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Are Governments Responsible for Our Upkeep?

Are Governments Responsible for Our Upkeep?

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." --preamble, US Constitution

There's a lot of discussion among activists about whether the government bears responsibility for our upkeep. One of the most frequently used cites the preamble to the US Constitution, quoted above, and its clause "to promote the general welfare".

The flaw in their logic is the qualifier "general" before the word "welfare". Roads are "general welfare" because they improve the lives of the whole community rather than a specific individual. Hydroelectric dams, and even certain telecommunications services would qualify as well, because they similarly improve the lives of the whole community (as well as improve means of delivery for defense services, another stipulation in the preamble). Food stamps and  housing subsidies do not, as those are geared at improving the lives of INDIVIDUALS, not the general public.

"Ahhh," the liberal will argue, "but if you improve the quality of life of the poorest among us, you improve the economy as a whole". And, in fact, this is true. The question then becomes whether our current system of subsidies truly improves the quality of life. When I see someone who receives $400 or more a month in food stamps standing in line at the food bank, I'm inclined to think not.

You see, I can give you all the money in the world, but I can't teach you how to spend it. I can't teach you, for instance, that the delayed gratification in getting a 19 inch TV until you can AFFORD the 52 inch big screen will not only save you hundreds of dollars in interest if you buy through the rent to own place or with payday loans, but will, in fact, save you three figures annually on your electric bill. I can't teach you that if you make your food purchasing decisions around the weekly sales flyers and actively hunt down coupons, you can save 50% or more off of your food purchasing costs. I can't teach you how simply replacing your regular light bulb with a compact flourescent will save you FAR MORE than the inflated costs of the flourescent bulbs. Because, you see, those are the kinds of things one only learns if one HAS to live on a limited income. Families who have to struggle from paycheck to paycheck are FAR more likely to acquire the financial stewardship tools that will improve their financial standing over the long term.

An interesting argument entered the discussion today, one from a self professed liberal. The argument was that it was our BIBLICAL responsibility. While wholly ironic when you consider it comes from a representative of the end of the political spectrum that is trying to chase away what they perceive as the "boogeyman" of religion, and who consistently clamour for separation of church and state, we'll consider the argument on its merits: Does the Bible teach that GOVERNMENT is responsible for charity?

Short answer: NO! While it is true that the city of Sodom was destroyed because of its refusal to help the poor and needy (Ezekial 16:49), this is not the compelling case that it appears to be. For, as every Sunday School child in America knows, Abraham pleaded with God, who agreed to spare the city if ten righteous men were found in it. This makes it patently clear that the destruction of Sodom was for the sins of the INDIVIDUALS, and not of the government.

If you feel that the need for the government to keep our homeless off the streets falls under the "general welfare" provision, they should do so in the most cost effective means possible, as they are stewards of the resources they possess. Money should not be given to meet a food or housing shortage, FOOD AND HOUSING should be given to meet a food and housing shortage. And that food and housing should be as basic as possible, with no frills whatsoever. A diet adequate to properly nourish the individual should be provided, and tenements with the barest of necessities. In short, poorhouses. And these poorhouses should be located away from the urban populations where the criminal activities of certain elements among them will not affect the general populace. Those who wish to work should be provided the opportunity and trasnsportation, but should be required to put a portion of their pay into their support within the community.

Frankly, I find the above scenario nightmarish and frightening. I wouldn't want to see it come to pass in any context. But if such programs are the responsibility of the government, it is the government's EQUAL responsibility to ensure that they are enforced with the greatest efficiency. The sad truth of the matter is, we offer better benefits to many of our poor who do nothing to earn their standard of living than we do our armed services personnel, who stand on the wall to defend us. And that should stop.

To answer my title question, I do not believe governments are IN ANY WAY responsible for our personal welfare. I believe that we should encourage private charities to meet the needs of individuals, and let government get on with the business of governing. They're having a hard enough time doing THAT.

 

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Reply #26 Top
The government should do whatever the majority of The People damn well tell them to do.
Reply #27 Top
The government should do whatever the majority of The People damn well tell them to do.


Yeah, because slavery was such a good thing... being a majority demand... right?
Reply #29 Top

The marginal propensity to consume is part of economics that shows you will spend LESS of each added dollar the more money you have. Thus, if tax cuts or welfare payment go to low or middle income people, nearly 100% is spent and is returned to the economy. When that same money ( from tax cuts) is returned to the wealthy and very wealthy, less then 100% is spent. The higher the wreath of the recipient the less that will be spent and more will go into the savings/investments of the higher income groups.


And I assume the banks and insurance companies simply burn the money and do not use it on the market?

Excuse me, but I think you forgot that investment is just spending money, just like buying other stuff is. Money flows to whoever offers something for it that the owner of the money wants. That can be products or services, but it can also be a share of a company or more money back later or whatever else the market comes up with.

Investment is just as important as buying products. In fact, interest rates reflect how important investment currently is. (Even when interest rates are defined by a central bank.)

Reply #30 Top
The marginal propensity to consume is part of economics that shows you will spend LESS of each added dollar the more money you have. Thus, if tax cuts or welfare payment go to low or middle income people, nearly 100% is spent and is returned to the economy. When that same money ( from tax cuts) is returned to the wealthy and very wealthy, less then 100% is spent. The higher the wreath of the recipient the less that will be spent and more will go into the savings/investments of the higher income groups.


Hey clueless one....get a grip will ya? Want to see me shred your arguement?

The reason the money is not all returned to the economy is simple. Every family only needs X amount of dollars to exsist. I don't care if it's low income, middle or high income. The amount changes for each family. They only need X amount every month to get the things needed to survive. There comes a point in time when they have evrything needed for the time frame. Any money after that does NOT get spent. So the reason that 100% of the money is not spent by the wealthy is that they have more/get more than the x amount required to exsist for the time frame. That's part of being wealthy. As you make more money you find yourself spending less of your income. Which is how you build wealth.
Reply #31 Top
So the reason that 100% of the money is not spent by the wealthy is that they have more/get more than the x amount required to exsist for the time frame. That's part of being wealthy. As you make more money you find yourself spending less of your income. Which is how you build wealth.


drmiller is right, in other words manage our P&L and not spend all we earn... Which I might add is the way everybody should be conducting themselves regardless of income. The sorry part is to many exceed their income and save nothing.... Like Xmas buying on credit cards. If you haven't the cash or ability to pay CC's off when the bill arrives, you spent to much and saved nothing.

When that same money ( from tax cuts) is returned to the wealthy and very wealthy, less then 100% is spent.

I should remind those that think then know something when they no little. Not everyone is Bill Gates or in the 400. Leaving the rest of us to reinvest profits. In many cases the average business man creates more jobs, hiring more employees, buys more equipment and so forth.
Reply #32 Top

Yeah, because slavery was such a good thing... being a majority demand... right?

Well,UBoB?  Want to debate that point?

Reply #33 Top
Well,UBoB? Want to debate that point?


Why?
Reply #34 Top

But of course, since you're a neocon, you don't have a problem with welfare for corporations and the church. Just a little hypocritical, don't you think?

Ben,

Umm, I'm definitely NOT a neocon. Please point me to the writings that led you to assume I am OK with welfare for corporations and the church? (Here's a hint: you won't find them).

Don't put labels on me without some facts to support them.

Reply #35 Top

But of course, since you're a neocon, you don't have a problem with welfare for corporations and the church. Just a little hypocritical, don't you think?

Ben,

Umm, I'm definitely NOT a neocon. Please point me to the writings that led you to assume I am OK with welfare for corporations and the church? (Here's a hint: you won't find them).

Don't put labels on me without some facts to support them.