This reminds me somebody.

I would not want our Military to be fighting Terrorists in New York. However the Iraq War has not reduced that possibility!

However the Iraq War has not reduced that possibility!

Ok God! Sorry I questioned you. Did not know you were omniscience.

What you can not show is that the war in Iraq has made the United States safer or less likely to attack by terrorists.

Prove it. I can prove it has. Here is my proof : New York, or the US has not been attacked.

Okay, so two things have occurred within a span of time; you can make the correlation but you can't make the cognitive jump in linking the two since that would require a great amount of speculation and rhetoric.

Here's a brainteaser, provide me the evidence that New York will never be attacked. Feel free to fantasize and regard this question as hypothetical, even. Let's say America stays in Iraq indefinently and that we keep the 'temporary' Patriot Act (with all it's wonderful little sunset clauses that were only made such to keep libertarians at bay) and all the good little executive orders made within the last few years in place - still believe New York is never going to be attacked?

Live in the real world. Shit happens.

I'd push even further and ask what you believe we should do to further 'protect' Americans should yet another terrorist attack occur? 'Cause it's going to occur. Let's not pretend otherwise. What else do you support doing in America to protect Americans?

I know; I'd feel really safe if my government kept me in a 20'X 20' pen, naked, with twenty security cams looking inward to the pen and twenty security cameras looking outside of the pen. Government food will be presented to me daily, checked for my convenience and safety to insure against Al Qaeda poisoning. Twenty microwave lasers strategically positioned around the pen will fry anyone without my and government clearance. I'm safe, right?

Then I manage to trip over my own feet and land smack on my face.

Damn Govt. didn't protect me!

How do you want to live?

With your phone tapped and cameras at every intersection?

Guess what, you're already there.

When will the camera be on your mail box?

When will the camera be in your home?

Some people think things have already gone too far and that we've already ventured far too long down the rabbit hole.

Where did you get that!

I saw that cartoon and it immediately reminded me of col and bs about Iraq. If people like col were around back then we'd all be speaking a different language.

There have been attacks all over the world and Iraq is the HOT bed of terrorist activities since we invaded. The most likely reason we have not been attacked in the U S is because we are doing a better job of preventing attacks. There is NO evidence there have been less attempts or that the underlying desire to attack us is not continuing. In fact, everything shows that the desire to attack the United States is greater then ever.

Thus my point, attacking Iraq has NOT SOLVED THE PROBLEM!

There have been attacks all over the world and Iraq is the HOT bed of terrorist activities since we invaded. The most likely reason we have not been attacked in the U S is because we are doing a better job of preventing attacks. There is NO evidence there have been less attempts or that the underlying desire to attack us is not continuing. In fact, everything shows that the desire to attack the United States is greater then ever.Thus my point, attacking Iraq has NOT SOLVED THE PROBLEM!

You have no factual basis for your suposition.

Facts:
Iraqi Terrorist are being killed/captured in Iraq
Non-Iraqi Terrorist are being killed/captured in Iraq
al-Qaeda is operating in Iraq (See above post, I don't want to have to repost it all.)
The US has not been attacked since we went to War.

Will we ever be attacked again? As I said above, and for your edification, only a fool would say we are never going to be attacked. But then again only a fool would say that for each terrorist captured or killed in Iraq its not one less to possably attack us here at home.

In fact, everything shows that the desire to attack the United States is greater then ever.

Everything does not show that col.

This here is proof that Cols hatred towards Bush and his love for Bush Bashing is not wearing out that he completely changed the topic of this article with this single post:

#18 by COL Gene Monday, January 09, 2006

Most of my facts come from U S Government agencies. I have also used articles from other publications as well. The data I use is correct but the Bushies call it Bush Bashing. A good example is what has happened to the Annual Deficit and the National debt since Jan 2001. 1000 of 1000 people would most likely say the past 5 years have been very bad for our future. That is an example of what JoeUsers would call Bush bashing. I guess that is how you must view the impact of the tax and spending policies we have been following! Reflecting that 3 million people illegally crossed our southern border would also be considered Bush bashing. The 1 million additional Americans that lost healthcare during the past 5 years would also be Bush bashing to JoeUsers. The slaughter in Iraq and the deaths since the last election is most definitely Bush Bashing. The fact we are more dependent of foreign oil today is absolutely Bush bashing.

I do how ever love that first line. Since he is always bashing the Bush Administration. Isn't the Bush Administration part of those US Govt Agencies he gets his info from? How exactly do you trust info coming out of an agency from those who you deem irresponsible?

I always find it amazing how far from the original subject soome of these threads wander. From my original post about body armour to the information above shows just how far off topic some will go to try and defend the view they have when they have nothing to say on the orginal subject matter.

Yes, truly it is incorrect and inappropriate to respond to other points made by other posters that are not within the strict confines of the actual article. Doing so must somehow invalidate and expose those posters of their irrational agenda.

Wel thats an issue you have to deal with, professional help or medication is always available.

Thankfully, my 'condition' doesn't seem to adversely affect you, but your support for policies that amend or abridge my civil liberties handed down through 200 years of American history does provide me with some detriment. Thanks, I guess.


Only a fool would use the word "never".

Okay, yet you insinuate New York has not been attacked because of the Iraq invasion - so if you feel that to be concise, would you not agree that condition will exist indefinently contingent on us staying in Iraq? If not, why? If you can think of a reason, apply that reason to the current state of things and you can understand as to why some of us doubt your extremely 'linear' and perhaps not 'logical' thinking.

Keep in mind, as well, the 'terrorist' forces are not dealing in zero sums, i.e., there is a never-ending supply of terrorists that can always be replenished.

If you are conceding the point that our troops are partially in Iraq to be the 'honey' terrorist 'bees' are drawn to, don't you think there is a smarter way to defend against 'terrorism'. Do you also believe that the bees are not going to go strictly for the drop of honey but also the source? Particularly when it is in abundance.

Hmmm...buzzzy buzzy bee....

I can say this with some amount of logical reasoning and linear thinking.

'Some' being a hell of a qualifier.

Excellent thought!

Thanks, the more people scratch at the surface of this war, the more people will realize the rhetoric provided to justify it's expense simply doesn't balance out - but I'm guessing that'll be another ten years or so from now, and by then, people will only say. "What's done is done" - then fall for yet another unjustified war.

For more information on this pattern look up Leo Strauss and, seperately, Korean War / Gulf of Tonkin at Wikipedia.com . I trust readers will appreciate the eye opening information provided. Learn about the man behind the neo-con movement and understand how the U.S. government has goaded Americans to war before.