I'm Going to Miss You Tom DeLay

I thought you got it.  But you still dont get it.  Good news for the Republicans.

You like being a minority party dont you.

What are you talking about? I never said it's not a good thing for the GOP. It definitely is, but I think it's too late for them to brush his stench off of them completely.

What are you talking about?

Your answer shows you still dont get it.  Sorry, nothing I can say will make you understand.

No, of course I don't get it. Mere humans are incapable of understanding your keen wisdom and insightful comments.

Maybe it's just a reflection of your age, but pretending that "selling out Congress" is new or strictly Republican is naive at best. Congressional power & perks are equal opportunity destroyers. There is also a rather fine line between being effective on behalf of your consituents and "arm twisting, manipulation and intimidation," the difference, more often than not, depending entirely on whether your party affiliation is the same (or not).

Maybe it's just a reflection of your age, but pretending that "selling out Congress" is new or strictly Republican is naive at best.

I'm not claiming that selling out congress is new or strictly republican. I'm saying that DeLay, along with a few cohorts(Santorum, Norquist) took it a an unprecented level.

There is also a rather fine line between being effective on behalf of your consituents and "arm twisting, manipulation and intimidation," the difference, more often than not, depending entirely on whether your party affiliation is the same (or not).

I'll give you that point on manipulation, but not on the other two.

Just so we're clear, are you defending Tom DeLay? Are you saying that more times than not, he had his constituent's best interest in mind?

Maybe it's just a reflection of your age, but pretending that "selling out Congress" is new or strictly Republican is naive at best. I'm not claiming that selling out congress is new or strictly republican. I'm saying that DeLay, along with a few cohorts(Santorum, Norquist) took it a an unprecented level. There is also a rather fine line between being effective on behalf of your consituents and "arm twisting, manipulation and intimidation," the difference, more often than not, depending entirely on whether your party affiliation is the same (or not). I'll give you that point on manipulation, but not on the other two. Just so we're clear, are you defending Tom DeLay? Are you saying that more times than not, he had his constituent's best interest in mind?

See you on the left seem to forget one simple fact. Tom DeLay was NEVER convicted of anything was he?

Have any proof that he didn't?

took it a an unprecented level.

Hardly unprecedented. If it was in fact as you characterize it, it may have been small potatoes compared to what went on at times in the past. Until Watergate, our media pretty much ignored all the shit going on under the table & behind closed doors. Once destroying politicians became the journalistic sport of choice, "suddenly" all kinds of evil things were happening. (An aside - because the first one so destroyed was a Republican, the media have since had a collective mindset much more suspicious of wrongdoing in Republican circles than in Democrat, but I digress.)

Just so we're clear, are you defending Tom DeLay? Are you saying that more times than not, he had his constituent's best interest in mind?

No, I'm saying he probably had his constituents' best interest in mind about as often as, say, Lyndon Johnson, perhaps more often. Not being from DeLay's district, however, I can't comment one way or the other with authority. DeLay may be crooked as hell, but Johnson would have dismissed him as a rank amateur in the excercise of political muscle, would've walked all over him, never mind all the "hammer" talk, which was just the media's way of demonizing him. I'm saying none of us know just yet, me included. And that the distinction between good and evil is likely to be more political than legal. You've clearly convicted him in your mind already, based only on the media's reporting, the presumption of innocence being a quaint historical curiosity to most liberals these days. If he's found guilty of crimes, let him reap his justly earned rewards. If he acted in good faith and is found innocent, what a shame he was brought down by baseless innuendo and the vendetta of a local prosecutor obsessed with nailing him at any cost for political reasons. The rough and tumble of politics is ugly, and what goes around always comes around.

These are not my own words but they seem very appropriate:

"You and your media continually remind Americans of indictments as if they were convictions. You don't report that the prosecutor is a liberal hack who tried and failed six times to get Tom Delay indicted on bogus charges. You don't say boo about the bogus charges that are thrown out. You mention in your reports that 'former' employees of Delay were convicted as if this places guilt on Representative Delay. You attack, attack, attack, until the person has had enough. And, this is your win. And, if Republicans think that these attacking politics, the only politics the Democrats know, will stop here, HAH! Think again. You get more of what you reward. Democrats cannot win on their liberal socialist agenda. Liberals can win if they personally attack. Today, dems may have won a round."

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See you on the left seem to forget one simple fact. Tom DeLay was NEVER convicted of anything was he? Have any proof that he didn't?

I don't see anywhere that I said he had committed any crimes or been convicted of anything. That doesn't preclude him from being a sleazebag.

You've clearly convicted him in your mind already, based only on the media's reporting, the presumption of innocence being a quaint historical curiosity to most liberals these days.

You've clearly misunderstood the intent of my post. My intent was not to attack DeLay or anyone else. I'm just going to miss having such an easy mark to target.

I don't see anywhere that I said he had committed any crimes or been convicted of anything. That doesn't preclude him from being a sleazebag.

Him and everyone else in congress.

No, of course I don't get it. Mere humans are incapable of understanding your keen wisdom and insightful comments.

I haven't laughed so hard in ages... Dr Guy is so often utterly inexplicable that I wonder if we even speak the same language. Dunno why this particular retort of yours seemed funny, but good work anyway.

Him and everyone else in congress.

Not everyone...come on. Don't be so cynical!

When did hating become fun?

I sure miss the old days when the Democratic party preferred love over hate. ... ok, so I'm a reformed hippy ... AKA old

Him and everyone else in congress. Not everyone...come on. Don't be so cynical!

Cynical? Oh no. I'd be willing to wager that if you looked into their backrounds that everyone of them have done the same things. Both democrats "and" republicans.

You've clearly misunderstood the intent of my post. My intent was not to attack DeLay or anyone else. I'm just going to miss having such an easy mark to target.

target: a reference point to shoot at
attack: an offensive against an enemy

Sound like an attack to me. After all, this article is targeting DeLay and almost all other Republicans in congress. So this is more like an all out war if you think about it.

Cynical? Oh no. I'd be willing to wager that if you looked into their backrounds that everyone of them have done the same things. Both democrats "and" republicans.

And you truly believe that the media and/or their political enemies just isn't bothering to look into their backgrounds?

Sound like an attack to me. After all, this article is targeting DeLay and almost all other Republicans in congress.

Apparently you have some serious issues with math. I mentioned DeLay, Frist, Santorum, and Ney. That totals 4...a far cry from the actual hundreds of republicans who are in congress.

Sure, there are others in the GOP to loathe

Last time I checked "others" was not an exact number and can be understood as mentioning the "actual hundreds of republicans who are in congress". And since you specified "GOP" it would only lead to the conclusion that you are attacking most if not all, except you chose to mention only a couple of names from so many probably cause there were too many and you didn't feel like writting them all.

But wait, there's more:

but I like hating the GOP

That doesn't say "DeLay, Frist, Santorum, and Ney", GOP, that included everyone, even GWB and he's not even in Congress.

So maybe you should re-analyze you math skill cause you can't even count on what you write. Get it? Count, write?

I do so love the left! "we must give terrorist a fair trial"

tom delay! GUILTY {before trial}


you folks are so out of touch with reality!

Last time I checked "others" was not an exact number and can be understood as mentioning the "actual hundreds of republicans who are in congress". And since you specified "GOP" it would only lead to the conclusion that you are attacking most if not all, except you chose to mention only a couple of names from so many probably cause there were too many and you didn't feel like writting them all.

It's would have been pretty easy for me to write that every single republican in congress is crooked, or that I hate them all, but I didn't. Therefore, why would you assume that my intent was that I meant every single one of them?

but I like hating the GOP That doesn't say "DeLay, Frist, Santorum, and Ney", GOP, that included everyone, even GWB and he's not even in Congress.

Actually, the GOP is a political party/organization. If my intent was to say that I hated everyone as you're implying then I would have said that.

Are you done playing games now? Are you going to add anything other than nitpicking? If not, then leave.

I do so love the left! "we must give terrorist a fair trial" tom delay! GUILTY {before trial} you folks are so out of touch with reality!

Once again, where did I say anything about DeLay being guilty of committing any crimes? I didn't say anything about the criminal charges against him.

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Once again, where did I say anything about DeLay being guilty of committing any crimes? I didn't say anything about the criminal charges against him.

ok so in this article you did not say anything about delays charges, I stand corrected. BUT the left has been calling for delays jailing even before there is a trial.

BUT the left has been calling for delays jailing even before there is a trial.

I haven't seen anyone say that he should be locked up without being found guilty. Do you have links to any of those statements?

No, of course I don't get it. Mere humans are incapable of understanding your keen wisdom and insightful comments.

YOur flippant attitude indicates you are unwilling to understand. There is no keen wisdom. There is only the reality.

I said you dont get it, and your response indicates you dont want to. See? Simple words, easily understood by a 4th grade student. I am not preventing you from anything, nor hiding anything either. Not being mysterious.

Dr Guy is so often utterly inexplicable that I wonder if we even speak the same language.

Thanks Cacto. I do not always state the obvious. I just hope others can see it. being an Aussie, it would escape you. But being an American, it only escapes those who will not see.

Do I have to continually state the sun rises in the east? Or can you take it for granted.