#22 by latour999 Thursday, December 15, 2005

From what I've read on these replies, it seems like some of you think the role of the media is to root for the home team, make us look good and them look bad. It isn't. The role of the media should be to inform us. Of course, they suck at that too because, as you said,

nope if the home team meses up then go to it, expose it, DO NOT REVEAL national secrets for our enemies to read and prepare.

But who becomes the grand guardian of what is true and what isn't? It's too subjective. Those printing things now think they're telling the truth. You think they're lieing... Everyone ultimately believes in their own correctness, so who gets to make the call? What if you're the one who's wrong? What if the press is right about Bush?

Problem is no one is willing to think they're wrong, and often think that those who are in opposition to them should be silenced.

I seriously hope you remember this article next time you complain about liberals trying to silence dissenting views and voices.

And again, you can not remove a fundamental freedom because it's currently being abused. If we went your route, we would have lost this core freedom back in the days of the muckrakers. You would trade other's freedom to fit your view of how the world is, and to hell with those who disagree.

these people are Traitors caring only for there own sick agenda, secularist that care not one whit for America, only caring for the moment of shining through in the national front. They are tools of the liberals and are in fact liberals themselves. I advise you to reread Gideon

No, freedom of the press must NOT go, but rather ACCOUNTABILITY of the press must be restored.

right on target.

I seriously hope you remember this article next time you complain about liberals trying to silence dissenting views and voices.

Great advice!

Reply By: ZoombaPosted: Thursday, December 15, 2005But who becomes the grand guardian of what is true and what isn't

they MUST police themselves with guidelines set forth by a non partisan panel.

Reply By: stevendedalusPosted: Thursday, December 15, 2005these people are Traitors caring only for there own sick agenda, secularist that care not one whit for America, only caring for the moment of shining through in the national front. They are tools of the liberals and are in fact liberals themselves. I advise you to reread Gideon No, freedom of the press must NOT go, but rather ACCOUNTABILITY of the press must be restored.right on target.

the point I was making what is called freedom of the pres today is not freedom of press, it's the freedom to lie, cheat distort with impunity! come on now no one can be this dense.

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Reply By: stevendedalusPosted: Thursday, December 15, 2005I seriously hope you remember this article next time you complain about liberals trying to silence dissenting views and voices.Great advice!

I am not trying to silence dissent, but trying to make the point lies are not dissent, exposing national secrets is not dissent but the actions of traitors!!

According to reporters they have the right to reveal national secrets. By the rule of thumb used today If a reporter found out about the Manhattan Project or the exact time and day of the invasion of Europe in WWII it is there solemn duty to blast this kind of news all over the papers, the television news and any other outlet they desire to use to get a "headline" I say these people are Traitors caring only for there own sick agenda, secularist that care not one whit for America, only caring for the moment of shining through in the national front. They are tools of the liberals and are in fact liberals themselves.

An recent example of a reporter revealing national secrets is Bob Novak revealing the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame. The thing is, he's a conservative, not a liberal. And his source was a conservative, not a liberal. Maybe that was just a misprint in the article and they meant to say: "They are tools of the conservatives and are in fact conservatives themselves."

#33 by BenUser Thursday, December 15, 2005

An recent example of a reporter revealing national secrets is Bob Novak revealing the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame. The thing is, he's a conservative, not a liberal. And his source was a conservative, not a liberal. Maybe that was just a misprint in the article and they meant to say: "They are tools of the conservatives and are in fact conservatives themselves."

I really do not CARE WHAT SIDE OF THE AISLE THEY COME FROM, REVEALING NATIONAL SECRETS IS SUPPOSSED TO BE A CRIME AND IF DONE BY CONSERVATIVE, liberal martian whatever they should be held accountable. {sorry for caps}

Address the specific crime then. No one is arguing that there are reasonable limits and that revealing national secrets should be punished. Saying that freedom of the press is to blame is missing the mark. It's like saying Freedom of Religion is to blame for religious kooks bombing abortion clinics.

Reply By: ZoombaPosted: Thursday, December 15, 2005Address the specific crime then. No one is arguing that there are reasonable limits and that revealing national secrets should be punished. Saying that freedom of the press is to blame is missing the mark. It's like saying Freedom of Religion is to blame for religious kooks bombing abortion clinics.

According to reporters they have the right to reveal national secrets.

It's time to start holding reporters responsible for their actions on a federal level, with prison time for revealing the nations secrets.

Time to imprison some for their blatant skewing of the news, reporting falsehoods, slanting news or otherwise telling lies on a national or state level.


I do believe this adresses how it is and how I feel zoo.

I really do not CARE WHAT SIDE OF THE AISLE THEY COME FROM, REVEALING NATIONAL SECRETS IS SUPPOSSED TO BE A CRIME AND IF DONE BY CONSERVATIVE, liberal martian whatever they should be held accountable. {sorry for caps}

He is the newest incarnation of Dabe, only stupider and more polite.

37 by Dr. Guy Thursday, December 15, 2005

He is the newest incarnation of Dabe, only stupider and more polite.

and much like dabe will be silent here till it learns to respect its BETTERS! heh

I'm reminded of a play I read in college:

MILNE: No matter how imperfect things are, if you've got a free press everything is correctable, and without it everything is concealable.

RUTH: I'm with you on the free press. It's the newspapers I can't stand.

-- Tom Stoppard, Night and Day, Act I



You may hate it, but without it the result would be intollerable.

39 by UBoB Thursday, December 15, 2005

I am all for free [press, without the lies slanted crap spewed, agendas liberal or right wing, I say to them how about the truth once in a while?

I am all for free [press, without the lies slanted crap spewed, agendas liberal or right wing, I say to them how about the truth once in a while?

I agree MM. But I think there is truth in much of journalism. You just have to look for it.

Remember your country's founding brain trust made this the first amendment for a good reason. They knew how difficult it would be to have a democracy where all of the citizens could participate on such a large scale as is America. They understood that large scale communication was the only way to achieve that so the press needed to be protected at all costs. The press (in all it's present forms), is simply the means by which all citizens can share ideas and opinion. Sure, there is lots of crap out there. Lots of lies. Lots of half-thuths. Lots of completely useless information too. The job of citizens is to sift through it all and find the truth and hopefully, with the truth in hand, work towards a better democracy.

41 by UBoB Thursday, December 15, 2005

The job of citizens is to sift through it all and find the truth and hopefully, with the truth in hand, work towards a better democracy.

I must respectfully disagree, it's the job of the press and media to report. truth. no 1/2 truths, not try to bring me to their side, no hidden or not so hidden agendas, walter winchell, edward r, murrow, chet huntly and david brinkly knew how to report the truth and let the reader or listener decide.

not trying to silence dissent, but trying to make the point lies are not dissent, exposing national secrets is not dissent but the actions of traitors!!

"national secrets" most of the time are but politicians holding free information close to their vests.

If anyone still questions the incompetent laziness of the press, they need look no further than Hurricane Katrina coverage. Reporters heard rumors about all large number of murders and the bodies building up in the storage freezers... Not one "reporter" even thought to take a look around the building they were in to verify before they reported the rumors as fact.

That's not just incompetence, that is criminal legligence... and the entire "profession" let the incompetence stand without challenging the credibility or professionalism of the reporters at the Superdome.

Which again, leads be to wonder if there is an honest person anywhere in journalism today.

Reply By: stevendedalusPosted: Thursday, December 15, 2005not trying to silence dissent, but trying to make the point lies are not dissent, exposing national secrets is not dissent but the actions of traitors!!"national secrets" most of the time are but politicians holding free information close to their vests.

the key word in your reply is "most" of the time. how about when they do reveal national secrets steven?

Reply By: ParaTed2kPosted: Friday, December 16, 2005If anyone still questions the incompetent laziness of the press, they need look no further than Hurricane Katrina coverage. Reporters heard rumors about all large number of murders and the bodies building up in the storage freezers... Not one "reporter" even thought to take a look around the building they were in to verify before they reported the rumors as fact.That's not just incompetence, that is criminal legligence... and the entire "profession" let the incompetence stand without challenging the credibility or professionalism of the reporters at the Superdome.Which again, leads be to wonder if there is an honest person anywhere in journalism today.

my point ted, and I thank you. Where is the accountability?