He said people were poor because they wanted to be poor.

Which is true.

Destroy this country for ALL but his wealthy Base! I do not know how many of you have a net worth above 10 Million and an annual income above $200,000, but for those that do not, you are supporting someone that will be to your determent in the future. Just wait until this country wakes up to what Bush has done to the financial health of this country. It is a disaster.

Statements like this show what looney things you believe. Yeah col, Bush is destroying the entire country just so the rich can have it all for themselves. Do you realize how stupid statements like yours are?


As every single post you make you still ignore everything that is posted.

I see you completely ignored post #22.

Hypocrit.

Enron is bad news, but Bush may have received campaign contributions but that does not make him culpable for the offences of Enron. Bush is perhaps guilty of many many acts, but the Enron Scandal does not have the paw prints of Bush.

What I said is Lay and people like show the type of people that are the base that put Bush into office. Look at the Abramoff scandal and how closely it is tied to the conservatives.

As to my comments about how Bush and the policies are destroying our country just look at what is coming in Medicare, Social Security and the huge increase in the interest that will be required because of Bush and his tax and spend policies. Add the fact we are ignoring the need to rebuild the infrastructure in this country even though we can send tens of Billions to Iraq to rebuild their infrastructure and you have a MAJOR DISASTOR that will result from Bush and the policies the GOP had pushed into law!

"I see you completely ignored post #22."

And #23.

What I said is Lay and people like show the type of people that are the base that put Bush into office. Look at the Abramoff scandal and how closely it is tied to the conservatives.

And felons, hookers, illegal immigrants, and terrorists are the one's who put democrats in office. Which do you prefer?

Why do you keep ignoring post #22 and #23?

I did nor say ENRON was the ONLY scandal but it was one of the largest in Dollars and I believe it was the one that impacted the most people Investors and employees. ENRON did take place on the Bush Watch!

No, Col, it wasn't. I suggest you compare the impact on investors and employees that were scammed now, as opposed to those who were scammed in the late 1800's. Adjust the millions earned by robber barons for inflation. Understand that there was no social security or any other safety net for those people.

No one is starving to death because of Enron. As I said, there have been scandals that torpedoed entire industries, and politicians found with their hands in the till. You can't say for a moment that Enron was more destructive or effected more people than any other scandal in history.

And, again, you knowingly lie when you say that Enron took place on the Bush watch. Enron was PROSECUTED on Bush's watch. Enron started cooking the books back in 1997. The investigation was in full swing in 2001. Why do you think that Ken Lay and the rest did their cut-and-run? It was those investigations that uncovered the fact that Enron wasn't successful and led to the stock selloff in the first place.

I had heated arguments two or three years ago right here with people who claimed that Bush had secretly killed Lay's prosecution, or that Bush would pardon him. Where are the dumbasses now when they are proven wrong?

Investors and employees. ENRON did take place on the Bush Watch!

This statement once again shows you see nothing but "blame Bush". As it's been pointed out to you, Enron was a major contributor to democrats, and these crimes that were committed started way before Bush. As Bakerstreet has pointed out Enron was caught and prosecuted under Bush. I don't see you giving that credit to him.

Either way, you are trying to link a scandal to Bush where there is none. Failed again col.

I had heated arguments two or three years ago right here with people who claimed that Bush had secretly killed Lay's prosecution, or that Bush would pardon him. Where are the dumbasses now when they are proven wrong?

Exactly. How many claimed Bush would let Lay go to trial, and all the other factless allegations. What a bunch of idiots.

A few points to consider, re: Dems and Enron. Well, 50 points, actually.

The Col's argument tarring Bush with Enron consists entirely of two words: Kenny Boy.

Those two words have trumped all facts for those who wish to hate Bush. Nothing else matters.

In case it needs to be more clear, the media participate in this guilt-by-association-athon by almost never printing Lay's name without the qualifier "often referred to as 'Kenny Boy' by President Bush," at least once just to be sure we get the not-so-subliminal message. It's apparently worked on the Col, who certainly never lets inconvenient facts stand in his way. He has a mind shut tighter than Mother Theresa's vagina.

No one said Bush would tried to prevent the prosecution of Lay. What I said is Lay and Abramoff are the type of people that make up the Bush Base. I am not going to get into semantics as to which scandal was the biggest. Enron was a VERY MAJOR scandal that impacted a lot of people. Abramoff is another person, tied to the GOP that has used MONEY and POWER just like Bush and many people were harmed. Those that are not VERY wealthy that support what Bush and the people like him in the GOP are fools. What Bush and the wealthy conservatives are about will harm this country in the long run and harm the VAST MAJORITY of people in this country so the privileged few can become MORE WEALTHY!

What I said is Lay and Abramoff are the type of people that make up the Bush Base.

And you are once again wrong.

hose that are not VERY wealthy that support what Bush and the people like him in the GOP are fools.

Wow col. You just called a lot of Americans fools. So what col, people who are not wealthy should support democrats? You posts are getting more wacky every time.

Col, why do you keep ignoring the posts that counter your ridiculous accusations here?

IslandDog

It is YOU that is WRONG. Lay and Abramoff are very much part of the Bush Base. Ken Lay was the largest contributor to Bush. He gave Bush about 3/4 of a million dollars.

Yes a lot of people voted for Bush and his policies are directly opposite to what they need. The one encouraging thing is that only about 30% of Americans are still fooled which is better then the 52% in November 2004. It is hard to admit you are wrong but as the results of the Bush policies unfold, only the most stubborn will not admit that Bush is NOT helping the country and is only helping the wealthy in America at the expense of everyone else.

As I said if you have a net worth of $10 Million or more and an annual income above $250,000 you will be helped by the Bush policies. Most everyone else will either get a trickle or no help. I see no one commented on the data I posted from the Dept of Labor that PROVED that Average Weekly Income DID NOT INCREASE IN THE PAST 5 YEARS! Great Job Mr. Bush!!!!!!!!

It is YOU that is WRONG. Lay and Abramoff are very much part of the Bush Base. Ken Lay was the largest contributor to Bush. He gave Bush about 3/4 of a million dollars.

So what col? Who cares how much he donated? The democratic party got money from him. The democratic party base is felons, illegals, and hookers, do you have a problem with that?

Yes a lot of people voted for Bush and his policies are directly opposite to what they need. The one encouraging thing is that only about 30% of Americans are still fooled which is better then the 52% in November 2004. It is hard to admit you are wrong but as the results of the Bush policies unfold, only the most stubborn will not admit that Bush is NOT helping the country and is only helping the wealthy in America at the expense of everyone else.

Bush policies have benefited me tremedously, and I'm not part of the evil rich. For you to say only the wealthy are benefiting in this country show what a hack you are.

Where did you get your 30% number col. Another media poll which oversamples democrats I bet? Complain all you want about Bush, but democrats will be even worse.

As I said if you have a net worth of $10 Million or more and an annual income above $250,000 you will be helped by the Bush policies. Most everyone else will either get a trickle or no help.

That's a lie col. We have all shown data that shows everyone who pays taxes have benefited. It just doesn't fit into your DNC talking points.

I see no one commented on the data I posted from the Dept of Labor that PROVED that Average Weekly Income DID NOT INCREASE IN THE PAST 5 YEARS! Great Job Mr. Bush!!!!!!!!

You are the ultimate hypocrit col.

I see you still haven't commented in the last three posts made to you. We did comment on your data and showed you how people have benefited. I guess you only see things that fit your DNC talking points.

Things col hasn't commented on.

Post #35

Post #21

Post #22

Here's from another thread.

Another statistic often overlooked by Bush critics is that average earnings of rank-and-file private-sector workers have increased since Bush took office, though modestly. Even after adjusting for inflation -- including the rising price of gasoline --those earnings are up just over 1% since January 2001, despite the recession and the initially slow recovery.

And that is just in this thread. Answer it hypocrit.

"I am not going to get into semantics as to which scandal was the biggest."

Urm, but you already did when made the assertion that:

"The Enron scandal was the largest failure in our history."

...and then reiterated it in the face of facts otherwise by saying:

" I did nor say ENRON was the ONLY scandal but it was one of the largest in Dollars and I believe it was the one that impacted the most people Investors and employees."

Now that that you realize it wasn't, you don't want to get into it. Akin to that, you are now saying:

" No one said Bush would tried to prevent the prosecution of Lay. "

...when in the original article you said:

"I wonder if Mr. Lay or his side kick Jeffery Skilling can make enough contributions to the GOP to BUY a Bush Pardon?"

The tactic of making and assertion and then acting as if people are distracting from the conversation when they address it doesn't work. You use the most twisted, inflammatory facts and language, and then when you get called on it, you pretend it isn't up there in black and white. As if we should just accept that everyone lies through their teeth to make political points.

Our hardliner Republican friends don't give you enough credit. You know exactly what you are saying, and you aren't brainwashed enough to believe it. You're just brainwashed enough not to mind overstating and outright lying to sway people's minds.

The Issue with ENRON was Ken Lay who was the biggest supporter of Bush. The issue is not WHEN but WHO and the WHO was The Presidents biggest financial contributor Ken Lay Founder of ENRON that was just convicted of 29 counts. That takes care of 31.

What issues are in 21 and 22? The posts are not numbered.

The Issue with ENRON was Ken Lay who was the biggest supporter of Bush. The issue is not WHEN but WHO and the WHO was The Presidents biggest financial contributor Ken Lay Founder of ENRON that was just convicted of 29 counts. That takes care of 31.

Col, this whole post, like your others, is just stupid. So what if Lay was the biggest Bush supporter. It has no meaning at all. Like I said, felons and illegal immigrants make up the base of the democratic party. Are you ok with that?




Was this person lying.....

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."

and....post #22

Documents obtained by TIME show the energy giant enjoyed much closer ties with Clinton Administration regulators than was generally known. Long before Cheney's task force met with Enron officials and included their ideas in Bush's energy plan, Clinton's energy team was doing much the same thing. Drafting a 1995 plan to help facilitate cash flow and credit for energy producers, it asked for Enron's input—and listened. The staff was directed to "rework the proposal to take into account the specific comments and suggestions you made," Clinton Deputy Energy Secretary Bill White wrote an Enron official.

No, the issue is your blog, and what you say in it. If you claim that Enron was the 'largest failure in our history", then you have made that part of the issue. When you fall back on the old whine that Bush might go to bat for Lay because of all the donations, you have made that the issue. You did both.

Maybe, *gasp*, you should mean what you say and say what you mean, instead of assuming we'll know that half your posts are inflammatory, innacurate rhetoric. You didn't like the idea of being tied in with people who claimed Bush was going squelch the prosecution of Lay, but that's just the kind of person you are. Later, when you are found to be wrong, you say "it isn't the issue".

My guess is you can't portray this accurately, because in so doing you'll take out everything "damaging" to Bush. If you acknowledge that Lay got nothing for his donations, and that he and his cohorts were neck deep in Democrat affiliation, too, then there's nothing here to cause outrage. The problem is you end up being the boy who cried wolf. People see that there is no substance to this argument, and are less apt to take your next one seriously.

What issues are in 21 and 22? The posts are not numbered.

Do NOT try feeding us that B*LLSH*T col!

#45 by COL Gene Mon, May 29, 2006 10:26 AM

What would you call the section I've shown in bold type?

Reply numbering depends on how you "view" the threads. They're numbered when viewing in the forums, but not when you view them as articles.

I've heard the critics shift over to the claim that Bush will pardon Lay on his way out the door.

I'll make my prediction here - Lay will not suffer the fate of Mark Rich.

THis is my answer to your BS in post 22




This report was published in July 2000. It should be considered outdated and is kept online for historical purposes only.

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Pioneer Profiles: George W. Bush's $100,000 Club

Name: Kenneth Lay
Occupation: Chair & CEO, Enron Corp.
Industry: Energy & Natural Resources
Home: Houston, Texas
1999 Salary & Perks: $42.4 Million


Political Contributions:
Bush Gubernatorial Races:
$122,500
Republican Hard Money:
$145,850
Republican Soft Money:
$250,000
Democratic Hard Money:
$39,000
Democratic Soft Money:
$0
Federal PAC Hard Money:
$17,200
Total Contributions:
$574,550

Soft Money from Employer:
$1,953,350
to Republicans:

$1,501,000
to Democrats:

$452,350

The $550,025 that the Enron Corp. gave Bush over the years makes it his No. 1 career patron, according to the Center for Public Integrity. “Virtually every … aspect of Enron’s operations is overseen by the federal government,” a ’96 Dallas Morning News story noted. Not surprisingly, this global natural gas giant and its top executive are big political contributors who keep revolving doors whirling. Lay hired President Bush’s cabinet members James Baker and Robert Mosbacher as they left office. After President Bush’s ’93 Gulf War victory tour of Kuwait, Baker and other members of his entourage stayed on to hustle Enron contracts. The Clinton administration also threatened to cut Mozambique’s aid in ’95 if the world’s poorest country awarded a pipeline contract to a different company. Enron got Bush to contact Texas’ congressional delegation in ’97 to promote a corporate welfare program in which U.S. taxpayers finance political risk insurance for the foreign operations of corporations such as Enron. Enron plants around Houston—which surpassed LA for the title to the nation’s worst air—are “grandfathered” air polluters that exploit a loophole in state law to avoid installing modern pollution-control technologies. Earlier this year the Houston Astros inaugurated their new Enron Field, which was financed with $180 million in public tax dollars and $100 million from Enron. In return, Enron landed tax breaks and a $200 million contract to power the stadium. Topping Eron’s political wish list in Texas was deregulation of the state’s electrical markets. Bush signed this dream into law in ’99.