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BAN "Ban" & "Banned"

BAN "Ban" & "Banned"

Are You That Opposed to "Opposed" ?

 right in the middle of last year's crusade to keep christmas from being 'banned', an already ban-concious public was alarmed and outraged by news of a public school in cupertino, california 'banning' the constitution.

as it turned out, the school hadn't banned anything (a teacher who made the claim after being disciplined by his principal for repeatedly violating a directive entered into a settlement in which the school denied any wrongdoing). 

despite a flurry of furious articles condemning an initiative recently adopted by a majority of resident voters, neither has the city of san francisco.

unless they've done revised the dictionary, 'oppose' doesn't come close to meaning the same thing as 'ban'. 

here's the relevant portion of the legal text of proposition i as it appeared on the ballot: Link

Resolved, that the people of San Francisco oppose U.S. military recruiters using public school, college and university facilities to recruit young people into the armed forces. Furthermore, San Francisco should oppose the military’s “economic draft” by investigating means by which to fund and grantscholarships for college and job training to low-income students so they are noteconomically compelled to join the military. Resolved, that the people of San Francisco oppose U.S. military recruiters using public school, college and university facilities to recruit young people into the armed forces. Furthermore, San Francisco should oppose the military’s "economic draft" by investigating means by which to fund and grant scholarships for college and job training to low-income students so they are not economically compelled to join the military.

note the absence of the word 'ban' or any of its alternates.

here's the way the city of san francisco's ballot simplification committee explained the issue and the effects of prop i: Link

THE WAY IT IS NOW:  The San Francisco Unified School District operates the City's public schools.  The District receives federal money to pay part of its operating costs.  By accepting federal money, the District must permit U.S. military recruiters access to its schools.  Colleges and universities that receive federal funds are subject to similar requirements.

THE PROPOSAL:  Proposition I is a declaration of policy that the people of San Francisco oppose the federal government's use of public schools to recruit students for service in the military.

Proposition I is also a declaration that San Francisco should consider funding scholarships for higher education and job training that could provide an alternative to military service.

A “YES” VOTE MEANS:  If you vote “yes,” you want it to be City policy to oppose military recruiters’ access to public schools and to consider funding scholarships for education and training that could provide an alternative to military service.

A “NO” VOTE MEANS:  If you vote “no,” you do not want this to be City policy

it's not even thanksgiving and you're already expending perfectly good outrage to oppose an opposing?   i hate to offer unsolicited advice but...if you don't conserve (heh) your energy, you may peak too quickly.  in that event, this could be the year athiests succeed in banning such sacred heathen claptrap as candycanes and stockings fulla coal.

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Reply #26 Top
maybe it's just the the scam artist in me, but i strongly suspect any post-secondary educational institutions and potential employers who wanna get their hands on a list of all hs juniors and seniors are most likely to be the kind with a parking lot "campus" or an office sans street address.
Not true KB, My eldest is a senior in HS and after they got the Pre-SAT results backduring his Junior year, he recieved a number of letters asking if he was interested in attending their school from places like MIT, U of Maine, Unity College, and a few others. The lists are released by the guidance counsellors to any accredited school that requests them. Then the colleges shotgun out letters asking "Hey! you interested?"

The competition for students really doesn't start till SAT and ACT results come out. We shall see. (I am hoping for him to be eligible for a Nat'l merit Scholarship)

He will register with selective service when he turns 18 but the odds of he or his little brother considering the military as an option are slim and none due to their own experiences with Dad being gone as much as he is around.
on the actual vote, you are saying they are just practicing a large scale form of mental masturbation since the resolution as worded can have no binding effect. (Sounds like S.F.)
Reply #27 Top
btw, you might just take #13 back from me if you keep responding to each comment separately. You little points whore! ;~D


it took me way too long to realize you weren't referring to reply #13. i guess i need a point pimp (or pimpette) to keep me focused.
Reply #28 Top
there is that sense of humor


it applies as easily and as well to you too.
Reply #29 Top
My eldest is a senior in HS and after they got the Pre-SAT results backduring his Junior year, he recieved a number of letters asking if he was interested in attending their school from places like MIT, U of Maine, Unity College, and a few others


first of all, congrats to you and your sons.

it makes sense reputable schools are trying to attract your oldest son. is it at all possible they get their target list from the testing companies rather than from his school?

at least 2/3 of his classmates aren't going to generate that kinda interest, right?

you are saying they are just practicing a large scale form of mental masturbation since the resolution as worded can have no binding effect


exactly.
Reply #31 Top
A number of the letters seemed to be shotgunned out to any of the students in the area who took the time to take the pre-SAT tests. The MIT letter... I don't have enough information to tell.
Nice to see that we agree on the actual resolution.
Reply #32 Top
Good for you Kingbee. It needed to be said!