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72% Of Troops In Iraq Want Out Within a Year

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72% Of Troops In Iraq Want Out Within a Year

Are they guilty of giving aid & comfort to the enemy also?

http://select.nytimes.com/2006/02/28/opinion/28kristof.html
from JoeUser Forums


Bush has said repeatedly that talk of pulling out of Iraq undermines troop morale;

"It is also important for every American to understand the consequences of pulling out of Iraq before our work is done. … We would undermine the morale of our troops by betraying the cause for which they have sacrificed."12/18/05

A new poll to be released today shows that U.S. soldiers overwhelmingly want out of Iraq — and soon. The poll is the first of U.S. troops currently serving in Iraq, according to John Zogby, the pollster. Conducted by Zogby International and LeMoyne College, it asked 944 service members, “How long should U.S. troops stay in Iraq?” Only 23 percent backed Mr. Bush’s position that they should stay as long as necessary. In contrast, 72 percent said that U.S. troops should be pulled out within one year. Of those, 29 percent said they should withdraw “immediately.”

Link

Many outside of the administration have developed smart and realistic plans to get us out within a year. Link

Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that the administration would back any such plan, even if the soldiers who are actually making the sacrifices did.
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Reply #51 from JoeUser Forums Top
Let's not get into the multitude of differences between this war and previous wars. It's a different war, these are different times, and these are very different soldiers.
---davad

War is war; it's a dirty, tiring and unpleasant horror. Any differences between wars are purely idealistic, semantic or political.

Maybe he is in favor of the mission, but maybe he's not.
---davad

As I myself said. But also, as I said, neither of us knows for certain how he feels. It was wrong to use that image. Sorry. That's how I feel.

And from looking at the poll results, maybe he doesn't even know what his mission is.
---davad

Maybe not, but to firmly state, factually, that that's how the majority feels is wrong, simply based on the inherent inaccuracy of polls.
Then again, maybe the poll erred in the wrong direction; perhaps 82% or even 92% feel that way. Who knows? Not you, not me.



I would have never used a picture showing the face of a soldier, if I had I could maybe see your point to a degree, but I didn't.
---davad

Personally, I fail to see how that would make a difference.


When they are done, they own the results. They are free to release or not release portions of it.
---davad

Exactly. Depending on their own honesty, views and political ideals, this makes polls of any kind untrustworthy.
Reply #52 from JoeUser Forums Top
This is an interesting poll from one of Zogby's data feeders, because the Army times did their poll in Dec and got this results:

Less then on Year 3.12%
One to Five years: 43.31%
More the Five: 51.46%
On opionon: 2.11%
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Reply #53 from JoeUser Forums Top
This is an interesting poll from one of Zogby's data feeders, because the Army times did their poll in Dec and got this results:

Less then on Year 3.12%
One to Five years: 43.31%
More the Five: 51.46%
On opionon: 2.11%


Lee, do you have a link to that poll data, and what the poll actually was ?
Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top
It is an Army Time Poll. You can access it, only if you subscibt (much like any NewYork Times).Link

It is the 01-09-06 issue. The Article is "Troops Sound Off"

But this is what I have:

On Nov. 14, we mailed questionnaires to 6,000 people drawn at random from our list of active-duty subscribers.

About 4,000 of the 6,000 people who received questionnaires turned out to be on active duty. Of those, 1,215 responded, a 30 percent response rate. The margin of error in the survey is plus or minus 3 percentage points at the 95 percent confidence interval, meaning there is a 95 percent probability that results of the poll are accurate within 3 percentage points.

For the first time in the three-year history of the poll, more than half of respondents said they had deployed in support of the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Here are afew other related findings:

Regardless of whether you think the U.S. should have gone to war, how likely is the U.S. to succeed?

Very likely to succeed 31%
Somewhat likely to succeed 42%
Not very likely to succeed 17%
Not at all likely to succeed 3%
No opinion/no answer 6%


How soon do you think the Iraqi military will be ready to replace large numbers of American troops?

Less than a year 2%
1-2 years 27%
3-5 years 40%
5-10 years 17%
More than 10 years 7%
No opinion/no answer 6%

How long do you think the U.S. will need to stay in Iraq to reach its goals?

Less than a year 2%
1-2 years 11%
3-5 years 35%
5-10 years 30%
More than 10 years 15%
No opinion/no answer 6%

People in the military today are supplied with the best possible weapons and equipment.

Strongly agree 11%
Agree 47%
Disagree 30%
Strongly disagree 9%
No opinion/no answer 3%

Congress has my best interests at heart.

Strongly agree 2%
Agree 29%
Disagree 40%
Strongly disagree 17%
No opinion/no answer 11%

How do you think each of these groups views the military?

Civilians News media Politicians
Very favorable 24% 5% 10%
Somewhat favorable 58% 33% 53%
Somewhat unfavorable 14% 38% 29%
Very unfavorable 2% 24% 6%
No answer 1% 1% 2%

Some people think that by criticizing the military, news organizations weaken the country's defenses. Others think that such criticism helps keep our country militarily prepared. Which position is closest to your opinion?

Weakens defense 62%
Keeps nation prepared 22%
Don't know/no answer 16%

In general, do you think news organizations get the facts straight, or do you thnk their stories and reports are often inaccurate?

Get facts straight 11%
Stories often inaccurate 81%
Don't know/no answer 7%
Reply #55 from JoeUser Forums Top
I have every right to support the troops my way. And the troops every right to be pissed off for being in a politcal mess.
Reply #56 from JoeUser Forums Top
Regardless of whether you think the U.S. should have gone to war, how likely is the U.S. to succeed?

Very likely to succeed 31%
Somewhat likely to succeed 42%
Not very likely to succeed 17%
Not at all likely to succeed 3%
No opinion/no answer 6%


How soon do you think the Iraqi military will be ready to replace large numbers of American troops?

Less than a year 2%
1-2 years 27%
3-5 years 40%
5-10 years 17%
More than 10 years 7%
No opinion/no answer 6%

How long do you think the U.S. will need to stay in Iraq to reach its goals?

Less than a year 2%
1-2 years 11%
3-5 years 35%
5-10 years 30%
More than 10 years 15%
No opinion/no answer 6%

People in the military today are supplied with the best possible weapons and equipment.

Strongly agree 11%
Agree 47%
Disagree 30%
Strongly disagree 9%
No opinion/no answer 3%

Congress has my best interests at heart.

Strongly agree 2%
Agree 29%
Disagree 40%
Strongly disagree 17%
No opinion/no answer 11%

How do you think each of these groups views the military?

Civilians News media Politicians
Very favorable 24% 5% 10%
Somewhat favorable 58% 33% 53%
Somewhat unfavorable 14% 38% 29%
Very unfavorable 2% 24% 6%
No answer 1% 1% 2%

Some people think that by criticizing the military, news organizations weaken the country's defenses. Others think that such criticism helps keep our country militarily prepared. Which position is closest to your opinion?

Weakens defense 62%
Keeps nation prepared 22%
Don't know/no answer 16%

In general, do you think news organizations get the facts straight, or do you think their stories and reports are often inaccurate?

Get facts straight 11%
Stories often inaccurate 81%
Don't know/no answer 7%


You know davad...it's kind of funny how Zogby will "not" release the questions involved in the poll.

I think you'll find the content of this poll to be a bit skewed. From Zogby's own page:


There's nothing in what you pasted that shows anything about this specific poll being skewed.


And no there is nothing "specifically" saying that this particular poll is skewed. However the name of the people who commissioned the poll says alot. Center for Peace and Global Studies at Le Moyne College. It also says a lot when Zogby feels the need to post what he did while talking about the poll you're quoting.
Reply #57 from JoeUser Forums Top
Like I said....skewed! Skewed enough to make Newsweek retract their story on it.
Reply #58 from JoeUser Forums Top
Like I said....skewed! Skewed enough to make Newsweek retract their story on it.


I'm not finding anything about Newsweek retracting their story on this. Have a link?
Reply #59 from JoeUser Forums Top
Steve -

Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.
Reply #60 from JoeUser Forums Top
Like I said....skewed! Skewed enough to make Newsweek retract their story on it.


I'm not finding anything about Newsweek retracting their story on this. Have a link?


Any luck finding that link yet drmiler?
Reply #61 from JoeUser Forums Top
Like I said....skewed! Skewed enough to make Newsweek retract their story on it.


I'm not finding anything about Newsweek retracting their story on this. Have a link?


Any luck finding that link yet drmiler?


Sorry, been having computer trouble. But to answer your question....no there's no link. Something like that would not be considered news worthy. Tell you what, they did run a story about it but I dare you to find it on their site now.
Reply #62 from JoeUser Forums Top
When a major newsmagazine retracts a story like that, it's usually newsworthy. I guess I'll just have to take your word for it.