Abramoff: A 'Republican' Fund Raiser?

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Over the past several months, we have been regaled by the incompetent mainstream media on how the impending plea bargain by Jack Abramoff was a killer issue for the republicans, since he was a republican fund raiser!  Oh the shame!  The dirt and scandal!  How could those wascally wepublicans get away with this sleaze?

But notice it was only the MSM doing the finger pointing.  Strangely, the democrat leadership has been very silent on the whole Abramoff issue!  Why?  Unlike the lies they spread on Bush, this should be a juicy scandal to exploit!  Especially in an election year!  And they love anything that even has a whiff of scandal (Bush I to Paris before the 80 election!  Reasons for going into Iraq. Ted {hic} Kennedy: Lies, lies, lies).

Well, perhaps the reason they are silent, is like the third Reich at the end of the war, they are too busy burning sensitive documents!  yes!  For it seems that Abramoff is an equal opportunity fund raiser! 40 of the 45 members of the democrat caucus in the senate have benefited from Abramoff's ill gotten booty (or as hawkeye says, ill booten gotti).  And not just chump change either!

One of the best is Harry Reid!  The holier than tho caster of aspersions against anyone not a democrat. (who admits he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer!).  yea, he seemed to pick up some nice pocket change after canvasing the Bureau of Indian Affairs to allow a Casino, and then pocketed 10 grand from a couple of Abramoff clients ("I never met the man!  How did I know where the money came from?")

Ah, so in all honesty, many politicians from both parties reaped rewards from Abramoff, not just republicans.  And the democrats want this to quietly go away as much, if not more, than the republicans.  But their faithful lap dogs in the MSM, who cant get a story straight or tell the difference between an Internet rumor and actual facts, did not get the memo!  So while the MSM is trying to pillory the republicans, the democrats are crossing their fingers and hoping it will go away!

Lap dogs are such great animals!  Loving loyal and kind!  Everyone should have one, as they look up to their masters as demi-gods!  But they are also too stupid to know when the master is trying to shush them!

Oh the irony!  We shall see what comes out now that a plea deal has been reached.  I wonder if any more of Chuckie Cheeses (sorry, Schumer's) staffers are going to fall on the sword on this one!

Bets anyone?

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top

Hmm, what is this I see?

Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) Received At Least – $68,941

Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
It seems that Daschle should also be numbered among the Democrats that received money from Abramoff. See http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079308/from/RL.1/ entitled "Democrats also received money from Abramoff."

But the real issue is Abramoff's relationship with Tom DeLay. In 1997, DeLay called Abramoff "one of my closest and dearest friends." Source: http://www.slate.com/id/2116389

Abramoff is supposed to have recently said "DeLay knew everything. He knew all the details." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7446492/site/newsweek

So we will have to see what the fallout is.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top

So we will have to see what the fallout is.

I dont doubt there are a lot of republicans mixed up with Abramoff as well, after all, the MSM keeps that drum beat up incesantly!

Yet, dont you think it is strange that no democrats are jumping on this bandwagon?  A golden opportunity, and they are mum.  While silence is not admissable in court, it shouts in the arena of politics.

Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yet, dont you think it is strange that no democrats are jumping on this bandwagon?

The majority of the blame will go to Republicans probably because Republican legislators (I think Pres. Bush recently disavowed some $7,000 dollars linked to Abramoff)
received the majority of the comforts but the fact that Democratic legislators also received monies is telling.

Telling us the two party system doesn't work.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
The two party system does not work when one party controls both the legislative and executive braches and is trying to pack the judicial branch as well. We also need to STOP the big money interests from being able to buy what they want at the expense of the average American.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Ah, so in all honesty, many politicians from both parties reaped rewards from Abramoff, not just republicans. And the democrats want this to quietly go away as much, if not more, than the republicans. But their faithful lap dogs in the MSM, who cant get a story straight or tell the difference between an Internet rumor and actual facts, did not get the memo! So while the MSM is trying to pillory the republicans, the democrats are crossing their fingers and hoping it will go away!


while i'm dazzled by the audacity of the spin you're attempting here, ultimately nothing plus nothing equals nothing.

hint: abramoff may have contributed to a lotta people who shoulda been honest or smart enough to have turned him down...but that's hardly the issue is it?

how many democrats benefited from his weekly get-togethers on k street? how many former aides to democrats wound up working for him? how many sweatshop slaves had to abort their children in the mariannas?

oh...and one more question. what was that black hat and trenchcoat all about?
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
oh...and one more question. what was that black hat and trenchcoat all about?

My thoughts exactly.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Apparently it's a traditional garb of the Orthodox Jew, a subculture with which Abramoff at least occasionally identifies.

I assume he was trying to signal that he was serious about the trouble he was in, or something.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
Apparently it's a traditional garb of the Orthodox Jew, a subculture with which Abramoff at least occasionally identifies.


i truly had no idea. i thought he was goin for a boris badanov kinda thing.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
hint: abramoff may have contributed to a lotta people who shoulda been honest or smart enough to have turned him down...but that's hardly the issue is it?


No, but it should be!
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
This one is a dead give away for anyone who questions which side the incompent "press" is on.

This scandal has both sides of the aisle sweating, and rightly so. It isn't a republican or democrat problem, it is a problem to any individual who accepted money from Abramoff. The "press" tries to lump all democrats and all republican members of congress together, but in reality, each is the voice of their state or district. Each has a primary responsibility to their constituants and a SECONDARY responsibility to their party. If they sold that voice to Abramoff, it was because of the party leadership, it was because of a lack of personal intergrity.

Of course the "press" is going to try to spin this into a "republican" problem. They have made it their job to do all they can to ensure Democrat success. The only problem is, reality keeps getting in their way.

The majority of the "press" wouldn't know unless it was printed at the bottom of a bar glass.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top

Telling us the two party system doesn't work.

No, telling us they work the same way.  I dont doubt the republicans will get the majority of the blame for the simple reason the press wants it that way.  But there is a lot of egg to go around on all faces.

Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top

The two party system does not work when one party controls both the legislative and executive braches and is trying to pack the judicial branch as well.

Hmmm, you must be talking about the Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and 2 years of Clinton administration.

Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top

while i'm dazzled by the audacity of the spin you're attempting here, ultimately nothing plus nothing equals nothing.

I am not spinning anything, but it is apparent you are.  I guess you did not get the DNC memo either.  Too bad, I doubt you are important enough to be in the inner circle, just one of their ill informed lap dogs.

Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top

oh...and one more question. what was that black hat and trenchcoat all about?

My thoughts exactly.

Since you raised the question (you and kb), why dont you tell us.

Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top

Apparently it's a traditional garb of the Orthodox Jew, a subculture with which Abramoff at least occasionally identifies.

I had no idea either.  Thanks for that tidbit.

Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top

hint: abramoff may have contributed to a lotta people who shoulda been honest or smart enough to have turned him down...but that's hardly the issue is it?


No, but it should be!

Long before Abramoff, we already knew that politicians were not the smartest cookies in the bin.

Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top

The only problem is, reality keeps getting in their way.

The majority of the "press" wouldn't know unless it was printed at the bottom of a bar glass

Very true!  They have lost the ability to investigate, and now just regurgitate.

Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
Here is a list of congressmen who have been implicated in the scandal:

Tom DeLay (R-TX)
Bob Ney (R-OH)
Tom Feeney (R-FL)
Richard Pombo's (R-CA)
Mike Ferguson (R-NJ)
Byron Dorgan (D-ND)
Conrad Burns (R-Montana)
John Cornyn (R-Texas)
David Vitter (R-Louisiana)
Tom Harkin (D-Iowa)
Charles Grassley (R-Iowa)
William Gormley (R-NJ)

Looks like just a few more republicans than democrats...
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
Here is a list of congressmen who have been implicated in the scandal:

Tom DeLay (R-TX)
Bob Ney (R-OH)
Tom Feeney (R-FL)
Richard Pombo's (R-CA)
Mike Ferguson (R-NJ)
Byron Dorgan (D-ND)
Conrad Burns (R-Montana)
John Cornyn (R-Texas)
David Vitter (R-Louisiana)
Tom Harkin (D-Iowa)
Charles Grassley (R-Iowa)
William Gormley (R-NJ)

Looks like just a few more republicans than democrats...


You aren't getting it are you? What matters about this list? Nothing except for the fact it's "BOTH" sides of the fence! The amount of republicans versus the number of democrats means absolutely "squat"! Since you don't get it let me help ya....... Both sides of the fence have crooks! We know that. We really don't care how much of each there are, just as long as they "all" get what they deserve.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
The two party system does not work when one party controls both the legislative and executive braches and is trying to pack the judicial branch as well. We also need to STOP the big money interests from being able to buy what they want at the expense of the average American.


So Colon "I am a graduate of the U.S. Army War College and a military retiree, but I'm still clueless as to how our government works" Bin Grangrene, which state or Congressional District would you suggest lose its right to elect the candidate of their choice?

You see, (party politics aside), the office of Senator and House Member ARE NOT federal (or party) assignments. They are state and district offices held by those chosen by the people of the State and District.

Nobody sat down and planned a majority for either party, the voters had their say and the majority and minority parties took their places based on that say.

For you to sit and whine about the outcome is proof that, not only are you clueless to the way our system of government works, you aren't mature enough to be able to handle your own freedom.

Aren't you glad people aren't taking away your freedom, even though you can't handle it?
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
You see, (party politics aside), the office of Senator and House Member ARE NOT federal (or party) assignments. They are state and district offices held by those chosen by the people of the State and District.

Nobody sat down and planned a majority for either party, the voters had their say and the majority and minority parties took their places based on that say.


this is so sadly naive (altho commendably idealistic) i'm nearly--but not quite--speechless.

you do realize why delay was indicted? if not, lemme refresh your memory. he allegedly funneled money donated by non-residents of texas to give an edge to republican candidates running for both state and national office.

his actions--should he be convicted--would represent exactly what you're denying could ever possibly happen.
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
while i may not agree with col gene, the colon bin laden gangrene thing has become something which, even if it doesn't violate the tos (as i believe it might; if not, it should) diminishes the quality of the ju experience. it's mean, disrespectful and, worst of all, totally devoid at this point--actually that happened about the third or fourth instance--of whatever sophomoric amusement it once evoked.

each of us has, i'd guess, at least a couple (if not a couple more) ju associates capable and/or seemingly hellbent on aggravating, frustrating, infuriating, etc. us in their own inimitable fashion.

col gene has (to the best of my knowledge) not responded in kind nor even complained about the liberties you take with his nick--which i find impressive cuz i know i woulda done something about it a long time ago if i were him (as you would have, i suspect).

and now i return you to the vitriolic political diatribe... umm i mean well-reasoned and good-mannered debate...part of the program
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
I was talking about the last five years of the Bush Administration as NOT WORKING for the vast majority of Americans.
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
KingBee:

you do realize why delay was indicted? if not, lemme refresh your memory. he allegedly funneled money donated by non-residents of texas to give an edge to republican candidates running for both state and national office.

his actions--should he be convicted--would represent exactly what you're denying could ever possibly happen.


Oh, I don't deny that at all. In fact it is evidence that even the senators and representatives have forgotten their place. The truly sad part is, we have allowed them to. However, that doesn't mean I have to bow to the ignorance and just accept it.

Even if the parties have bastardized the purpose of Congress, and rhetoric has all but removed the members from any responsibility from their votes or public statements, the U.S. Constitution is still viable and it still assigns them the responsibilities from which they hide. It also still reminds them that they work for the people of their district and their states... even if they seem to resent the fact.