book col. Do you understand that?

Col, how many times have we presented "evidence" and "proof" that your theories are bs, and you just conveniently end the thread, or start a new one. What a hypocrit.
Reply #59 Top
Bakerstreet

What I am asking is that when our representatives in Congress and the White House pass a budget to spend a certain amount of money that they pass taxes that PAY for that same amount of spending.
Reply #60 Top
IslandDog


You are saying the President’s Economic Advisor and the Comptroller General of the United States as well as the CBO and OMB do not what they are talking about? You are a piece of work!


Reply #61 Top
No, you aren't questioning how much they spend, Col. You are giving them a blank check and then telling your neighbors they have to pay for your political carelessness.

I'm still laughing about #55. My high school economics teacher also told me that spending more than I have is a bad thing. She was pretty knowledgable, too. I don't recall the answer to that problem being demanding the extra money from my neighbors, though.
Reply #62 Top
No matter what evidence or expert opinion is presented, you support Bush no matter what! Bush supports the tax cuts for political reasons not because they make economic sense.


Wow, this discussion has spiralled back to Bush. Go figure. As I said before, this discussion is not about George W., as much as you'd like it to be. This discussion is about basic macroeconomics, with a little Congressional oversight thrown in for flavor.

Bush doesn't set fiscal budgets; he signs them. His advisors tell him whether to sign them or not. You want to wag a finger, wag away... at Congress. Pork-Barrel spending; gross fraud, waste, and abuse of public funds; and a bloated bureaucracy... that's what keeps the budget from being balanced. You claim that you'd like to see more money flowing towards Washington; I say let's spend the money we already have wisely.

Let's get back more than that 50 cent return that you keep yammering on about.
Reply #63 Top
Both Congress and the President are responsible for the spending levels and the tax structure. I agree that we are spending more then I would like but I also know that these is NOTHING close to $600 Billion that can or will be cut from the Federal budget What Bush and Congress have done in increased spending while at the same time CUT the federal revenue with tax cuts. You are right it does not take an MBA from Harvard or the many degree's that members of Congress hold to know that will guarantee that the country will spend more then it receives in tax revenue. This is the very same thing that Reagan did in 1981 with the VERY SAME RESULT. Bush 41 had the correct term-- Voodoo Economics.

One more time, When Congress and the President agree on how much will be spent, even if some of you on JoeUser do not agree with that amount of spending, we need to pass taxes that will PAY for the spending Congress and the President approve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply #64 Top
The budget is 2.2 trillion dollars, Col. If you don't think you could cut around 27% of that you are either as inept or corrupt as Congress itself and would just make the problem worse. Monkeys could see through this, Col.
Reply #65 Top
Bakerstreet

The budget is 2.568 Trillion in 2006 and proposed 2.656 Trillion for 2007. Most of that amount is non discretionary or national defense. No there is no 27% or anything close to be cut. If you could cut ALL the Pork and some other programs, you might get $70-80 Billion. Last year we were $620 Billion out of balance. If we would tighten up on collections, articles I read said there might be another $200 Billion in added tax collections. That means we are still about $320 Billion out of balance.

Most of the budget is mandated spending or entitlement programs. The largest non mandated spending is DOD which may as well be mandated in today’s world. The interest will approach $380 Billion next year heading to $500 Billion by 2010. That too is mandated.
Reply #66 Top
You are so full of crap, Col. You know as well as anyone that they tuck millions of dollars in totally unrelated crap in these budgets, "non-discretionary" or not. 70 or 80 billion is a drop in the bucket. There were 15,000+ earmarks in the last budget alone, much of it going straight to the pet projects of lobbyists.

In addition, think about what you mean when you talk about the holiest of holies "Defense". Would you consider a 1 million dollar civil war museum 'national defense'? Or a 2 million dollar park in San Francisco. How about another 2 million for an aviation museum in Seattle? 4.4 million for a technology center, and on and on and on, all under the guise of "Defense". There isn't a block of money in our budget that isn't riddled with that kind of waste.

What about waste? Shall we discuss the deal where we leased dozens of 747's, converted them to tanker planes, and ended up paying several billion more for them than we would had we bought them outright? Did you know that there was no money alloted to do that at all, and no one on the arms committee ever okayed the deal? Do you recall how FEMA ended up paying more to lease, in the 7 figure range, for items that cost much less just to buy? How much do you think that would add up to if you counted ALL of katrina. All of the natural disasters they handle?

The fact is, Col, when you talk about the budget you are looking at your little chart, and pretending that everything in that line called "Defense" is really going to defense. You look at that mostrous 'health and human services' line and pretend we can't touch any of it, when lobbyists are milking it for all it is worth.

Either you don't know what you are talking about, or you are patently dishonest. We could cut a double digit percentage of the budget without anyone ever noticing other than the cronies. We could cut the deficit completely with ease. You're just as dishonest as the people in Washington when you pretend that all this 'untouchable' money goes untouched.
Reply #67 Top
you look at the 2005 Budget the Total Discretionary spending (The only portion of the budget that could be cut) is as follows:

DoD 400 Billion
Iraq/Afghanistan wars 114
_____
Defense total 514
Homeland Security 31
All Other Govt. 391
_____
Total 823 Billion

Where would you cut $620 Billion from the above to balance the budget?



Reply #68 Top
You don't listen, Col. You aren't seeing what is really spent. Those tanker planes weren't listed as discretionary spending, and weren't even approved. You are being facetious if you believe that nothing outside of discretionary spending could be cut. Congress has the power to cut any damn thing they like when the create the budget.

What you are talking about is what they are supposedly not supposed to monkey with AFTER the budget has been finalized. Surprise, they monkey with that, too, as do the agencies in question. You aren't this naive.

If the federal government was scaled back to levels it should have never passed, and the waste was expunged, our budget wouldn't be a trillion dollars. You are a mouthpiece for the corrupt, Col., why bother? People see through it.
Reply #69 Top
Bakerstreet

All you say about how the Fed spends is correct however, all that spending is discretionary. The FEMA, the DOD etc. Bush has been keeping the money spent in Iraq as a supplemental. That was the 114 Billion. However, the ACTUAL amount spent in 2005 was $620 Billion more then we taxed. The fact remains that MOST of the ACTUAL SPENDING is not discretionary spending and is required predicated of commitments such as the interest on the debt, pensions.

There is NO way to cut anything close to the of $620 Billion imbalance in the budget. We should NOT continue tax cuts that generate only 1/2 the amount of the lost tax revenue from economic growth created by the tax cuts. That is the point of this Blog. If the Bush tax cuts replaced the lost tax revenue they would not help the economy either but at least they would NOT be ADDING to the DEBT.
Reply #70 Top
No, no, no. They abuse non-discretionary spending all the time, and what you fail to see is that once it goes to these departments, THEY spend it in a slipshod, discretionary manner. Money is reallocated under the table constantly. When they can't, they just spend it anyway and let the people who pay the bills worry about it.

You can keep saying that we can't cut less than 30% out of the budget, but I don't believe you'll find one out of ten people in the US that would agree with you. You can't fool us. We know exactly what kind of waste goes on, and we know exactly what kind of pork is passed around.

In addition there are a great many of us who feel that a lot of these programs could go, discretionary or not. That's less popular, I realize that, but I still assert that you could get the deficit taken care of and still not gut any major program.
Reply #71 Top
Bakerstreet

You do not seem to grasp that the ONLY portion of the budget that can be cut is the $823 Billion of discretionary spending of which $515 Billion is defense and about $309 billion is for ALL other departments of the Government-- Justice, Health, Transportation, etc. After you take out Defense from the discretionary spending you only have 1/2 the annual deficit if you eliminated ALL other departments of the government.

The balance of the budget is promises like payment of the interest on the debt, pensions and Medicaid. Next year we will pay about $380 Billion in interest and by 2010 the interest will be $500 Billion. If we did not have a national debt and were not in Iraq we might be able to come close to balancing the budget. However, you and I may not like some of the obligations the government has made which does not mean we can ignore them by just cutting the money from that budget that pays for those promises. As I said the nothing close that can be cut from that portion of the budget that COULD BE cut that will come even close to $620 Billion!
Reply #72 Top
I don't how more simple Baker can explain it to you col. You are either completely ignoring what he is saying, or you truely don't understand. Probably both.
Reply #73 Top
That's not true, Col. The next budget can dig into anything it likes. There's no reason to believe that the Congress can't amend past budgets. You can't be trying to pass off the idea that once the Congress allots x amount of money in a budget for the Spanish American war that they can't amend that once the war is over.

We can most certainly tweak as many of these programs as we like, and make more draconian standards as to how the money can be spent WITHIN these programs. There's also a level of enforcement that can be imposed AFTER the budget is cemented to make sure that the money goes where it is supposed to, and not for museums being passed off as national defense.

I see in your posts the same tired excuses that we get from Dems every year. They slip through a bunch of crap one year, and then pretend it isn't untouchable the next. If we want to completely gut social welfare we can if we have the approval of the people of the US. You just want to tell us that once they slip bullshit past us we can't ever mess with it again.

By that rationale, you don't need to be messing with the tax cuts until the alloted time to rethink them, i.e. 2009 if I am not mistaken. If you are trying to pretend that we can't go back in and fix corrupt acts during a budget, then you need to lay off and leave the tax cuts until the alloted time to amend them.
Reply #74 Top
Bakerstreet

You do not seem to grasp that the ONLY portion of the budget that can be cut is the $823 Billion of discretionary spending of which $515 Billion is defense and about $309 billion is for ALL other departments of the Government-- Justice, Health, Transportation, etc. After you take out Defense from the discretionary spending you only have 1/2 the annual deficit if you eliminated ALL other departments of the government.

The balance of the budget is promises like payment of the interest on the debt, pensions and Medicaid. Next year we will pay about $380 Billion in interest and by 2010 the interest will be $500 Billion. If we did not have a national debt and were not in Iraq we might be able to come close to balancing the budget. However, you and I may not like some of the obligations the government has made which does not mean we can ignore them by just cutting the money from that budget that pays for those promises. As I said the nothing close that can be cut from that portion of the budget that COULD BE cut that will come even close to $620 Billion!


Col, are you truly as moronic and stupid as you seem to be? Or are you just play-acting? I am seriously tired of calling you to account. Even when you are shown to be wrong in black and white evidence you usually just ignore it. You seem to think that "only" your word carries any weight and that the rest of us are to stupid to understand the truth. Christ, half the time your spelling and grammar are only on a 5th grade level.

Blink....new thread!
Reply #75 Top
The only way to cut beyond the discretionary expenditures is for the Fed to renege on promises it has made. It could say for example, we will cut the $380 Billion in interest and not pay the interest on the bonds we have issued. What you do not grasp is that neither Congress nor the majority will allow the Government to go back on the commitments it has made. Those include Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Thus what you are saying is the same old conservative BS that all we need do is cut all the things that the Government has promised to the VAST MAJORITY of Americans so the FEW can have their GOOD LIFE. THAT WILL NOT happens and if any Congress and or President tried that they will find themselves OUT OF OFFICE at the very next election.

We need to keep the promises we have made and have the courage to understand that the tax cuts to the wealthy are NOT growing the economy enough to replace the tax revenue lost from the cuts. That is what this Blog is about and the facts are clear. Bush and the GOP screwed up and we need to fix the tax structure. He told us that there was this $5.7 Trillion Surplus and that was the reason for his tax cuts. There was NO surplus and thus no justification for those tax cuts. Greenspan and O’Neil both told Bush that the tax cuts should be TIED to the surplus with which to pay for them and to NOT RETURN to Annual Budget Deficits. They knew what they were talking about and as usual Bush did what was politically the way he wanted to go and the HELL with the adverse impact on our country!