Democrats - Mugging for their Base

Or, How to accuse the Opposition of your crime.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200511/NAT20051102a.html
from JoeUser Forums

Senate Democrats Yesterday invoked Rule #21 and dragged the senate into a secret session.  The Pretext was that the Senate Intelligence Committee was dragging its heels on completing an investigation into the faulty intelligence for the Iraq War.

The Problem is, it has been completed, except for some foot dragging by the democrats!

According to Pat Roberts, the Chairman:

"We started on Phase Two in February of last year," Roberts said. "On May 17th, it was complete."

But -

when the committee was to begin examining statements by members of the Bush administration and Congress to determine whether the allegedly flawed intelligence had influenced their decisions, Roberts said Democrats balked.

So indeed this was just a cheap stunt.  Accomplishing nothing, but making sensational headlines.  Which is the only things the democrats seem to be able to do.  Nothing constructive, just impede and delay, pontificate and obstruct.

They have become a laughing joke to all except their rabid base.

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top

"We tried to go down a list of over 500, 500 public officials - people in the Congress, people in the administration - we got nowhere. We didn't even get to first base," Roberts explained. "The answer was 'No, no, no, not now. We have other things that we would like to bring up, other things that we would like to state.'"

Democrats should change the name of their party to the "no-nos".  That seems to be the extent of their vocabulary.

Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Roberts needs to make up his mind then, because yesterday on the Senate floor he said;


“Well, there’s been a lot of talk about Phase 2. What is Phase 2? Why has it been delayed, if in fact it has been delayed? … It isn’t like it’s been delayed. As a matter of fact, it’s been ongoing. As a matter of fact, we have been doing our work on Phase 2.”

If it's "done" as he said...why does he say it's ongoing and that they're still working on it?
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top

“Well, there’s been a lot of talk about Phase 2. What is Phase 2? Why has it been delayed, if in fact it has been delayed? … It isn’t like it’s been delayed. As a matter of fact, it’s been ongoing. As a matter of fact, we have been doing our work on Phase 2.”

Perhaps you need a link to it? 

Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
Perhaps you need a link to it?


A link to what?
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Still waiting for the mystery link.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
The democrats thought the Plame investigation was going to "take down" the Bush administration. All they got was an indictment of an advisor. Bush nominated a conservative judge for the Supreme Court. It was time for the democrats to whine about something, and their media allies were more than happy to help.

Democrats, your party is pathetic.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: davad70Posted: Wednesday, November 02, 2005
Perhaps you need a link to it?


A link to what?

No, you need to provide a link.  Kind of dense, aren't you?

Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top

Still waiting for the mystery link.

So are we.  Provide please????

Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top

Democrats, your party is pathetic.

As homer would say - DOH!

Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: davad70

Davad, I see you have been around for a long time.  Did you leave and come back?  Just curious.  It does not matter in the debate.  But please provide links to your assertions or it is just "made up voodoo!".

Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yes, I find it laughable that the Dems trip all the automatic door locks, expel any non-Senators and hunker down in secret session to demand, demand...

...what they already have: Link

Of course, what the Dems wanted us to hear about the secret session was on the news that evening.

Cheers,
Daiwa
No, make that Partisan Hack, Sycophant & Fool
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
“Well, there’s been a lot of talk about Phase 2. What is Phase 2? Why has it been delayed, if in fact it has been delayed? … It isn’t like it’s been delayed. As a matter of fact, it’s been ongoing. As a matter of fact, we have been doing our work on Phase 2.”

Perhaps you need a link to it?


You asked if I needed a link to "it".

A link to what?

I've been around the Stardock/Wincustomize community since the beginning of WC. I've never been especially active here until recently. I've read the posts here fairly regularly since it first started, but much more so in the last few months.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top

demand, demand...

They are so arrogant, they have lost the capability to "ask".

Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top

You asked if I needed a link to "it".

A link to what?

A link to your "poof".  I can make a quote up out of thin air.  That does not make it a fact.

Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
They are so arrogant, they have lost the capability to "ask".


I would say this would qualify as "asking";

For more than two years, Senate Democrats have pressed Republicans to address the misuse of intelligence. At every turn, Republicans have blocked efforts to investigate how intelligence was used in the run-up to the war in Iraq. Below details the long record established by Democrats to investigate this matter.


February 3, 2005 – Senator Rockefeller sent a letter to Senator Roberts outlining Committee priorities for the coming year and encouraging completion of Phase II.

August 5, 2005 – Senator Rockefeller sent a letter to Senator Roberts expressing concern over the lack of progress on Phase II and calling for a draft to be presented to the Committee at a business meeting in September.

September 29, 2005 – All Committee Democrats joined in additional views to the annual Intelligence Authorization Bill criticizing the lack of progress on Phase II

Link
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: davad70Posted: Friday, November 04, 200

I think your question was already answered in the article.  Or did you not read it?

when the committee was to begin examining statements by members of the Bush administration and Congress to determine whether the allegedly flawed intelligence had influenced their decisions, Roberts said Democrats balked.

Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top

For more than two years, Senate Democrats have pressed Republicans to address the misuse of intelligence. At every turn, Republicans have blocked efforts to investigate how intelligence was used in the run-up to the war in Iraq. Below details the long record established by Democrats to investigate this matter.

Again, it is the democrats balking.  Or are you simply ESL?

Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
You show your lack of respect for the truth almost every time you post something. You do a better job of making yourself look silly than I ever could.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top

You show your lack of respect for the truth almost every time you post something. You do a better job of making yourself look silly than I ever could.

Actually, I post the facts and then comment on them.  But you are welcome to call me silly.  I do enjoy laughing at the liberals expense.  And there is never a shortage of material.

If you would like to point out a fallacy, by all means do so.  But regurgitating what I said and then trying to spin it to say the opposite is not going to win you debating points anywhere but in the MSM or the DNC.

Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
You show your lack of respect for the truth almost every time you post something. You do a better job of making yourself look silly than I ever could.


Just as much as you show a complete lack of fact finding. This is from CNN:


Roberts: Probe in progress
Sen. Jay Rockefeller, the intelligence committee's ranking Democrat and vice chairman, said the Democratic maneuver was necessary for Americans to learn who was accountable for the way prewar intelligence was used.

"Everything is about accountability to the American people, accountability of the executive branch ... [and] accountability of the oversight of the Congress," Rockefeller said.

He said the committee's Republican majority has refused to request documents from the White House about how the Bush administration crafted arguments for the invasion.

"What disturbs me the most is the majority has been willing, in this senator's judgment, to take orders from this administration when it comes to limiting the scope of appropriate, authorized and necessary oversight investigations," Rockefeller said.

Roberts said his committee has been working on the Phase 2 investigation since May and "we have what we think is a pretty good report." He said the committee will take up the matter next week.

"However long it takes, working in good faith, we will look into Phase 2 and see what we can do and finish that product," Roberts said.

Sen. Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat on the panel, expressed his doubts. "Assurances have been made for months that progress is being made," Levin said. "We have not seen any evidence of it."

Democrats last year had pushed for the second part of the panel's inquiry to be completed before the November 2004 elections.


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Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
I guess I wasn't explicit enough - the link I provided was to a report already issued by the Presidential commission on the CIA's intelligence apparatus & its pre-war assessments of Iraqi weapons capabilities, headed by a Democrat, BTW.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top

as much as you show a complete lack of fact finding. This is from CNN:

There you go again!  Confusing the liberals with facts!

Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top

I guess I wasn't explicit enough - the link I provided was to a report already issued by the Presidential commission on the CIA's intelligence apparatus & its pre-war assessments of Iraqi weapons capabilities, headed by a Democrat, BTW.

You too?  This is an epidemic of facts posted by conservatives that are quite upsetting to the liberals!

Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
Right there in Daiwa's post he put a quote from Roberts saying Phase 2 was completed on May 17th.

Then Drmiler posts a quote from Roberts saying ""However long it takes, working in good faith, we will look into Phase 2 and see what we can do and finish that product"

That's not a contradiction?