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Democracy in Middle East Shows Flaw in Bush Policy

January 26, 2006 8:20:50 AM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums


Recent votes in Egypt, Lebanon and Iraq have shown the truth of that old saying, "Be careful what you ask for". Bush has been telling us that the answer in the Middle East is to give the people a choice in democratic elections. The elections so far have placed factions in power that are the source of the terrorism.

Yesterday 78 % of the Palestinian voters provided proof that the Bush Policy of "spreading democracy" is not the way to end the terrorism. The results show that the radical faction Hamas has WON the election and will control that government. Now we have a terrorist group chosen by the majority of the people as their government. Now what? What will Bush do now that his policy has given a choice to the people and their choice make the problem worse? Bush has said we will not deal with any government headed by Hamas. What will happen if the ultimate government in Iraq becomes like the government in Iran? This is the policy that has cost America over 2,300 Military, killed 30,000 people in Iraq, Injured 35,000 Americans and cost so far about $300 billion with a lot more to come!
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Reply #1 January 26, 2006 8:55:51 AM
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yep that's all powerful President Bush, in your demented mind he even takes the blame for how palestinians vote.

But of course if the FATAH party took power you would be saying "BUSH puppet government takes control"

I must admit you are consistent, a consistent left wing moron.
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Reply #2 January 26, 2006 9:12:03 AM
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No matter what happens you find an answer to support Bush. It is HIS policy that says GIVE THE PEOPLE in the Middle East the vote. OK has that policy moved us closer to stopping the VIOLANCE? HELL NO!
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Reply #3 January 26, 2006 9:29:14 AM
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At least what policies I support Bush on has sound reasoning behind it, as does the things I do not support Bush for, reason ,not blind hatred like you gene.

I agree with many policies Bush has and disagree with many moves he has made, but you? ALL you do is blame Bush for everything,

Jock itch? Bushes fault, a child dies from starvation, Bushes fault, A man with aids has unprotected sex with someone, Bushes fault, A satellite bumps into another one, Bushes fault, takes too long to shave. bushes fault, toilet will not flush, bushes fault, you cannot get an erection, bushes fault, Did not catch fish while fishing, bushes fault, You do realize NO ONE HERE TAKES you serious? you are a joke politically and personally. Also you reflect badly on the veterans here,
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Reply #4 January 26, 2006 9:50:33 AM
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It is HIS policy that says GIVE THE PEOPLE in the Middle East the vote. OK has that policy moved us closer to stopping the VIOLANCE? HELL NO!


Col, the people voted, that is a huge accomplishment. Now if the people choose a terrorist government then the people themselves should be considered terrorists themselves. Bush has given people the chance to vote, who they vote for is up to themselves. I guess you would rather have someone like Arafat still in control.

As it's typical with you liberals, if it's not perfect, then it's just not worth it.
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Reply #5 January 26, 2006 10:02:08 AM
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The people voted in Germany in 1932 for Hitler! This is not because I do not like Bush the person. I know the policies of this man are wrong and not solving the issues at hand. Not taking me seriously is not the issue; it is the almost TOTAL failure of the policies we are following that SHOULD be of concern!
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Reply #6 January 26, 2006 10:11:05 AM
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So here we have a terrorist group now leaders of an entire country. Is that really a bad thing? I mean we can't get to Hamas cause like Bin Laden they were hard to find. Now they are the Gov't of Pakistan. Sounds like they just made it easier for us to get to them and gave the world more reasons to keep fighting terrorist. It seems that now no one will be able to deny the terrorist threat to the world.

The way I see it, they just made it easier for us to fight them. If only Bin Laden ran for Gov't and won we would know exactly where to look for them. Now Hamas will have to answer to the International community. I think this was a bad move if you ask me for Hamas.
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Reply #7 January 26, 2006 10:16:12 AM
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This is not because I do not like Bush the person. I know the policies of this man are wrong and not solving the issues at hand. Not taking me seriously is not the issue; it is the almost TOTAL failure of the policies we are following that SHOULD be of concern!


This is all about your hatred for Bush. You know nothing else. You TOTALLY IGNORE EVERYTHING people post to you that conflicts with your hatred.

There is nowhere near a total failure of policies col. People in the Middle East voting is a victory. However, this just shows that islam is a terrorist organization and should be dealt with appropriately.
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Reply #8 January 26, 2006 10:36:19 AM
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Now we have a terrorist group chosen by the majority of the people as their government. Now what?


The previous Arab Palestinian government was also a terrorist group.

I support the Arab Palestinians' right to choose which terrorist group should command their attacks on Israel.
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Reply #9 January 26, 2006 11:15:04 AM
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QV my article in a similar vein but with different thoughts.
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Reply #10 January 26, 2006 11:44:22 AM
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The previous Arab Palestinian government was also a terrorist group.

I support the Arab Palestinians' right to choose which terrorist group should command their attacks on Israel.


Good one. He makes it sound like Pakistan was a good country gone bad because of us. Shows how little he knows. They just changed one trigger-happy lonatic group for another. Remember what we see as bad people they see as freedom fighters and what they see as bad people we see as good people.
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Reply #11 January 26, 2006 11:54:50 AM
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Ummm... Pakistan != Palestine
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Reply #12 January 26, 2006 11:59:22 AM
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For anyone that believes electing Hamas as the majority in Palestine is helping secure peace, you are truly in a different world. Guess what we do not have the resources to attack anyone else including Hamas. In addition if the US or Israel were to attack the Palestine’s it could trigger a movement by the other Moslem states that would make the insurrection in Iraq look mild in comparison.

Even in the countries where we have a working relationship with the government, we do NOT have the support of many of the people in these countries. Look at what has taken place in Pakistan from killing about a dozen Moslems. Demonstrations and support for bin laden. Our policy is not working and the danger grows every day!
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Reply #13 January 26, 2006 12:08:34 PM
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Ummm... Pakistan != Palestine


My mistake. Wrong name. Hey, I'm human.
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Reply #14 January 26, 2006 12:21:17 PM
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For anyone that believes electing Hamas as the majority in Palestine is helping secure peace, you are truly in a different world.


There has never been a peaceful government in so-called palestine. Nothing new there.


Guess what we do not have the resources to attack anyone else including Hamas. In addition if the US or Israel were to attack the Palestine’s it could trigger a movement by the other Moslem states that would make the insurrection in Iraq look mild in comparison.


We have plenty of resources col. Let the arabs try to attack Israel again. They will just lose more land this time. Also col, the "insurrection" in Iraq is not as big as you make it.


Even in the countries where we have a working relationship with the government, we do NOT have the support of many of the people in these countries. Look at what has taken place in Pakistan from killing about a dozen Moslems. Demonstrations and support for bin laden. Our policy is not working and the danger grows every day!


I never seen anybody so out of touch with reality. We do not have the support because islam is the problem. There is no other policy except surrender to islam. While I'm sure you wouldn't mind that most people don't want that. We tried in the 90's to appease and "not to offend" anyone in the arab world, but that only showed our weakness and made us a bigger target. So either way, you fight or don't fight, they don't like it.
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Reply #15 January 26, 2006 12:25:36 PM
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For anyone that believes electing Hamas as the majority in Palestine is helping secure peace, you are truly in a different world.


Where in the world did you get such a stupid idea like this? Are you that desperate to challenge people and prove a point that now you resort to making up things that no one has said? Oh wait, that's what you always do.

Guess what we do not have the resources to attack anyone else including Hamas.


True, doesn't we we won't try if we have to. Besides this should be concerning the rest of the world as well. In case you haven't noticed it is not the US who is facing Iran over this unranium dilemma. At least not just us.

In addition if the US or Israel were to attack the Palestine’s it could trigger a movement by the other Moslem states that would make the insurrection in Iraq look mild in comparison.


I really wish you stop acting as if the US is going around waging war against innocent countries who are doing nothing but feeding bunnies and loving each other.

Even in the countries where we have a working relationship with the government, we do NOT have the support of many of the people in these countries. Look at what has taken place in Pakistan from killing about a dozen Moslems. Demonstrations and support for bin laden. Our policy is not working and the danger grows every day!


Our policies are not working because people like you don't give it the benefit of the doubt and are constantly criticizing anything done. One things does not go according to plan and you quickly call it a failure. First you start by saying it will never work, then you say I don't see any results when it's to premature to say, then one thing goes wrong and that's it, we failed. Ofcourse along the line you discard anything good that came out of it cause even 1 bad thing can outweigh 1000 good things.

Everything in life has pros and cons Col. We have to learn to live with both. This site has pros and cons, pros: we can express ourselves, cons: we have to deal with you. See what I mean?
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Reply #16 January 26, 2006 12:37:48 PM
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Yesterday 78 % of the Palestinian voters provided proof that the Bush Policy of "spreading democracy" is not the way to end the terrorism.

Bush's policy of bullying nations promotes terrorism. Iranians saw what we did to Iraq and as a result, voted in a raving lunatic because they felt he would stand up to the U.S. The Palestinians voted in a terrorist organization for the same reason. They see Israel and the U.S. as one entity.

There's not a whole lot of difference between these radical Middle East leaders and Bush. They are all religious fanatics who gained their power by spreading fear and hatred, and capitalizing on the ignorance of the weak minded.
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Reply #17 January 26, 2006 12:48:06 PM
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People like me have NOTHING to do with the failure of our policies. The reason the policies are failing as they do not acknowledge the reality of the situation. The truth is that most of the people in the Moslem world do not hold the principals that we believe in are important for them.

The prior government in Palestine was at least talking with the U S and Israel. A government headed by Hamas is a government that both Israel and Bush have said they will not deal with. If a conflict emerges from this election, we will need a draft because we do not have the ground forces and we also do not have equipment for ground operations to begin fighting in other countries. WE could be in conflict in not less then three countries- Iraq, Iran and Palestine all at the same time!
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Reply #18 January 26, 2006 1:18:51 PM
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People like me have NOTHING to do with the failure of our policies. The reason the policies are failing as they do not acknowledge the reality of the situation. The truth is that most of the people in the Moslem world do not hold the principals that we believe in are important for them.


Of course people like you are part of past failures. Appeasement doesn't work. Surrendering doesn't work. I bet you have no idea what the people in the muslim world think. And actually col, the policies are not failing. I see you overlook all the successful elections in Iraq and Afghanistan. However, if it was up to you, all those people would still be living in tyranny. Thanks col. I hope on day you talk to an Iraqi face to face and tell them this war was wrong.


The prior government in Palestine was at least talking with the U S and Israel.


The "prior" government in palestine was barely a government. The PM had absolutely no control of their so-called land.


If a conflict emerges from this election, we will need a draft because we do not have the ground forces and we also do not have equipment for ground operations to begin fighting in other countries.


Oh here you go again with your draft bs. You have been saying that for how long? There was no draft when you said it last time, and there will not be a draft this time.

This is great col. The government hasn't even formed and you are already predicting war. How clueless you really are.
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Reply #19 January 26, 2006 2:03:03 PM
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Bush's policy of bullying nations promotes terrorism.


Is that why Jordanians and Moroccans organise mass demonstrations against Al-Qaeda?


Iranians saw what we did to Iraq and as a result, voted in a raving lunatic because they felt he would stand up to the U.S.


And I thought it was because the mullahs barred alternative candidates from running and threatened voters.

Perhaps I'm not understanding Iranian "democracy"?


The Palestinians voted in a terrorist organization for the same reason.


The "Palestinians" voted one terrorist organisation in and another out. That is hardly proof that they became more prone to violence because of the US. Nothing changed, except they voted for a group that is more honest about its goals.
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Reply #20 January 26, 2006 3:45:21 PM
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AND HOW DOES THAT MAKE America SAFER? This spreading democracy that Bush is pushing that has cost us 2,300 lives, 35,000 injuries and over 300 billion dollars has made us safer HOW. Bush and his approach to just about everything have cost this country dearly and will continue to harm us for decades to come! He may be judged by history as one of the worst Presidents in our history!
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