These are the ones that Support our Troops

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein24jan24,0,4137172.column
from JoeUser Forums

We here it every day.  "we support the troops, not the war.".  And I think some of them are sincere.  And we try to believe that the Mainstream Media is of a like mind. We try, but then for those of us how think that, we are just fooled again.  Fooled by the MSM we try to excuse at every opportunity.

I DON'T SUPPORT our troops. This is a particularly difficult opinion to have, especially if you are the kind of person who likes to put bumper stickers on his car. Supporting the troops is a position that even Calvin is unwilling to urinate on

The rest is just standard ignorant diatribe.  It is linked so read it at your will.

In one respect, he is much better than his masters.  He is honest.  Small consolation tho for caring people.

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
He (Joel Stein)used to write funny pieces for the back of Entertainment Weekly, which I really enjoyed. As you can tell from his writing, he has no business writing about serious issues. Even the very liberal Media Matters website protested the LA Times hiring him to do editorials...that shoudl tell you something.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
I can't agree with him. I know that you can support the troops, but not the war, since I supported the troops in Operation Just Cause (Panama), but thought the whole thing was nothing but showboating. I mean, we already had thousands of troops in Panama, why stage an "invasion".

Futhermore, when I saw orders being cut, backdated so that paratroopers could get awarded with their "mustard stains" (a gold star on their jumpwings, signifying that they had jumped into a combat zone) even though they jumped a few days AFTER the only hot drop zone was secured; and other BS, it further fuelled my lack of support for the "operation".

But then again, what is the main purpose of the 82nd Airborne Division. I used to call them, "America's Bicept", because if the government wants to flex its muscle in the international arena, there are few organizations flashy and cocky enough to match them, few can out fight them, and there is nothing (and I mean NOTHING) Silent about them! Hoo~AH!!! ;~D
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Ahhh, Operation Just Cause...the good old days. I was deployed to Panama for Just Cause and stayed there for 6 months afterwards training panamanian soldiers on how to be cops. The "invasion" was indeed pretty silly, but those truly were the best 6 months of my life. I'll never have as much fun as I had down there.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top

Even the very liberal Media Matters website protested the LA Times hiring him to do editorials...that shoudl tell you something.

That then calls into question the mentatlityof the leadership of the paper.  And their objectivity

Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well, maybe it serves as an indication that their wheels no longer spin to the right OR left exclusively.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
When I say I support the troops not the War I mean that I have a respect for our military that says do not put them in harms way unless we are in grave danger and there is NO OTHER OPTION.

The Iraq War was NEITHER. It is time to support our troops by removing them from Iraq within 6-12 months and allow the Iraqi people to defend their country.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
The Iraq War was NEITHER. It is time to support our troops by removing them from Iraq within 6-12 months and allow the Iraqi people to defend their country.


Does this mean you are going to stop crying about being in Iraq for the next 6 to 12 months? While your at it, you should stop B-ching about what happens over there over the next 6 to 12 months.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
When Bush sets a time table to get out of Iraq. No more when the Iraqi Army can take over. That may be NEVER! I will not complain about Bush just as soon as he does things that help solve our countries problems. Look at the latest issue:

Bush Plan to Rebuild Iraq Riddled with Waste and Fraud
Bush former campaign workers at fault

By COL Gene
Posted Monday, January 30, 2006 on Bush Truth
Discussion: Politics





The results of the first Audit of our Iraq rebuilding program were released by the U S Inspector General for Iraq. The deficiencies are astounding. Tens of Millions of our tax dollars were totally wasted. The issues include both incompetence and fraud. The auditors found the inexperienced American Officials including workers from the Bush election campaign are responsible. In one program dealing with rebuilding oil revenue auditors were unable to account for $97 Million of the $120 million dollar project. The auditors concluded, those deficiencies were so significant that we were precluded from accomplishing our stated objectives.

Another example of how George W. Bush abused his power to appoint political cronies that were incapable of meeting the responsibilities of the offices to which they were appointed by Bush! Another FEMA!
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
I know of folks that support our troops in various ways, but disagree with the war on various levels. By their lack of public actions they make it clear they understand how fragile and important moral can be with of our troops. JS is nothing more then a typical media liberal that reflects little or no regard for those putting their lives on the line so he can set at his kitchen table and spout off.

For the above reason, I quit reading the LA & NY times many years ago. Their writers take full advantage of their contributing roll and strike out without concern.

Guy, I have to ask have you run out of reading material in your local?

The Iraq War was NEITHER. It is time to support our troops by removing them from Iraq within 6-12 months and allow the Iraqi people to defend their country.

Not sure your paying much attention but that's been GWB's intent from the beginning. Course, like all decisions and goals, they must be dynamic.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top

Well, maybe it serves as an indication that their wheels no longer spin to the right OR left exclusively.

I think the hampster died.

Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top

Does this mean you are going to stop crying about being in Iraq for the next 6 to 12 months?

Not a chance.

Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top

Guy, I have to ask have you run out of reading material in your local?

The local paper is not fit to line bird cages!

Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
When Bush sets a time table to get out of Iraq. No more when the Iraqi Army can take over. That may be NEVER! I will not complain about Bush just as soon as he does things that help solve our countries problems.


You ignorance is showing Col. It is obvious that a time table can not be set because the things going on in Iraq are not happening on a time basis. Terrorist do not attack on a specific time everyday. This is not tea and biscuits Col. This is not a 9to5 job Col, this is not a rocket lauch to Mars. Who knows, this could all stop tomorrow, who's to say. Grow up man.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
Look at the latest issue:

Bush Plan to Rebuild Iraq Riddled with Waste and Fraud
Bush former campaign workers at fault


BTW Col, be respctful and post your articles in your own blog. What's wrong, one of your articles is going down the drain with 0 replies that you felt the need to post it here to push your single-minded stories? Take this as a lesson and try to learn to make a decent debate rather than ignore everyone and repeat your point over and over like a broken record.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
I will also take this as a lesson and not post on your articles anymore.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
DJBandit
On the Blog that had no responses that just means there is no argument with the facts I presented.

Timetables are part of any effective planning. Open ended policies are NOT used by successful enterprises. Setting a timetable provides the ability for us to plan and gives the Iraqi government a time period so they can taking care of their affairs. In 6-12 months we will have been in Iraq 3-4 years. That is MORE then enough time for them to take charge of their own affairs!
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top

Terrorist do not attack on a specific time everyday

I thoughtit was just after tea and crumpets!

Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top

I will also take this as a lesson and not post on your articles anymore.

What lesson?  COl Klinks?

Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
On the Blog that had no responses that just means there is no argument with the facts I presented.


And you call Bush arrogant? Don't flatter yourself too much. An unreplied article can also mean that people are just not interested in what you had to say or are just plain bored or your commentaries.

Timetables are part of any effective planning. Open ended policies are NOT used by successful enterprises. Setting a timetable provides the ability for us to plan and gives the Iraqi government a time period so they can taking care of their affairs. In 6-12 months we will have been in Iraq 3-4 years. That is MORE then enough time for them to take charge of their own affairs!


Giving time tables can also induce people to rush to get things done and in turn doing things too fast can cause problems that could have been seen had it been done in a proper speed. Time tables only cause people to do actions in a rush and that is not good. things should be do properly not in a rush. Everyone knows that doing things in a rush is usually a bad thing, look at eating in a rush, running to fast in a marathon, speeding at the last minute in traffic. Need I say more? You, of all people, having military and business experience should know better. But what can I expect from someone who wants to only justify an argument to blame it on Bush and nothing else. Your a sad person if you ask me.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
I will also take this as a lesson and not post on your articles anymore.

What lesson? COl Klinks?


yes. What I said on #14. I am learning.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
I'm not advocating that we spit on returning veterans like they did after the Vietnam War, but we shouldn't be celebrating people for doing something we don't think was a good idea. All I'm asking is that we give our returning soldiers what they need: hospitals, pensions, mental health and a safe, immediate return. But, please, no parades. This is a reasonable comment. BUT I cannot agree with this:But blaming the president is a little too easy. The truth is that people who pull triggers are ultimately responsible, whether they're following orders or not. Most of the troops are just kids who are trained to follow orders--country, right or wrong. It's like saying COnfederate kids were responsible for the immorality of its politicians.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
That is MORE then enough time for them to take charge of their own affairs!
Capital, I concur.
I know of folks that support our troops in various ways, but disagree with the war on various levels. By their lack of public actions they make it clear they understand how fragile and important moral can be with of our troops.
Right on!

I know that you can support the troops, but not the war, since I supported the troops in Operation Just Cause (Panama), but thought the whole thing was nothing but showboating. I mean, we already had thousands of troops in Panama, why stage an "invasion".
Good thinking!
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
For anyone not interested in how Bush has misspent their tax dollars in rebuilding Iraq, I guess they will ignore the results of Inspector General. How all you conservatives opposed to being taxed can accept what Bush is doing with you taxes is beyond me
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top

Most of the troops are just kids who are trained to follow orders--country, right or wrong. It's like saying COnfederate kids were responsible for the immorality of its politicians.

Or that all Confederate soldiers owned and supported slavery?

Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
For anyone not interested in how Bush has misspent their tax dollars in rebuilding Iraq, I guess they will ignore the results of Inspector General.

COL, COL, COL... you're not thinking this through enough. This is not a Bush cover-up. If Bush was really trying to cover this up, would he have allowed his Inspector General to go public with such a tale?

I don't post on COL Gene's posts any more because it's not making a dent in his incredibly thick noggin. Nothing I say or do can dissuade him from his premises, no matter how far-fetched or tenuous his crackpot ideas. Everything's about Bush, blame Bush, and no one can convince him otherwise.

I'll just let his articles sink to the bottom, thank you very much.