Tax Cuts Create Deficits

Philadelphia Inquirer Editorial



Below is the Editorial today from the Philadelphia Inquirer titled, Tax Cuts and the Deficits which is 100 % in sink with the analysis I have included in my new book. In a nut shell, the Presidents former economic advisor, N. Gregory Mankiw admits that the NEW revenue generated from the Bush tax cuts have only provided 1/2 the revenue lost from the tax cuts and the other half have become part of the deficits. For those that claim the deficit is because of the added spending on hurricanes, terrorism and the War in Iraq. The Comptroller general, David Walker said only 1/3 of the growing deficit has been caused by that added spending.

In other words, the Bush Tax Cuts are driving America into debt that our children will pay for in the years to come! The sources of this analysis are the CBO and OMB. So please do not tell me it is some liberal conspiracy. What we have is just what Bush 41 said, Voodoo Economics. Another good reason to retire Senator Rick Santorum who supported the Bush Tax cuts including the $70 Billion raid on the treasury in early May.





Posted on Tue, May. 30, 2006



Tax Cuts and Deficits

Editorial | Bad math, slick politics: We'll pay, eventually


For the past five years, Congress and President Bush have been cutting taxes in the face of huge deficits, all the while peddling a math myth to the public.
Tax cuts won't make the deficits worse, they say. Tax cuts will stimulate so much economic growth that federal tax revenue will actually increase. Tax cuts, they are fond of saying, pay for themselves.
Actually, no. Economists of all stripes agree that federal tax cuts by themselves do not boost federal revenue back to the level before the cuts were enacted.
Tax cuts do boost economic activity. This growth does replace a portion of the revenue once generated by the eliminated taxes. But far from all. Very far. Researchers' estimates of this replacement effect vary from around 15 percent to 50 percent, depending on the type of tax cut and the prior rate.
Any responsible politician should know this, but polls persist in peddling the cozy myth. Sen. Rick Santorum (R., Pa.) played along earlier this month when Congress extended tax cuts on capital gains and dividend income for two years, at a cost to the federal treasury of $70 billion.
"We've put these tax provisions in place," Santorum said, "and they've raised money."
Even President Bush's former economic adviser, N. Gregory Mankiw, concedes that activity spurred by the capital gains tax cuts made up only about half of the lost revenue.
What do you call the other half? Under this administration, you call it "deficit."
Data from the president's own Office of Management and Budget refute the argument that tax cuts "pay for themselves." Over the past three years, with tax cuts in effect, federal revenue was $316 billion lower than OMB had predicted, in 2003, that it would have been without tax cuts.
The federal deficit this fiscal year is projected at more than $330 billion.
From 2001 to 2005, federal revenue fell at an average rate of 0.6 percent when adjusted for inflation and population growth, according to the left-leaning think tank Center on Budget and Policy Priorities in Washington.
Some Republican lawmakers point out that tax receipts through April were up about $137 billion, or 11 percent, compared with the same period last year. Credit tax cuts for some of that, if you want, but be aware that national economies are complex creatures that grow or shrink based on dozens of factors, of which tax rates are only one. Inflation, too, could partly explain it.
But that increase still is not nearly enough to offset recent losses to the federal coffers. Nor do the White House's own projections expect deficits to end anytime soon.
Again, the key point: No matter what you've been repeatedly told, an improved economy does not generate all the tax revenue that was lost due to cutting federal taxes in the first place. The evidence proving this basic point has been piling up since Ronald Reagan's tenure, but many tax-cut fans still won't admit it. Why? Because the pay-for-themselves theory was never based on fiscal evidence. It was a theology, a faith-based system defended all the more strenuously because of that.
(A side point: Tax cuts can come much closer to paying for themselves on a local stage, in a city such as Philadelphia, where comparatively high taxes really do discourage investment, and those seeking to escape those taxes do not have to leave the nation but merely take a step across City Avenue.)
The federal tax-cut mythology wouldn't have such dire consequences, if Congress and the president reduced federal spending in line with the lower revenues.
Since Reagan, that draconian balancing act has been the goal of some conservatives bent on cutting the social programs that always have irritated them.
Trouble is, that plan hasn't worked. In five-plus years of almost total domination of Washington by the self-described "conservatives" of the White House and Capitol Hill, federal spending has increased about 29 percent, even as tax cuts drained the Treasury.
And, no, not all that spending is due to hurricanes, terrorism and wars. (Let's not even get into the point that the wildly costly Iraq War was a choice, not a necessity.) David Walker, comptroller-general of the United States, says only about a third of the stated deficit can be traced to those causes.
Remember those golden days of the 2000 presidential campaign when the big issue was how to spend the roughly $5.6 trillion in federal surpluses projected for this decade?
Instead, surpluses turned to deficits, with a vengeance, once the Bush tax cuts went into effect. During the Bush years, the national debt has soared from $5.8 trillion to more than $8.3 trillion.
Why haven't the Republican powers inside the Beltway cut government more? Well, some of them were too busy throwing government money at the corporate friends who keep them in power and get them onto all the nice golf courses.
But the bigger reason is that every time budget-cutters hover their ax over any of the middle-class benefits where the big money flows, voters scream bloody murder.
Turns out people really like most of what big government provides.
They like the help with J.J.'s college tuition, and with Grandma's nursing home bills and prescription drugs. They like having a teaching hospital full of brilliant doctors and expensive equipment nearby. They demand a strong national defense and better homeland security. And they are really, really fond of the tax deduction for their home mortgage interest.
Taxpayers are human. They like a good deal. If politicians tell them they can get all the government benefits they secretly love at a discounted price, they'll cheer.
And, as some genuine fiscal conservatives are ruefully coming to realize, people who are getting government at what feels like a discounted price (i.e. lower taxes) aren't going to clamor for less government. They're going to clamor for more, for benefits like a prescription drug benefit that Medicare has no idea how to pay for.
But, in fact, these government benefits aren't really being bought at a discount. They're being bought with reckless borrowing. They'll get paid for, all right, but the payment will come down the road in higher taxes, higher interest rates and economic anxiety.
Tax cuts pay for themselves? That's just an irresponsible alibi for making our children and grandchildren pay for our self-indulgent little party.
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Reply #1 Top
Col, why is it you start another thread when you are being proved wrong in another one. Is this a way to get out of answering in the other one?

Below is the Editorial today from the Philadelphia Inquirer titled, Tax Cuts and the Deficits which is 100 % in sink with the analysis I have included in my new book.


How long has your "new" book been on the top seller list at Amazon col?
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Let's elect Hillary. She will certainly know what do with out tax money.
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Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100.
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh $7.
The eighth $12.
The ninth $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20." So, now dinner for the ten only cost $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So, the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six, the paying customers?
How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share'?

The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being 'PAID' to eat their meal. So, the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings). The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man "but he got $10!" "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than me!" "That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!" "Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night the tenth man didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore. There are lots of good restaurants in Europe and the Caribbean.
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IIslandDog

Cute Story. However you are confused. There is no $20 Dollars to give back. The restaurant owner is running a $20 deficit per meal. He is loosing money on feeding this group. The Bush solution would be to CUT his prices so rather then loosing $20 on each meal he looses $40 per meal. They distribute the reduced price in this story so that the man paying the most gets the largest price reduction. Just like the Bush Tax Cuts! The Bottom line is however, the restaurant soon goes out of business and NO ONE EATS!

My Book was just released and I hope some people will read it to learn what Bush and the conservatives are doing to our great country! Unlike many people that JUST bash what Bush and the GOP is doing, I have compiled a series of proposals to deal more effectively with the issues facing our country. These suggestions are predicated on the input from many knowledgeable sources as well as my own corporate experience that spans both the profit and non profit sectors. Before you pan what I have written, please take a day and read my book. It is written for the average person to understand and I sight the sources I used within the text rather then the more formal footnote style.

Go to www.saveusanow.com.
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What a terrible website. I love how you take a joke and use it as a quote. How pathetic.


My Book was just released and I hope some people will read it to learn what Bush and the conservatives are doing to our great country!


Will you write a book and tell us how the liberals will destroy this country also, col?


Before you pan what I have written, please take a day and read my book. It is written for the average person to understand and I sight the sources I used within the text rather then the more formal footnote style.


Col, if it's anything like your posts, I'm sure it's full of mis-quotes, half-truths, and constant "blame Bush and nobody else" rhetoric, and your sources are suspicious at best. Dan Rather?

What a sad life that you devote so much time to hating one person who has done nothing to you.
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The restaurant owner is running a $20 deficit per meal.


deficit:A budget deficit occurs when an entity (often a government) spends more money than it takes in.

Just in case you don't know the meaning Col. Let me take what you just said and explain how much of an idiot you are. You don't know how much in deficit the owner of the restaurant is in because you don't know how much money he is making over what he paid for for the groceries to make the meal. Let me explain:

If the owner of the restaurant spent $50 in the ingredients to make the meals for the 10 men and then turned and sold it for $100 he made a $50 profit. But if he decided to be nice to his best customers and gives them a $20 discount, he is still making a $30 profit. That is not a decifit you moron. For a person who works in business you really suck at numbers. Nice try though, I suggest you go back to school and brush up on math problems.
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CharlesC

What an idiot you are. I know it is the total business activity and what I was trying to show that is if the owner replicates this with ALL his customers he will go bankrupt. A smart owner that is running a deficit on a transaction would not tend to lower the price on that transaction and experience an even bigger loss. He would try and cut costs and or increase prices. It is possible the owner was using this as a loss leader but he can not have all his customers as loss leaders.

I case you have not noticed the TOTAL of our government is spending about $600 billion per year MORE then we collect in tax revenue. The point of this editorial and my Blog is that the NET impact of the tax cuts lowers the Federal Tax Revenue by $1.00 and only returns $.50 from increased economic activity. Thus the tax cuts passed earlier this month that total $70 Billion add $35 Billion MORE to the deficit!

If you were in investor and bought a stock for $100 per share and then sold it for $50 per share, would you be pleased with your choice? If your monthly expenses were $2,000 and your income was $1,200 per month would you quit your full time job and take a part time job and lower your monthly income to $1,000 per month?
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What an idiot you are. I know it is the total business activity and what I was trying to show that is if the owner replicates this with ALL his customers he will go bankrupt. A smart owner that is running a deficit on a transaction would not tend to lower the price on that transaction and experience an even bigger loss. He would try and cut costs and or increase prices. It is possible the owner was using this as a loss leader but he can not have all his customers as loss leaders.


THE ONLY REAL IDIOT HERE IS YOU CASUE THE OWNER WOULD STILL NEVER BE INDEFICIT CAUSE HE IS STILL ABOVE WHAT HE SPENT ON THE MATERIALS YOU MORON. BESIDES THIS STORY SPEAK ONLY OF THE 10 CUSTOMERS IN PARTICULAR, NOT EVERYONE WHO WENT THERE TO EAT. RESTAURANT OWNERS DON'T GIVE $20 DISCOUNTS TO ALL THEIR CUSTOMERS EVERYDAY. YOU ARE A MORON TO EVEN CONSIDER THAT. GOD HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU CLAIM TO HAVE BUSINESS EXPERIENCE WHEN YOU MATH AND YOU BRAIN SUCK.
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If you were in investor and bought a stock for $100 per share and then sold it for $50 per share, would you be pleased with your choice?

Only if it meant I could blame George W. Bush for it.

Good luck with your book, Gene. Hope you sell more than five copies.
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Charles C.

Forget the little story. Focus on the Editorial and my Blog. The Tax Cuts are driving this country into DEBT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you grasp that simple reality?
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Forget the little story. Focus on the Editorial and my Blog. The Tax Cuts are driving this country into DEBT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you grasp that simple reality?


You need realize that it is the over spending that is putting us in debt. We need to stop wasting so much money on so much stupidity. Tax cuts only showed just how much money if being spent uselessly.

I love it how you say "forget the little story", sure that's what you are good at, ignoring anything tha contradicts you. You should be ashamed of yourself for ignoring other peoples ideas and only focusing on yours and expecting everyone else to follow you. Why don't you learn how to debate before you keep wasting our time here.
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Charles C

I said forget the little story because you focus on the story rather then the issue at hand. You are correct we are spending too much but the deficit will not be resolved by simply cutting spending. The imbalance is beyond where just reducing spending will bridge a $600 Billion dollar problem. You also ignore the issue at hand that is that tax cuts ARE NOT producing the ADDED revenue to equal the lost tax revenue. Thus to solve the problem and BALANCE our expenditures with our income we need to increase taxes, cut spending and insure we collect the taxes due the government under existing law. EVERY one of those is the responsibility of Bush and the Congress and NEITHER is doing their job!!!!
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Blah blah blah, reducing spending will eventually correct the deficit. It is because of our ignorance that the Gov't has done what it has done, we are responsible and should pay for it. If we reduce spending, eventually the deficit should balance out. I don't want to pay more taxes, it enough with what I give already. If they can't learn to spend it wisely than they don't deserve more. So the hell with your idea.
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CharlesCYou have not looked at what makes up the Federal spending. When you look at what is mandated (pensions, Interest on the National Debt and other promises the Government has made) or essential (Defense & operation of essential government agencies for example) the actual spending that could be cut is much less then $600 billion annual deficit. There is most likely between $50 -75 Billion you would be able to cut before getting into essential services or obligations we can not cut. There is, from the reports I have read, another $300 Billion in tax revenue that escapes collection but I doubt that we could ever collect it all plus there is the added cost of enforcement. Thus if we could collect NET $200 billion that escapes collection today and another $75 Billion in acceptable spending cuts, we are still over $300 Billion out of balance and to begin repaying the $8.3 Trillion of existing debt would require even more money. The $600 Billion only stops increasing the debt it does not provide the money to begin repaying the existing National Debt. Anyone the claims that the budget can be balanced with JUST spending cuts does not understand the obligations of the Government or the real nature of government spending. We spend over $25 Billion on Foreign Aid and would not be able to cut that money. We spend over $140 Billion on Medicaid. That too could not be cut given the number of people without health care and the growing number of poor and low income Americans.
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Take a look at the budget and see where the Federal money is spent:

http://www.federalbudget.com/
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Let's cut welfare and tax the poor.
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"Tax Cuts Create Deficits"


...when you ignore the Congress and let them waste billions of dollars because you have an irrational hatred of the President and spend your time distracting people from the real waste. (and that goes for both parties when the President is of the opposite one...)

" Take a look at the budget and see where the Federal money is spent:"


That only works if you consider that money designated for a lot of that is earmarked and sent back as pork to the pet projects of Congress.
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Tax cuts can't produce deficits by definition.

Spending more than one has creates deficits. The government should cut spending.

I will probably pay more this year in taxes than most people earn in a lifetime. Those taxes will largely be wasted.  Had I kept the money, I would have been able to create more jobs, more opportunity.  Next time JoeUser.com is down or slow, imagine to yourself what could be done if I could afford to hire another full time IT person or database administrator. High taxes on the "wealthy" affect you whether you realize it or not.

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"Tax Cuts Create Deficits"

It's an easy, lazy-man's assertion that cutting taxes create deficits, since there is less money coming into government coffers. "But if we cut taxes, how will people eat?" is the vapid celebrity reaction to cutting taxes.

But by cutting taxes, I have more money to spend on things I need to do: getting the car fixed, cutting up my credit cards, feeding my family, maybe a vacation this summer. And all those things on which I spend my money will enrich the service providers, thus employing other people who can then turn around and pay their bills.

For a self-professed MBA, how come you don't seem to get this. Even I get this, and I'm just a lowly liberal ed diplomacy major.

For the record, this isn't about Bush. I'm not defending Bush. I'm defending sound economic principles that transcend political stripe. If a Democrat proposed the same tax cuts (however unlikely that may be), I would go to bat for them too.
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I will probably pay more this year in taxes than most people earn in a lifetime. Those taxes will largely be wasted. Had I kept the money, I would have been able to create more jobs, more opportunity. Next time JoeUser.com is down or slow, imagine to yourself what could be done if I could afford to hire another full time IT person or database administrator. High taxes on the "wealthy" affect you whether you realize it or not.


Can you banish the Clueless One and tax away his bandwidth so it can be used by some more deserving liberal soul? Perhaps that would be a great example of what his preaching would really lead to
Reply #21 Top
singrdave

First, my assertion is backed up by the facts. As this Blog states the data came from Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and Congressional Budget Office (CBO). This situation has been stated by both the Former Economic Advisor to the President and The Comptroller General of the United States. I am not a self professed MBA I have the Degree from Lehigh University.

If you have read other Blogs I have written about the impact of tax cuts the results depends on the income level of the people receiving the tax cut. If the recipient is in the low or middle income range the added money is spent and does increase demand. If the tax cut goes to individuals that are near or at the top of the income level, most of the added money they receive is NOT spent. Some of the money simply increases their accumulated wealth and some may be invested in new business which does increase economic activity but not to the extent of increased demand. Because so much of the Bush tax cuts went to the wealthy, we have the results that the President’s economic Advisor and Comptroller general report from the dada obtained from OMB and CBO. What I have supported is to RETAIN the tax cuts that help the middle income American and return the tax rates on the top 10% to the levels in effect PRIOR to the tax cuts that started in 2001.
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What I have supported is to RETAIN the tax cuts that help the middle income American and return the tax rates on the top 10% to the levels in effect PRIOR to the tax cuts that started in 2001


So now you wanna be "Robin Hood"? Take from the rich and give to the poor?
Reply #23 Top
drmiler

Since we need the revenue to help balance the budget, I propose to obtain the needed revenue from those that can afford to pay a little more and who will not impact spending by higher taxes.

My solution not only makes economic sense but does not drive people that need the added money from the tax cuts into more financial trouble. The wealthy do not NEED the added money which is proven by the 1990's when the wealthy do just fine with the higher tax rates that were in effect. If we had a balanced budget then the tax cuts for the wealthy would be fine. THAT IS NOT THE CASE! To give away a dollar and get back only $.50 when you are already in debt makes NO SENSE!!!!!!!!!
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LOL< "we need revenue to help balance the budget".


You go into a credit counselor and say that. Methink's he'll disagree What he'll do is take your credit cards and cut them in half. You don't balance a budget by feeding the problem. You balance the budget by cutting out immense amounts of our government's expenses.

And don't bother posting your little chart again. It's insipid, and I doubt even you believe that's where the money really goes. The budget is just a "suggestion" to these people. They have a million ways to divert money before it gets to where it is supposed to be allocated, and then those areas have a million ways to waste what they DO get.

When teenagers overspend and demand money to dig their way out we understand what to do.
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Bakerstreet

YES we need three things to balance a budget that is $600 Billion out of balance. In addition, what fool would invest $1.00 to get a $.50 return which is what the Bush tax cut is providing!

The three things that will be needed to balance this budget and begin repaying the huge debt we have amassed:

Cut Spending
Collect the taxes due
Increase the rates on the top 10% to pre 2001 levels.

ANYONE that claims we can come up with $600 billion per year to JUST balance the budget without all three is just kidding themselves! No reasonable person would BORROW money to give a tax cut to the wealthy that returns $.50 on the dollar!!!!!