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Hitler, Nazis and Racists

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It seems that the loony loopy Luddite left has been reduced to baby talk.  No longer able to discuss issues rationally, they must resort to using on of the 3 title words to enter into any discussion or debate.  No longer able to engage in rational discourse, the first words out of their mouth is "bush is Hitler" or "conservatives are Nazis" or "this amendment is racist" (Harry Reid).

Racist?  OK, as Bakerstreet likes to point out, it is cultural supremacist.  It is jingoistic.  But Racists?  Since when is a race, any race, limited to one language?  Whites?  Nein, Mein herr (oder Damen).  Blacks?  How many know that Swahili is a made up language by {shock} Englishmen!  The continent speaks more languages, as do blacks the world over, than carter has liver pills (Ever seen a Black German speaking fluent German and English with a British accent?  I have!)  Hispanics?  get a life!  They are not a race.  They include not only people of Spanish descent, but Portuguese as well (want to tell the Portuguese are really Spanish?  Want to live very long?)  And no, not all speak Spanish!  Seen the blond haired senorita from Majorca?  Asian?  While the Chinese and Japanese writings are very pretty, they are hardly interchangeable.  And what about Korean, Vietnamese, Cambodian, etc.  Polynesian?  Send a Tahitian to Hawaii and see how well he gets along!

No, the simple fact is language is language, and race is race.  And to make a statement like Harry Reid did is tantamount to extreme bigotry.  And ignorance.  But I repeat myself.

No, harry Reid, the only thing racist about making English the National language of the US is your statement.  It may be egotistical.  It may be arrogant.  It may be superfluous.  But it is not racist.  No, Harry Reid, you are the racist for thinking that all foreigners only speak Spanish, and thus must fit into your myopic stereotype of being Mexicans - which in itself is very racist as well.  You learned well from your democrat roots.  Congratulations and you may now don your hood from your racist roots.

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top

That's the danger here, frankly. We claim to love immigrants and only to be upset about the illegal aliens, and then we turn around and vote yes on something like this. It just gives ammunition to the people who want the world to believe that we are just anti-immigrant altogether.

I disagree.  I dont see it as anything more than a bit of vote getting and chest thumping.  Frankly I think the world had a collective yawn over the whole todo.

Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
For a couple of centuries we were separated from the world by oceans and did not have to learn other languages.


But we still had immigration taking place. I know of many families who had their name changed. It's just that the English won oppressing the other immigrants and now this is the result. If the French and Indian side won we wouldn't be speaking English. Same could be said for with the spainards from California and Mexico. I don't see how things are different now then they were before. Just some were sheltered from the fact that this was there all along.
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top

If the French and Indian side won we wouldn't be speaking English.

No, you lack a general knowledge of HIstory.  Whether the US would be 'Coast to coast' is a question.  Spaniards were never strong enough to make the US speak spanish (although we do use their dollar).  The french have never won anything, so that was never a question.  Quite simply, the politics of the time.  We could be speaking English or German.  But that is not really the issue.

OUr lack of interaction with others because of our separation made us fat dumb and lazy.  We did not have to in order to interact with our neighbors, so we did not.

Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yes, stute.....some cultures ARE better than others. Cultures that, for example, repeatedly come to the rescue of people in other cultures without asking for or expecting any real recompense.
Cultures that move forward and provide an atmosphere of creativity and intelligence that permits its people to invent new ways to make the whole world a better, slightly easier place in which to live.
Cultures that don't freely permit their people to slaughter each other in ages-old conflicts over ages-old grudges and feuds of which no one fighting over them today even remembers the origins.

Those cultures are better than the others.

See, Baker supports anyone/thing that comes along and infuses what he sniffily decrees as our American "generic non-culture" with what he might sniffily percieve as cultural flavor.
Perhaps you'd like it, Baker, if every newscast had its own "culturally appropriate" anchor, instead of the "creepy", generic robots that are there out of necessity, so they can attempt to appeal to everyone. For example:

The Black anchor could wear FUBU or Sean John outfits with a huge gold chain and medallion and sideways ballcap, have grilles and give the news in urban ghetto-ized Ebonics and Gangsta slang.

The Latino anchor could wear a sombraro and poncho and talk like Freddy Prinz, or maybe a silk suit with white shirt, open at the collar, gold chains and talk like Tony Montana. Or, if a woman, Charro.

The Germanic Anchor could dress and talk like Deiter, Mike Myers' "Sprockets" character from SNL.

The Italian Anchor could wear a tux and talk like Vito Corleone.......the possibilties are endless.

Of course, the evening newscasts would last hours and hours, but hey.....anything in the name of cultural diversity, right?
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: Rightwinger

Good analogy.  But still you did not get the issue.  The anchors are not culture.  They are ethnic.  You did hit it in the first paragraph.  But again that is subjective.  It is YOUR best culture (and it is mine). And yes, it is better than Sudan, Ruwanda, Iraq, Iran, or even Mexico (a very xenophobic society if there ever was one).  WHy?  Because it is the one we can and will identify with because it is the one we want to live in.  Every one who CHOOSES a culture is a culture supremacist.  Period.

I admit it.  Now knock that chip off my shoulder.

Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
It is YOUR best culture (and it is mine


Okay.

)And yes, it is better than Sudan, Ruwanda, Iraq, Iran, or even Mexico (a very xenophobic society if there ever was one).


Infinitely so.


WHy? Because it is the one we can and will identify with because it is the one we want to live in. Every one who CHOOSES a culture is a culture supremacist. Period.


But Doc, Western (and that includes American) culture is the best culture in the history of the world. You can debate it till you're blue in the face, as Baker does, and with some mighty fine points, I admit, but WC has provided most of the major advances in, say, engineering, education and economics, of any in the world. It has influenced other cultures, which try to emulate it to varying degrees of success and failure. How many other cultures can make that claim? Maybe Ancient Greece or Rome----hey---those were Western Cultures, weren't they?
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top

But Doc, Western (and that includes American) culture is the best culture in the history of the world. You can debate it till you're blue in the face, as Baker does,

No, that is where you err.  American culture is not Western culture.  It belongs to the same genus, but not sub genus.  So let them argue that Mayan (my personal favorite), Zimbabwian, Hunan, Szchuan, or Shinto is the best. They are merely exercising sophistry.  And confirming my statement that American is the best.

Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: BakerStreet

Reply By: Rightwinger

Excuse me for butting into your debate.  As you have decided to take it to another venue, I will delete these responses and we can get back to the subject at hand.  Before I do, I will save them in case anyone wants to read them.  Otherwise, have fun.

Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
No, you lack a general knowledge of HIstory. Whether the US would be 'Coast to coast' is a question. Spaniards were never strong enough to make the US speak spanish (although we do use their dollar). The french have never won anything, so that was never a question. Quite simply, the politics of the time. We could be speaking English or German.


No you missed my point. I am saying IF not what did happen but if things happened differently we wouldn't be speaking English. Yeah yeah I have heard all the arguements against French and Spanish but I am not convinced that couldn't have happened differently. Take a few of the tide changing events and the story turns. That's all. Nothing historical more speculating that's all.
Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
Excuse me for butting into your debate. As you have decided to take it to another venue, I will delete these responses and we can get back to the subject at hand. Before I do, I will save them in case anyone wants to read them. Otherwise, have fun.


Okay, sorry Doc.
Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
lol, nm.
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
Dr Guy is spot on when he says that Race cannot be equated with language. This equation has done a great deal of harm all over the world. I also agree that making immigrants learn English is not racists at all. If someone chooses to immigrate to USA he/she must learn to speak English. The multiculturalists have it all wrong when they say all languages are equal. The simple fact is that English is the language of science, technology, the internet and the language of knowledge. It does not belong any more to the British. English belongs to the world and hence there is nothing wrong in making people learn that language.
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top

No you missed my point. I am saying IF not what did happen but if things happened differently we wouldn't be speaking English. Yeah yeah I have heard all the arguements against French and Spanish but I am not convinced that couldn't have happened differently. Take a few of the tide changing events and the story turns. That's all. Nothing historical more speculating that's all.

Ok, now I understand.  And yes, had history been a little different (as in Nelson lost instead of won), your scenario could have played out.

Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top
Isn't it just a tad cheesy to delete my response and yet leave the rant directed at me by name that I was responding to (#29)? No offense, it's your blog.
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top

I also agree that making immigrants learn English is not racists at all. If someone chooses to immigrate to USA he/she must learn to speak English.

Here is the irony as well. Americans are often referred to as Ugly americans because they go to a foreign country and expect to be understood speaking English.  And they should be for such an enormous ego!  Yet when people come here, we are still ugly americans for expecting the same courtesy as other countries expect?

Very Ironic indeed.