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February 5, 2006 2:57:39 AM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
Here in Indiana, the 8th Congressional District race have always been tight. Incumbent (R)John Hostetter has won the last three races with 53% or less of the vote. This year looks to be another tight one for Hostetter, as popular Vanderburgh County Sheriff (D)Brad Ellsworth recently announced he'd be running against Hostetter. Based on his popularity, and Hostetter's slim victories in the past, Ellsworth looks to be tough competition.

Enter conservative blogger Joshua Claybourn. A mere three days after Ellsworth announced his candidacy, Claybourn alerted the Louisville Courier-Journal to photos of Ellsworth's 19 year old daughter drinking alcohol at Indiana University. Claybourn apparently was hoping that his "tip" would be anonymous. However, that was not the case and he has since tried to defend his actions on his site by claiming it's relevant because Ellsworth is a law enforcement official.Link

Unfortunately the newspaper decided to run the story. Courier & Press Executive Editor J. Bruce Baumann defended the decision to run the story. "Brad Ellsworth is a sheriff and an officer of the court running for higher political office. His 19-year-old daughter clearly was involved in underage drinking as portrayed by the pictures that she put up on her personal Web site,".

More from the paper;

Even in a hotly contested race, it's unusual for issues like the photographs to surface so early -- nine months before the November general election -- one analyst said.

"A lot of people would expect the rhetoric to heat up after Labor Day and in the final stretch," said Robert Dion, an American politics professor at the University of Evansville. "But my goodness, the first week of February? This year may be tougher than ever."

"Brad Ellsworth is a sheriff and an officer of the court running for higher political office. His 19-year-old daughter clearly was involved in underage drinking as portrayed by the pictures that she put up on her personal Web site," Baumann said.

Ellsworth, 47, who was unopposed in 2002 for a second term as sheriff of the district's largest county, said the issues weren't related.

"This incident has nothing to with the credibility of a candidate. It cheapens the process, and the public deserves better," he told The Associated Press.

The 8th District has been identified by several Washington political reports as one to watch as Democrats attempt to gain control of the House this year.

Previous Democratic candidates have criticized Hostettler as an ineffective congressman who has done little for the district while concentrating on a conservative Christian agenda.

But the Republican has fended off well-funded Democratic challengers to win hard-fought contests by narrow margins in most of his re-election campaigns since upsetting Democratic Rep. Frank McCloskey in 1994.

He won a sixth term in 2004 by defeating Democrat Jon Jennings with 53 percent of the vote.

Karen Hammonds, Hostettler's sister and campaign spokeswoman, said that she had not seen the pictures but that breaking the law should be a concern for anyone.

"It does illustrate the serious consequences of violating the law -- in this case it was underage drinking -- and then flaunting that violation by personally posting them," she said.

Claybourn has a long history of being not much more than a mouthpiece for Hostetter.Link

It's pretty sad the Republican smear tactics have found their way all the way down to the 8th district. But then again, when your candidate is a man who has a record like Hostetter, you need every trick you can find. Hostetter has previously tried to bring a gun on an airplane, opposed any environmental regulation he's ever seen, accused breast cancer victims of having abortions, advocated personal rights to own nuclear weapons, and opposed funding for post-katrina reconstruction. Yes folks, he really is that crazy!
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Reply #1 February 5, 2006 3:39:53 AM
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i hate to say it but hoestetter and claybourn are correct in claiming illegal drinking by a candidate's kid proves the parent is unqualified for public office.

one need look no farther than the lil bush twins for proof.
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Reply #2 February 5, 2006 3:52:20 AM
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one need look no farther than the lil bush twins for proof.
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Reply #3 February 5, 2006 8:56:34 AM
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he has since tried to defend his actions on his site by claiming it's relevant because Ellsworth is a law enforcement official.

Is Ellsworth an ELECTED law enforcement official?

This is reportage at its lowest. It took me a second (aka more than cursory) read to discover what this had to do with blogging, but now I see. This guy thinks he was doing the town a public service? Or maybe he just has an axe to grind. Or maybe he's hoping to curry some political favor from Hostetter?

I'm just looking for motive. He obviously had opportunity.
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Reply #4 February 5, 2006 9:52:59 AM
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i hate to say it but hoestetter and claybourn are correct in claiming illegal drinking by a candidate's kid proves the parent is unqualified for public office.

one need look no farther than the lil bush twins for proof.


Since "BOTH" the twins are of "legal" drinking age, this shows what? They were born in 1981. That would make them 25 years old. So your comment is not based on any fact. But merely on your misinformed opinion.
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Reply #5 February 5, 2006 10:49:36 AM
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Since "BOTH" the twins are of "legal" drinking age, this shows what? They were born in 1981. That would make them 25 years old. So your comment is not based on any fact. But merely on your misinformed opinion.


I think it was a joke.
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Reply #6 February 5, 2006 11:03:58 AM
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Is Ellsworth an ELECTED law enforcement official?


Yes, he is.

This guy thinks he was doing the town a public service? Or maybe he just has an axe to grind. Or maybe he's hoping to curry some political favor from Hostetter?

I'm just looking for motive. He obviously had opportunity.


If you look through some of the links at google, you'll see that he has a very close relationship with Hostetter.
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Reply #7 February 5, 2006 11:05:02 AM
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Yes Dave, the Sheriff is an elected job, and he is running for higher office. Although what his daughters do in Bloomington really has no bearing on his qualifications for office.
Since i have ties to this area I am going to have to do a little research on these clowns.
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Reply #8 February 5, 2006 1:28:42 PM
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Since "BOTH" the twins are of "legal" drinking age, this shows what? They were born in 1981. That would make them 25 years old. So your comment is not based on any fact. But merely on your misinformed opinion.


you're not only a little too quick to proclaim your own ignorance, but also seem to suffer from the jenna bush convenient memory lapse syndrome.

on may 16, 2001 jenna bush pled no contest to a class c violation of the texas alcoholic beverage code (minor in possession of alcohol) and was sentenced to 8 hours of community service and 6 hours of alcohol awareness education.

apparently she didn't learn nothin or she did, but very quickly forgot it.

on may 29, 2001, police in austin, tx were called by the owners of a club where jenna bush (while accompanied by her secret service escort) was trying to use id belonging to someone else to purchase alcohol. both girls were cited for class c violations of the tabc. on june 7, 2001, barbara pled no contest to being a minor in possession of alcohol and received a deferred adjudication conditional on performing 24 hours of community service and attending an alcohol awarenes class.

in 1999, governor george bush signed off on a change to the texas transportation code that raised use of a false id from a class c to class b misdemeanor. between september 1, 1999 when the change went into effect and may 31, 2001, 67 people who attempted to use false id to buy booze in austin were charged with a class b offense.

amazingly (!) jenna bush was the only person cited for a class c violation for using false id during that same time period.

on july 6, 2001, jenna was convicted of using false identification to illegally obtain alcohol and for minor in possession. she was fined a total of $600, ordered to perform 36 hours of community service, attend an alcohol victim's group session and her drivers license was suspended for 30 days.
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Reply #9 February 5, 2006 2:42:26 PM
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illegal drinking by a candidate's kid proves the parent is unqualified for public office.


What a load of bullflop! Are you a parent kingbee? Heck, do you remember what it was like to be 19? Just because a 19yr old college student who, btw, is a legal adult so daddy has no control over her life, experiments with alcohol at college (gee, only terrible people do that!),it doesn't mean squat about the father's qualifications as a parent or as a public official. If that is the worst thing they can scrape up about him, I would say he is outstanding!

People throwing rocks from their glass houses everywhere
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Reply #10 February 5, 2006 3:32:31 PM
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BOTH parties now specialize in dirty tricks, it's disgusting the way the right and left behaves.
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Reply #11 February 5, 2006 3:34:26 PM
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A few links to aid the understanding of kingbee's initial post:


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Reply #12 February 5, 2006 4:04:41 PM
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A few links to aid the understanding of kingbee's initial post:


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Reply #13 February 5, 2006 4:07:55 PM
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Ohhhh... I get it. Sarcasm. I *NEVER* use sarcasm.
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Reply #14 February 5, 2006 4:34:42 PM
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Are you a parent kingbee?


would it have been funnier if i had kids?
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Reply #15 February 5, 2006 4:49:25 PM
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kingbee cannot help himself after all he is a california liberal.
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Reply #16 February 5, 2006 10:03:29 PM
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would it have been funnier if i had kids?


No because it wasn't funny either way. I enjoy sarcasm. I use it quite often....in verbal discourse. Typing sarcasm without any sort of clues as to where you are coming from is a different story.

Since I found both examples given as despicable, and I am aware of people who truly see it that way, I couldn't help but respond in the manner in which I did.

Since davad said he thought it was a joke but kingbee did not confer but rather continued to argue the point about the Bush twins, it wasn't obvious that it was a statement made in jest.


kingbee cannot help himself after all he is a california liberal.


That explains it!
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Reply #17 February 5, 2006 10:14:04 PM
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Sometimes the people without children make themselves pretty obvious.
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Reply #18 February 5, 2006 10:52:49 PM
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kingbee cannot help himself after all he is a california liberal


help myself do what? keep from making fun of the hoosier so-called conservative, the indiana republican representative and the newspaperman who can't separate his bias from the facts, all three of whom seem to be working in concert to put forth a claim the sheriff's daughter's behavior should disqualify her father as a candidate?

well, excuuuuuuuuse me.
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Reply #19 February 5, 2006 11:01:01 PM
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Since davad said he thought it was a joke but kingbee did not confer but rather continued to argue the point about the Bush twins, it wasn't obvious that it was a statement made in jest


i didn't continue to argue anything. drmiler, blundering and blustering as usual, called me a liar. i was merely introducing him to the wonderful world of facts.
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Reply #20 February 5, 2006 11:03:22 PM
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i didn't continue to argue anything. drmiler, blundering and blustering as usual, called me a liar. i was merely introducing him to the wonderful world of facts.


Of course drmiler has been conspicuously absent from that point on.

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Reply #21 February 5, 2006 11:08:06 PM
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Sometimes the people without children make themselves pretty obvious


i have no idea whether clairbourn, hostetter or baumann (the three righties who're trying to make the 'fathers are responsible for the sins of the child' argument stick) have kids, but if that's the sense of them you have, i'm willing to stipulate...while noting the clueless are far more easily recognizable than the childless.
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Reply #22 February 5, 2006 11:22:18 PM
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well, excuuuuuuuuse me.


I do my friend, I do.

MM walks away feeling very superior... heh heh heh
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Reply #23 February 6, 2006 12:28:16 AM
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Kingbee

Since davad said he thought it was a joke but kingbee did not confer but rather continued to argue the point about the Bush twins, it wasn't obvious that it was a statement made in jest


i didn't continue to argue anything. drmiler, blundering and blustering as usual, called me a liar. i was merely introducing him to the wonderful world of facts.


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i didn't continue to argue anything. drmiler, blundering and blustering as usual, called me a liar. i was merely introducing him to the wonderful world of facts.


Of course drmiler has been conspicuously absent from that point on


I'll take apologies from BOTH of you clowns, since "I" NEVER said this! This post is from JillUser!


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would it have been funnier if i had kids?


No because it wasn't funny either way. I enjoy sarcasm. I use it quite often....in verbal discourse. Typing sarcasm without any sort of clues as to where you are coming from is a different story.

Since I found both examples given as despicable, and I am aware of people who truly see it that way, I couldn't help but respond in the manner in which I did.

Since davad said he thought it was a joke but kingbee did not confer but rather continued to argue the point about the Bush twins, it wasn't obvious that it was a statement made in jest.


kingbee cannot help himself after all he is a california liberal.


That explains it!
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Reply #24 February 6, 2006 1:02:14 AM
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I'll take apologies from BOTH of you clowns, since "I" NEVER said this! This post is from JillUser!


Clowns? It wasn't her post we were referring to, you monkey, it was yours! This one;

Since "BOTH" the twins are of "legal" drinking age, this shows what? They were born in 1981. That would make them 25 years old. So your comment is not based on any fact. But merely on your misinformed opinion.


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Reply #25 February 6, 2006 1:54:35 AM
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In light of the right's attack on politicians who serve in the armed services, such as questioning Kerry's Purple Hearts and now Murtha's, it's simply par for the rough course. Jest or not, bringing up the Bush twins was in bad taste--especially for a Cal Dem.
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