I would argue against treason. Belefonte didn't come out and say Chavez or nothing and his comments didn't take the tone of support this or else commonly found in hate groups. The stance taken against Chavez is strictly by the admin. Chavez has sent in heating oil and has made a public offer of assistance during last year's hurricane so I wouldn't write him off as an enemy of the state quite yet.

You can argue all you wish. I distinctly said "could" not would or can. And thank you btw....I've been waiting for this line to come out. "Chavez sent in NOTHING! He does not run Citgo oil. And Citgo is the one sending in the help with the oil, NOT Chavez!" So please do not try to make him some kind of hero cause it won't fly. That is unless you can show proof that he runs Citgo.

I would argue against treason. Belefonte didn't come out and say Chavez or nothing and his comments didn't take the tone of support this or else commonly found in hate groups. The stance taken against Chavez is strictly by the admin. Chavez has sent in heating oil and has made a public offer of assistance during last year's hurricane so I wouldn't write him off as an enemy of the state quite yet. You can argue all you wish. I distinctly said "could" not would or can. And thank you btw....I've been waiting for this line to come out. "Chavez sent in NOTHING! He does not run Citgo oil. And Citgo is the one sending in the help with the oil, NOT Chavez!" So please do not try to make him some kind of hero cause it won't fly. That is unless you can show proof that he runs Citgo.

What's the matter? No "witty" come-back? To bad, so sad!

A failure or unwillness to communicate is the cornerstone on building a conflict.

The failure is yours.  After your failure, she walked away, washing her hands of you.  Remember the 3 fingers.

What's the matter? No "witty" come-back? To bad, so sad

No I am just taken aback why you wouldn't check out such an easily veriable fact. Here take your pick:
Well either this authour is out to lunch - Link
Or Forbes Magazine is out to lunch;
Link
Or even mighty wikipedia is out to lunch as well;
Link He does have a 50% stake in Citgo and takes a very nationalized approach so I can understand how the previous two authours come their conclusions.

To miss this either suggests a hint of dyslexia or an extreme bias to read what you want to hear. My sympathies.

The failure is yours. After your failure, she walked away, washing her hands of you. Remember the 3 fingers.

All I argued was the premise to disagree, nothing more nothing less. We couldn't even get that far I'm sad to say.

All I argued was the premise to disagree, nothing more nothing less.

All you did was dismiss with the likes of your "absolute crap" comment and condescend. I am willing to communicate, you are unable. That is why I feel it isn't worth my time.

Yes maam. I'll refrain from linking articles, providing traceable google searches and historical quotes immediately. My unwillingness to play ball the cantankerous opt-ed way must be getting the better of me. So sorry.

Yes maam. I'll refrain from linking articles, providing traceable google searches and historical quotes immediately. My unwillingness to play ball the cantankerous opt-ed way must be getting the better of me. So sorry.

You just did it again.  No matter how much you deny it, you are the one that decided only your word was valid, and hers was "just crap". And now you are trying to be condescending as well.  You do that poorly also.

Thanks for backing me up Dr. Guy.  Some people just can't ever see their own faults.

drmiler, I apologize if I have detracted from this discussion.

What's the matter? No "witty" come-back? To bad, so sad No I am just taken aback why you wouldn't check out such an easily veriable fact. Here take your pick: Well either this authour is out to lunch - Link Or Forbes Magazine is out to lunch; Link Or even mighty wikipedia is out to lunch as well; Link He does have a 50% stake in Citgo and takes a very nationalized approach so I can understand how the previous two authours come their conclusions. To miss this either suggests a hint of dyslexia or an extreme bias to read what you want to hear. My sympathies.

I did check it out, you obviously didn't go far enough. Yes Chavez is a major shareholder. But NO he is NOT on the board of directors. So NO he is NOT the one in charge of the relief oil. Just an fyi...shareholders do NOT run a company. They can "suggest" a course of action but that does NOT mean the board must follow it. And you missing this just goes to show your bias not mine. Link

This link goes to the board of directors for Citgo.

Thanks for backing me up Dr. Guy. Some people just can't ever see their own faults. drmiler, I apologize if I have detracted from this discussion.

No problems Jill. Just an fyi... I agree with you.

That is unless you can show proof that he runs Citgo.

And btw "slanderer" you "still" have not shown proof that Chavez runs Citgo Oil.

I just knew you would say that. I'll refer to good ol' dictionary.com to help out.
Nationalized:
To convert from private to governmental ownership and control: nationalize the steel industry.

1. To make national in character, scope, or notoriety: “His high profile on such issues as abortion... has already begun to nationalize his image” (Kenneth L. Woodward).
2. To render distinctively national: characteristics and issues that have tended to nationalize American political life.
Now most reasonable people would assume a 50% stake by a national company as the majority shareholder. Now I can lead this horse to water see, but I can't make it drink....

All you did was dismiss with the likes of your "absolute crap" comment and condescend. I am willing to communicate, you are unable. That is why I feel it isn't worth my time.

It bothers me because the guy is an idiot who lends encouragement to those who wish to do harm the the US and our way of life. I guess if he is allowed to come back to the US and lives, he will have been proven wrong about his statement. Obviously the biggest tyrant and terrorist in the world wouldn't put up with that.

Whose life Jill? You haven't explained why this guy is an idiot. How do you know that his actions are specifically making life tough for you? You've implied he is wrong and then gone on and stated that somehow voicing the complaint is wrong if not on american soil. You have not told any of us why. A gripe is a gripe and location does not affect that. To say nothing more just leaves the pundits open to label this as yet another looney left episode. I refuse to let that happen.

Obviously the biggest tyrant and terrorist in the world wouldn't put up with that.

And you wonder where my sarcasm comes from.....

just knew you would say that. I'll refer to good ol' dictionary.com to help out. Nationalized: To convert from private to governmental ownership and control: nationalize the steel industry. 1. To make national in character, scope, or notoriety: “His high profile on such issues as abortion... has already begun to nationalize his image” (Kenneth L. Woodward). 2. To render distinctively national: characteristics and issues that have tended to nationalize American political life. Now most reasonable people would assume a 50% stake by a national company as the majority shareholder. Now I can lead this horse to water see, but I can't make it drink....

Sorry but this is a pile of do-do! "If" this were a fact and I do stress "if"....Then it would show that on the board of directors. Which they don't so they aren't. Just an fyi....if they want to do business in the US, under US incorperation laws they MUST show all directors which with your logic would include the government of Venezula. And if you bothered to check the link I posted, they ain't there. And "yes" they are an incorperated company in the US.

Obviously the biggest tyrant and terrorist in the world wouldn't put up with that. And you wonder where my sarcasm comes from.....

Mine wasn't sarcasm, it's a fact jack. You are a misguided individual slanderer.