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Gore Blasts Bush for Wiretapping

Who knew what, when? Gore can answer 'none of the above'.

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January 17, 2006 8:39:02 AM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
In a classic example of "preaching to the choir", Al Gore spoke on MLK Day regarding Bush and wiretapping before a forum of members of the Liberty Coalition, a civil liberties advocacy group, and the American Constitution Society for Law and Public Policy, a liberal legal group. They were on the edge of their chairs while Gore reviled the Bush Administration for what he deemed to be an utter disregard for the Constitution and the laws of the US.

From AXcessNews.com: In speaking before several civil liberty advocacy groups in Washington, former vice president Al Gore criticized President Bush over his administration's policy of evesdropping in on Americans phone conversations without getting a warrant from the court first. Gore said Bush repeatedly broke the law and ignorred people's civil rights in the process, often raising his voice as he blasted the presidency.

Gore called on the attorney general to investigate the matter, recommending further that Congress hold "comprehensive - not just superficial - hearings." The former vice president even blamed telephone companies and said that they should stop cooperating in illegal activities like surveillance without proof of a court order to do so.

It is this same disrespect for America's Constitution which has now brought our republic to the brink of a dangerous breach in the fabric of the Constitution," Mr. Gore said. "And the disrespect embodied in these apparent mass violations of the law is part of a larger pattern of seeming indifference to the Constitution that is deeply troubling to millions of Americans in both political parties."

And Albert Gore Jr. would know what about this whole wiretap scandal? Nothing at all. He's been out of the White House since 2001. Nothing at all, other than what he's read in the New York Times or what he's spoonfed from other pundits that he chooses to believe. At one point he was a heartbeat from the Presidency, and he feels that gives his words regarding the current situation more gravity. But he's so out of the loop that he doesn't know anything that's really going on.

See, what Gore's audience chooses to ignore is that Gore is no longer a part of the administration and therefore would no direct access to information for him to support his claims of the Bush administration breaching Constitutional law. He's just literally echoing what the media has already played up - and the audience bought hook, line, and sinker.

Al Gore has been out of the Washington DC political scene since 2001 and now promotes himself as a professor and entrepreneur, but what he does best is sell his services in speaking engagements - like the one he soapboxed at in DC yesterday.

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Reply #1 January 17, 2006 9:00:33 AM
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Before we blast Bush lets have the courts rule if the President has broken the law!
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Reply #2 January 17, 2006 9:05:19 AM
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I will admit that I don't know much in the way of details with the wiretapping situation. Has it even been established that Americans have been tapped? Some sources I have read stated that there was Intelligence that lead to tapping suspected terrorists.

I do know that there was a whole lot of complaining following 9/11 that the government didn't know about the terrorists living here in the US. If the government is tapping conversations of known terrorists hiding out in the US, is that a bad thing? I think not.

I pity the government if they ever tap my phone. They will get bored to tears with conversations between me and my mom
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Reply #3 January 17, 2006 9:06:13 AM
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Before we blast Bush lets have the courts rule if the President has broken the law!


Very refreshing Col Gene. I totally agree.
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Reply #4 January 17, 2006 9:07:06 AM
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Before we blast Bush lets have the courts rule if the President has broken the law!


Very refreshing Col Gene. I totally agree.
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Reply #5 January 17, 2006 9:13:20 AM
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Before we blast Bush lets have the courts rule if the President has broken the law!


Way to go col! Now THAT I can agree with.
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Reply #6 January 17, 2006 9:19:44 AM
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Before we blast Bush lets have the courts rule if the President has broken the law!


How many articles have you wrote blasting Bush since this so-called scandal appeared? The hypocrisy amazes me.
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Reply #7 January 17, 2006 9:33:10 AM
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Before we blast Bush lets have the courts rule if the President has broken the law!


How many articles have you wrote blasting Bush since this so-called scandal appeared? The hypocrisy amazes me.


How is it hypocritical if a guy changes his mind? Let's applaud an open-minded post from COL Gene, not revile him for it.

Thanks COL. That one sentence has refreshed my view of you.
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Reply #8 January 17, 2006 10:22:33 AM
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Was that really the Col?

As to this non-scandal (it may yet become one, but so far, we have no proof of any law being broken period), I am reminded of the cliche "Fools rush in, where Angels fear to tread".  Now that all the fools are rushing in, we will see whom develops athlete's tongue!

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Reply #9 January 17, 2006 10:31:38 AM
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As to this non-scandal (it may yet become one, but so far, we have no proof of any law being broken period)


But that hasn't stopped people like col from bashing Bush about it.
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Reply #10 January 17, 2006 10:44:37 AM
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It amazes me that Gore believes he has information that is unavailable to the average media hound.

Does he really believe he still has a special "in" at the White House or the intelligence community?
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Reply #11 January 17, 2006 10:51:06 AM
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Before we blast Bush lets have the courts rule if the President has broken the law!


Well, I am impressed. There is always hope for everyone.

I have yet to hear anything about proof of it being illegal or not. So what exactly does Gore (the Inventor of the Internet) know that the Media or the Courts don't? I he gonna run for President again?
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Reply #12 January 17, 2006 10:57:49 AM
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So what exactly does Gore (the Inventor of the Internet) know that the Media or the Courts don't?

He seems to crave the limelight, even if he gets it by making outrageous statements like this.

Is he gonna run for President again?

Wouldn't that be great? The two runners-up in the past two elections, joining forces...
Gore/Kerry in 2008!
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Reply #13 January 17, 2006 11:05:16 AM
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Al Gore is about the biggest jerk ever! He should take a hint from the "Darwin awards"!
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Reply #14 January 17, 2006 11:13:49 AM
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The two runners-up in the past two elections, joining forces...


The democratic party using two losers for their campaign. Sound about right.
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Reply #15 January 17, 2006 11:31:04 AM
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Jill:
Has it even been established that Americans have been tapped? Some sources I have read stated that there was Intelligence that lead to tapping suspected terrorists.

A great question...
There is no definitive statement from the powers-that-be regarding which phones have been tapped or who was targeted. Mostly that's for operational security reasons. It's classified information regarding current intelligence operations.

But there is a lot of paranoia in the media and a lot of people running about saying that the NSA is targeting average Americans domestically, which is completely unsubstantiated (since the administration is staying mum about specifics).

The enlightened, non-hysterical consensus is that the people targeted are terrorists operating both abroad and domestically. And the calls targeted for wiretapping are from overseas to operatives inside the US.
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Reply #16 January 17, 2006 12:11:58 PM
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But there is a lot of paranoia in the media and a lot of people running about saying that the NSA is targeting average Americans domestically, which is completely unsubstantiated (since the administration is staying mum about specifics).


I have to disagree on one thing. It's not paranoia. It's the biased the media has against this administration.
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Reply #17 January 17, 2006 12:30:53 PM
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IslandDod

I have said from day ONE, that the Court should determine IF BUSH BROKE THE LAW. I have not been inconsistent! It appears to many including myself that the 1978 law was not followed. However I also acknowledged I am not a lawyer. I also said this question MUST be answered!
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Reply #18 January 17, 2006 12:47:53 PM
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That's Island Dog col.


I have said from day ONE, that the Court should determine IF BUSH BROKE THE LAW. I have not been inconsistent!


That did not stop you from "blasting" Bush about it.


It appears to many including myself that the 1978 law was not followed.


Who is this "many"? I bet most of them are radical liberals. There is no proof the law was broken, but that doesn't stop people like you from assuming they were.
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Reply #19 January 17, 2006 1:03:15 PM
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Al Gore is about the biggest jerk ever! He should take a hint from the "Darwin awards"!

You're right! He lost to... get this... George W. Bush! Hahahahahah!!!

I saw part of Gore's speech on C-SPAN. He appeared newly invigorated, forceful, and impassioned. He looked like he might have even pulled the stick out of his butt. It could be he's preparing to run again.
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Reply #20 January 17, 2006 1:13:04 PM
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Who is this "many"? I bet most of them are radical liberals. There is no proof the law was broken, but that doesn't stop people like you from assuming they were.


In that I agree. You have made articles assuming Bush is somehow guilty. here are a few exaples of your articles:

Secret Court unaware of Bush Eavesdropping
They want answers



Bush is "BIG BROTHER" according to the New York Times

1984 arrived 17 years late in 2001


And my favorite one:

Bush Violated the Law

Funny thing is that in none of the articles you wrote "lets see what the courts say" or gave any benefit of the doubt that Bush may have not done anything wrong and it was all for the good of the US. You only began to address the issue of "let's see what the courts say" after many concluded that there is nothing concrete to say that Bush actually violated any law, that all the stories were just speculation and basically Bush bashing Like Gore just did recently.
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Reply #21 January 17, 2006 1:18:18 PM
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You're right! He lost to... get this... George W. Bush! Hahahahahah!!!

I saw part of Gore's speech on C-SPAN. He appeared newly invigorated, forceful, and impassioned. He looked like he might have even pulled the stick out of his butt. It could be he's preparing to run again.


Wait is today opposite day or something? Or did someone give Col and Benuser a shakedown?
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Reply #22 January 17, 2006 1:21:49 PM
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In post #20 I meant to say "Col has made articles assuming Bush is somehow guilty."

I could not edit it. Sorry for confusion if any.
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Reply #23 January 17, 2006 1:44:28 PM
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There are a number of Republican members of Congress that question the actions of Bush!
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Reply #24 January 17, 2006 1:47:30 PM
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If it makes you feel better lets just go for impeachment of Bush and Cheney. They have done some many things that have harmed this country I think it is a GOOD IDEA!
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Reply #25 January 17, 2006 1:55:03 PM
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There are a number of Republican members of Congress that question the actions of Bush!


Hey, just because they are Republicans doesn't mean they have to agree with everything. That doesn't make it a crime either.

If it makes you feel better lets just go for impeachment of Bush and Cheney. They have done some many things that have harmed this country I think it is a GOOD IDEA!


And then you ask why people say you are always bashing Bush. You can claim they have done wrong, but that doesn't make it a crime. This is where poeple feel you just act without thinking. Everyone knows that in order to impeach someone they have had to break a law and Bush has yet to do such a thing. When proof is provided that Bush did break a law, you can claim impeachment all you want and people like me will just have to shut up and take it, in the mean time try making better replies.
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