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IRAQ IS A DISASTER

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IRAQ IS A DISASTER

Time to GET OUT!

from JoeUser Forums



Within the past 24 Hours the following events have been reported:

43 Iraqis were found shot execution style.

Iraq people cheer when a British helicopter is shot down in Basra and stone the British troops attempting to reach the crash site.

Four more explosions were reported killing 17 and injuring 44 more.
We are headed for another record level of deaths in May

The atrocities we saw under Saddam are continuing the only difference is which side is inflicting the killing. The elections that were to bring stability took place four months ago and the violence continues without improvement.

It is time to allow the Iraqi people decide what is to become of Iraq. Our continued presence is NOT solving the conflict among the three factions in Iraq. All we are doing is sustaining more deaths, injuries and spending money that would be far better spent on the needs of Americans.
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Reply #126 from JoeUser Forums Top
ALL the poor are that way because they want to be POOR or because they do not work are idiots.


Didn't say all the poor col, just most. It's been pointed out to you before how someone in America can survive on very little. You just ignore it.


We spend Billions every week in Iraq but have no money for Americans in Need. That is pure Conservative BS. Ley's take the money we are spending in Iraq and help our people.


Col, we give so much in entitlement programs and welfare it's almost uncountable. Do not ever say this country doesn't help it's own people. The difference is you want a welfare state where the government takes care of everything.

You, as other liberals, use Iraq as another basis for your welfare state. What about all the money democrats have spent on wasteful programs? How sad.
Reply #127 from JoeUser Forums Top
500,000 homes were destroyed by Katrina. Many of the people who owned these homes do not have the money to rebuild or take on another mortgage-- Even a low interest mortgage.


Col, Let's use Katrina since you would like. I personally have seen two people who were 'displaced' to my community. One used the aid from the gov't to feed himself (eating ramen, mac-n-cheese, etc) and was off of it in 3 weeks. He searched and found a job. Now he is doing well and has bounced back. Now here is person number too. He was living off of credit cards planning to go 'bankrupt' once he came close to reaching credit limit. Then would find a job. He has gone to the hospital and detox a few times and although 'says' he is trying to start a new life but shows no fruits. Because he is Katrina victim his .4 blood alcohol visit to the hospital was paid for by our taxes. My point here is that the one's you and your lib friends are trying to help are already off of the aid and making it on their own. My congregation sent money to help those in NEED not welfare leeches.

By saying the opposite you aren't even being a robin hood. You want to steal from the honest hard working Americans who ARE trying to make a better lives and give it to the leeches?
Sins of a Solar Empire II
Reply #128 from JoeUser Forums Top
Col is just making excuses. He does not know what it's like to live poor. I do, I have been struggling for 8 years now. But I can only blame myself for not trying hard enough. But that will change in about 2 weeks awhen I move back to the US (keep in mind I have only lived here for 2 years). I will prove to you Col that there are jobs, that I can live a decent life if I try and that most of those who claim can't do will be proven wrong by me.

Col, just like you say I have no opinion over military issues cause I am not in the Armed Forces, you can't talk for the poor cause you do not know what it's like to struggle to put food on the table for your kids and I don't mean working hard, I mean working hard while getting paid barely enough to pay rent, light, water, gas, car insurance, food, clothing, all that without buying any funiture, not TV's bigger than 19 inch, a futon for a sofa and bed, a used playstation from a pawnshop for the kids. Not even Bush knows, he can never relate, no president ever can. But we can make sure he knows, we can make sure he gets the messages and we can show him how to do it by telling him what to do.
Reply #129 from JoeUser Forums Top
The extent of the poor was revealed by the storms last year. In Texas and the Gulf areas. There are over a million people that have next to nothing. When Bush went down too that area 10 days after the storm, he admitted he was unaware of just HOW MANY POOR we have in America.

For what we have spent in Iraq, we could have rebuilt every home and rebuilt the levies to protect the area from flooding in the future. Instead we wasted what will most likely be TRILLION tax dollars on that stinking country. What did we get from that money? 2,450 dead. 18,000 injures and many new enemies. If we had spent that same amount of money in America, 1.5 Million people would have a home and the area would be safe for the future. The money we would have spent on rebuilding the Gulf would have put people to work and created profits for the companies doing the rebuilding. What return did we get from INVADING Iraq? More enemies and 26 Million Iraqi’s that look at us as occupiers of their country. Anyone that believes we made the correct choice is just NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply #130 from JoeUser Forums Top
How does a mind get as tightly shut as yours, anyway?
--Daiwa (from post #27)

Maybe he has radiation poisoning?


Colonel, I, for one, thank you for your service; but, man-o-man---you hate more than any one person I think I've ever encountered. Your irrational hatred blinds you to established facts that those here have used time and time again to refute your claims. You just keep on keepin' on, ignoring their information, while adamantly insisting that they accept yours.
That's why you always come off on the bad end of the argument, despite anything you say.
Reply #131 from JoeUser Forums Top
Colonel, I, for one, thank you for your service; but, man-o-man---you hate more than any one person I think I've ever encountered. Your irrational hatred blinds you to established facts that those here have used time and time again to refute your claims. You just keep on keepin' on, ignoring their information, while adamantly insisting that they accept yours.
That's why you always come off on the bad end of the argument, despite anything you say.


Rightwinger have a cookie
Reply #132 from JoeUser Forums Top
Instead we wasted what will most likely be TRILLION tax dollars on that stinking country.


And you want to talk about somebodies compassion? What a hypocrit.

Col, let's end welfare and tell those people they have to find a job. Then they can buy their own places to live. No welfare state. Why don't you go live in France?
Reply #133 from JoeUser Forums Top
Island Dog

No, Lets STOP spending the money we are spending in Iraq and help our people. Do you realize that if the Fed had built 500,000 new homes at a cost of $300,000 per home, we would have spent $150 Billion? That is what we have spent in the past 18 Months in Iraq. If we add rebuilding all the levies and river banks and clean up ALL the rubble, it would amount to two years of this unnecessary war. You mean to tell me that the Iraq war is more important than what I have suggested? If you believe that you are in another world. I am not up tight. I am pointing out what could have been done for America rather then the cost of a war that has NOT made us safer and that has no end in sight! If this war does end up costing a Trillion Dollars, it will cost 5 Times more then rebuilding 500,000 homes and rebuilding the Gulf Area. Just think Bush Borrowed EVERY CENT he spent on this WAR. So you can enjoy it year after year as you pay the interest in the added debt this war has cost the American Taxpayer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply #134 from JoeUser Forums Top
What about the $2K debit cards Col? 2 Gs in my hand would help me tons. I don't think our taxes should pay for rebuilding peoples houses. They built their houses in a high risk area. If I built my house in an avalanche chute and an avalanche came through and wiped out my house would you feel sorry for me? If you do then please send me your money because you obviously have too much. These people knew that they were living below sealevel. I don't see much difference. Take the $2k move the heck out of there and start your life anew. Face it Col. You just want to bash Bush for peoples' laziness. I have a friend down there in NO who owns a business. His was looted and he is optimistic and is rebounding. His family hasn't moved back but they are in the process of rebuilding their lives without the gov'ts help. Quit trying to play sympathy card with the lazy ones. There are many opportunities for them to start their lives over. I can teach someone to fish but I can't force them to catch their own.
Reply #135 from JoeUser Forums Top
Do you realize that if the Fed had built 500,000 new homes at a cost of $300,000 per home, we would have spent $150 Billion?


Col, the Iraq war has absolutely nothing to do with this. $150 billion is nothing to the federal government. It's not the governments responsibility to rebuild everyones homes.

I am pointing out what could have been done for America rather then the cost of a war that has NOT made us safer and that has no end in sight! If this war does end up costing a Trillion Dollars, it will cost 5 Times more then rebuilding 500,000 homes and rebuilding the Gulf Area. Just think Bush Borrowed EVERY CENT he spent on this WAR. So you can enjoy it year after year as you pay the interest in the added debt this war has cost the American Taxpayer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A war you democrats voted for col, remember that. I love it when you talk about what I will be paying. You have the economic knowledge of a child.
Reply #136 from JoeUser Forums Top
Ya know what...This may be hypocritical...(Actually, it is) but, we're still feeding that Col?

*sigh* Here's five Gene Co.

;~D
Reply #137 from JoeUser Forums Top
First, I am not a Democrat. Second, if the truth about Iraq would have been known when the Congress voted, there would not have been a war. It is not our responsibility to provide Iraq with the right to vote. Look at what happened. Three elections and they can NOT FORM A GOVERNMENT. The violence is worse then ever and the country is falling into civil war. Great way to have spent our tax dollars. We would have been FAR BETTER to rebuild the damage from Katrina!

17 More dead yesterday and they still can not complete their government!!!!!
Reply #138 from JoeUser Forums Top
First, I am not a Democrat.


Then stop acting like one.


Second, if the truth about Iraq would have been known when the Congress voted, there would not have been a war.


That's your opinion col. Hindsight means absolutely nothing. Democrats voted to support the war, that is a fact.


Three elections and they can NOT FORM A GOVERNMENT. The violence is worse then ever and the country is falling into civil war. Great way to have spent our tax dollars. We would have been FAR BETTER to rebuild the damage from Katrina!


They are forming a government as we speak. Nothing is perfect.

There is no civil war col. You have been hoping and saying this for month, but it's stil not true.

Col, we have been rebuilding damage from Katrina. Iraq and Katrina are two different things. Just another pathetic attempt to bash Bush. How sad you are.


17 More dead yesterday and they still can not complete their government!!!!!


Sad day for you liberals.


In a show of hands, the 275-member parliament approved each Cabinet minister proposed by incoming Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. The new ministers then took their oaths of office in the nationally televised session in Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone.

That completed a democratic process that began following the overthrow of
Saddam Hussein's regime in the 2003 U.S.-led invasion.
Reply #139 from JoeUser Forums Top
The proof will be if the Violence ENDS. If it does not, the new government means NOTHING!!!

In any event, IT IS TIME FOR US TO LEAVE. They have a military, police force and government. Time to go home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply #140 from JoeUser Forums Top
The proof will be if the Violence ENDS. If it does not, the new government means NOTHING!!!


It doesn't matter either way to you col. You will still complain.


In any event, IT IS TIME FOR US TO LEAVE. They have a military, police force and government. Time to go home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You mean surrender.