Osama Wants Peace

singrdave

Join Date 07/2004

Osama Wants Peace

Al-Qaeda talking truce with US

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Here's an unexpected turn of events. He claims that despite al-Qaeda's preparations for fresh US attacks, he wants to sue for peace. He claims that he's got several projects underway and the only way we can prevent them from happening is to accede to bin Laden's demands. He claims that he doesn't want to fight any more, but can we take it at face value?

From Yahoo News:
Osama bin Laden warned that al Qaeda was preparing new attacks inside the United States, but said the group was open to a conditional truce with Americans, according to an audio tape attributed to him on Thursday.

"The operations are under preparation and you will see them in your houses as soon as they are complete, God willing," said the speaker on the audio tape, who sounded like bin Laden.

In the tape, broadcast by al Jazeera television, bin Laden said al Qaeda was willing to respond to public U.S. opinion in favor of withdrawing troops from Iraq.

"We have no objection to responding to this with a long term truce based on fair conditions."

It was not immediately known when the tape was recorded. A U.S. counterterrorism official said U.S. intelligence was assessing the tape in an effort to determine its authenticity.

Bin Laden issued an audio tape in April 2004 in which he also offered a truce -- on that occasion to Europe, but not to the United States. Analysts saw the move at the time as an attempt to drive a wedge between the United States and its allies and to scare wavering coalition members out of Iraq.

Bin Laden's last audio tape was in December 2004. The interval between then and now was by far his longest public silence since the September 11 attacks on the United States in 2001.

Wow, what a shocker. It's a surprising turn of events and an intriguing offer. But not believable. "Death to Americans" has been their rallying cry for so long. Why is it suddenly "live and let live"?

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Does this not sound like moveon.org and DNC talking points?

And you don't think that bin Laden could have come up with that on his own? I mean, give the man a little credit. He may be evil and horrible and generally detestable, but the man is no dummy. I'm sure he could have figured that out all on his own.

Of course, there is a sector of the media that thinks that this is horrible for the Dems. The spin in the linked article is blatantly apparent, but it's an interesting theory about how the tape will actually help the Administration. Link

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kingbee

Join Date 04/2004

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a "so good I spat my tea all over my computer screen" button

take your monitor to the cleaner's and send me the bill.

(you're right at the top of my 'people i most enjoy amusing' list)

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interesting theory about how the tape will actually help the Administration.

The point from that Post-Chronicle article is well taken, in that any show of strength for the terrorists will only strengthen our resolve and remind us that the fight is real. Instead of speculating that bin Laden is dead, now more than ever we will need legislation that effectively prosecutes the War on Terror.

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Island Dog

Join Date 06/2003

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And you don't think that bin Laden could have come up with that on his own?

That quote was from al-zawahari, and no I don't think he would have came up with that on his own. He's repeating the same rhetoric from the left. Coincidence? I doubt it.

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and somebody in JU accused me of imagining some ficticious use of"propaganda" by the bacteria. ;~D

if by 'somebody' you mean me, you apparently misunderstood the point i was trying to make. al quaeda apparently pumps out plenty of propaganda but...

okay.

i was gonna go into the part about how no westerner capable of going to the corner alone without a name and address written on a lil note pinned to his or her chest was at risk of being influenced by messages from sheik bin laden or his underlings--thus rendering it effectively inneffectual on our side of the line.

Which is why the only comment I had on the subject was a joke. Like you, I don't think anything Osama says should be taken as anything but, "Western Culture, we want you dead. Embrace Islam, or we will do all we can to destroy you!" Any talk of a "truce" from Bin Laden is a lie, you know it, I know it, and Prs. Bush knows it.

One thing this can do is identify those who think "peace" means "give in at all costs". Other than that, it's great fodder for entertainment. ;~D

Glad to see you were able to catch both the humor, and the friendly ribbing towards yourself.

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Besides, we aren't going to negotiate a truce with a tape. Bin Laden will have to present himself for negotiations if he is really serious, which I have no doubt that he is not.

Good idea! Then when he pops up out of his poop hole, we can nail the SOB!

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It's amazing the power Osama has over the world. All he had to do was make a tape (God knows how old the tape is) and say the worlds peace or truce and he has everyone (Dems, Reps, Cons, Libs) more devided than before even when they all agree (a rare thing) that the tape was bull.

I have to hand it to the guy, he definitely is a genius. He can probably claim "mission complete" with this tape.

Do you all listen to yourselves? And I mean everyone. We are all arguing over a messege, that we all agree is bull, but we just can't resist taking a swing at each other. We finally have one thing we can all agree on, the stupidity of this tape, and yet Osama still manages to keep us divided and you know what they say about Divide.

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Besides, we aren't going to negotiate a truce with a tape. Bin Laden will have to present himself for negotiations if he is really serious, which I have no doubt that he is not.

Good idea! Then when he pops up out of his poop hole, we can nail the SOB!

All I can do is hope and pray and beg that he would do it in front of me.

I would not hesitate for one split second on pulling the trigger!

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If we plan to stay in Iraq until the majority want us to leave, we should have been out about a year ago!

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If we plan to stay in Iraq until the majority want us to leave, we should have been out about a year ago!

The majority of IRAQIS, not the majority of their enemies, Col.

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From my post on Jan 19th on this subject. The Entire Statement is here.
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OK now that I have seen the whole thing finally I can say to answer him "Not no, but HELL no." (my quote)

Comment#1 - He talks about our soldiers? As if he knows the quality and fortitude of our soldiers? He knows NOTHING about our men and women in uniform. They are and will continue to be the finest fighting force in the world. They volunteer for the job and go forth and carry out the mission asigned to them with the best effort they can. As the Warrior Ethos states and we follow in the military: "I will always place the mission first, I will never accept defeat, I will never quit, I will never leave a falen comrade." He attempts to belittle the soldiers and that alone galls the hell out of me.

Comment #2 - Here he accuses the "the US army and its agents" of "These crimes include the raping of women and taking them hostage instead of their husbands. ... The torturing of men has reached the point of using chemical acids and electric drills in their joints. If they become desperate with them, they put the drill on their heads until death." What? Again he talks of our men and women in uniform doing these things? I say to him, we do not stoop to your level. Your "agents" have cut the heads off of helpless men, while they were still alive and then proudly showed it to the whole world! And you accuse us of torture? His "agents" kidnapped and killed women, dragged bodies through the streets and did other acts or barbarians and he talks of our military in such a fashion? I say in answer to this - KISS MY A**!!! Show your head out of your hole if your still alive and fight us like a man, not a rat in a hole afraid of a great eagle that would swoop down and snatch your butt for lunch.

Comment #3 - This statement CONFIRMS the point that Iraq is drawing the terrorist there and away from other points. That has been stated over and over again and only confirms this point the Generals on the ground have been saying.

Comment #4 - The offer of a truce is a farce, as he says that he also says operations are underway to attack America again. And he has no power to enforce this so called truce. If he wanted us to leave Iraq all he had to do was tell the terrorist to stop the attacks, things would quiet down and we would leave. What is so hard to understand about that? Truce< an enemy only offers a truce when they are on the ropes and can not win.

Commnet #5 - Again he threatens us. He ask for a truce in one breath and then tells us he is going to attack us in the other. Well got an answer for you Osama, NO!

After now being able to read the whole thing unedited and in its full length, I say he is weakened, his ability to do the things he says is not there. He has no power to cause or offer a truce. He does confirm that a few things we are doing is working, such as the drawing of the terrorist to Iraq. I think after reading it I have decided to tell Osama to go screw himself. We ARE winning, You are still in a cave hiding, and you will eventually be captured or killed and all the world will see just how powerless you really are becoming. You threaten to attack us here on American soil again, OK, bring it on, and see what happens when you really piss us off.

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From my post on Jan 19th on this subject.

I have gotta say, Shadow, I really enjoyed your take on Osama's tape. It was very well written and quite insightful.
Let's take a look at what you wrote here...

He attempts to belittle the soldiers and that alone galls the hell out of me.

Here he accuses the "the US army and its agents" of "These crimes include the raping of women and taking them hostage instead of their husbands. ... The torturing of men has reached the point of using chemical acids and electric drills in their joints. If they become desperate with them, they put the drill on their heads until death."

He's drilling these lines to stir up controversy regarding the treatment of prisoners at Gitmo. Remember the alleged flushing of the Koran? Caused rioting throughout the Muslim world. He's hoping to tap into that rage and stir up some Islamic violence and outrage.

Comment #3: This statement CONFIRMS the point that Iraq is drawing the terrorist there and away from other points.

Absolutely what we have been trying to tell the good COL the other day: America is safer when the battles are fought overseas.

Yep, it isn't an offer of truce. It's a sign that he's on the ropes and ready to go down for the ten count.

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I say let there be peace talks with Usama, over a nice meal of pork chops,

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let there be peace talks with Usama, over a nice meal of pork chops

With a big glass of vino to wash it down.

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Apparently the CIA dated the audiotape through context clues and references to current events.

They determined the tape was older because they heard Osama screaming "Free Tookie Williams!"

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I am going on a rant, because this whole Osama tape issue makes me so irritated...

Okay, from this audio tape, we now know that OBL is alive. At least the CIA placed the time and date at December of 2005.

The day it was released was hilarious! Watching the MSM talking heads and field reporters salivating over the so-called "truce"! Everyone was falling over everyone else to get to a mike and/or a camera to declare that we had beaten Osama and that he wanted a truce.

As has been mentioned in ShadowWar's great article, I too saw something different in Osama's words. Call it paranoia, call it distrust. Let's look at exactly who Osama was addressing when he made his truce deal. Well, I think he aimed those words at two distinct groups: Middle Eastern Muslims and the Democrats of the United States. He knows those are the only two groups who will believe his "offer".

If JUsers were like the typical American (which I know you are far above, in most cases), you know very little about history. If you do know your history, then you know this is one of the oldest tricks in the art of war. Divide your enemy and instigate a fight within their ranks. It works! And it’s been working, here in America, for one reason: because so much of our "ruling class" has no background in history and the psychology of war.

Osama knew the Democrats and the MSM (one and the same) would jump on this truce idea for no other reason than to beat the President about the head and shoulders with it. Osama also knows there are some lunkheads in America who actually believe he is weak enough to need such an offer.

Listen: OBL is not trying to negotiate from a position of weakness. No, far from it! In fact, it is just the other way around. He may even have the upper hand. Do we know where he is? How close are our precision-guided munitions, anyway? Where are those sleeper cells located within the US?

Suppose the US decided to take him up on that truce offer... who would sign the truce papers? Where would they meet? A nation can only sign agreements with other nations, not with individuals, and not with non-state actors like al-Qaeda.

Osama knows this. He also knows we are not taking his madcap offer seriously. This gives him more ammunition with the Muslims of the Middle East! He can now turn to them and say: "See, I offered a truce to the Americans and they shunned it. They do not want peace. They want war... and they want to destroy you." And they will buy it!

In one hand, OBL holds out the phony offer of a truce, and in the other he held a threat of more lethal attacks inside the US.

So, which is it? A truce or more war? The answer takes no effort to arrive at: more death and destruction. We have no choice. We must keep the Predators flying. We must keep the pressure on OBL and his henchmen, wherever they are in the world. We cannot let our guard down, not for one minute. Therefore the US must respond with a resounding "NO" to OBL and allow him to crawl back into his hole. It is ridiculous to consider the alternative.

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