Please -- No More RTS!

Or, Better Yet, More Turn Based Strategy!

from Stardock Forums
One of the reasons I've played GalCiv since the OS/2 days is that it doesn't depend on my ability to twitch the mouse at a minimum speed (and secondly it didn't require FPS level hardware).

I bought a subscription in the hopes of getting more games like GalCiv -- but they seem to be in the vanishing minority. I realize this also reflects the market, but there *are* quality non-realtime strategy/action games out there that are still actively developed and popular, e.g., Worms.

Here's my lonely plea for the subscription folk who don't have the latest hardware -- computer or otherwise.
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Reply #1 from Stardock Forums Top
Know the feeling. My girlfriend and I like playing games together, but she hates just about anything realtime for exactly the reasons you describe, and I'm so addicted to the pause button that it might as well be turn based

Turn-based gaming is, if not a dieing breed, then certainly one that is loosing market share, not just here, but everywhere.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well, one great series that has a lot of North American fans is Worms -- the (sorta) 4th in the series is now out everywhere else. We get the boxed edition sometime late this month (I hope).

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Try the demos -- they're great!

p.s. Brad, try and get the rights to this puppy -- at least for the next version!
Multiplicity - Control multiple PCs using one keyboard and mouse
Reply #3 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Turn-based gaming is, if not a dieing breed, then certainly one that is loosing market share, not just here, but everywhere.


One reason for that has to be the simple fact that fewer tbs games are made, so they don't sell so many, so make even fewer. The great champion of TBS atm has to be the Total War series, but even those have RTS battles. The TBS genre isn't dead, it just has to evolve. GC2's fleet battle concept sounds like one answer, dropping in some action sequences to break up the slower pace. Total War's hybrid game approach is another.
Reply #4 from Stardock Forums Top
Total War was a great game (i still have it lying around) however i enjoy both RTS and Turn-Based RTS requires a quicker Thinker Than a turn-based game and always keeps you on your toes however Turn-based prevents you from Getting of track Total War seems to be a good combo Regular World Control Turn-Based then RTS battles its where i think they really belong! But The RTS like The empire Earth seris required RTS All because you always got into battles like a eternal battle or somting...
Reply #5 from Stardock Forums Top
Unforutuanilty we live in a society filled with "retardic" people and Society expects (so does democracy) everyone to do the same when people fight back its total hell. Democracy was not ment that everyone demanded something that eveyone hated it causes problems (and formed the many Political parties in the world) however democracy Gives a chance for citzens to choose their leaders and prevents terriny very effectivly But doesn't protect to well the citizens from Wealthy Persons. in most governments (even democracy but espeically in US) RIch people have alot more influcence over Gov and sort of control the policies Democracy is A diffuclut yet good Govt Type atleast it makes everyone happy!
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
#5 by Lowa11

You see, when you play RTS games too much, this is how you write inbetween clicks of the mouse!
Reply #7 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
You see, when you play RTS games too much, this is how you write inbetween clicks of the mouse!


Indeed. Another unfortunate victim of "twitchy-time" strategy games; punctuation and capitalization are always the first to suffer.....

(Nothing personal, Lowa11, but your posts *are* difficult to read.....)

I love the TW games (at least Shogun and Medieval; Rome was a huge disappointment for me). I think they're an excellent example of how turn-based strategy games can still be fun (although it still annoys me to no end that most game sites list the Total War games as RTS, as this is a misnomer). I'm very happy Fleet Battles are going to be in GalCiv2. I understand that this a game of grand strategy, and that victory should depend more on seeing the "big picture" and not how good a battle commander you are. That said, however, I still want to see my ships in action, regardless whether I can control them--even an old strategy horse like me still appreciates eye candy!
Reply #8 from Stardock Forums Top
I too would like to see more turn based games. Actually, games that don't require fast mouse twitching and don't require the latest graphics card.
There are still some games like that, but they aren't widespread. I think that Knights of Honor, for instance, although real-time, plays slowly enough that you can play it and pause. Were it turn based, you'd spend lots of turns just hitting "end turn". And there are games like Wesnoth which are truly turn based. But then Wesnoth is a free game, you won't find it in stores, it's got old-looking graphics, but it is still extremely entertaining.
Reply #9 from Stardock Forums Top
Indeed. Another unfortunate victim of "twitchy-time" strategy games; punctuation and capitalization are always the first to suffer.....

(Nothing personal, Lowa11, but your posts *are* difficult to read.....) -Martok

meh im like that... theres too many RTS this days so im forced to play them.. so few Turn-based.
Actually Turn-based really doesn't require a super-comp but can utilize better eye candy than RTS with less graphs
Reply #10 from Stardock Forums Top
Lowa11, America is not a Democracy, nor is there a Democratic society in place anywhere within its boarders (Baring few basements and backyards). I could go into a lengthly disertation about this, but Im not an offtopic troll.
Reply #11 from Stardock Forums Top
Maybe the problem is that so many TBS are... the same?

/me runs under cover just in case... checks and comes back


Really, is there so much difference between building an empire within an environment or another? With grunts instead of colonists, or exploration vessel instead of scout?

Different breeds are UFO, GalCiv, the innovative Civ IV (and all others at their time), MOO1-2 in their time... those who just do more of the same end up just more of the same in the same bin. RTS seem to have a big enough audience to share the people who just end up buying what passes by or is of their style (LotR-fantasy gang, RedAlert-"realist" gang , historic-AoE people...). For TBS, there doesn't seem to be so much demand to go to waste.
Reply #12 from Stardock Forums Top
TBS is a varied genre. Civ games are one category, but you also have games like fantasy general or battle for Wesnoth, and all kinds of boardgames (chess, wargames, card games, Diplomacy, ...).
TBS is not restricted to empire building.
RPGs can be realtime or turn based for instance. I'd rather role play and fight turn-based rather than click like crazy when comes a fight and lose the fight not because my character is lame or I used bad tactics but because I slipped and lost control of my nous for one second (yes I can be very clumsy with the mouse, particularly when I accidentally hit the touchpad with the other hand).
Reply #13 from Stardock Forums Top
I think reason we all dread RTS is because we are aged and the little kids pwn us :/
Reply #14 from Stardock Forums Top
I like the hybrids as well -- Worms, Jagged Alliance, etc. Note that neither of the two examples are empire building.
Reply #15 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
U-F-O!
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Reply #16 from Stardock Forums Top
If you really like some TBS games, try looking at the consoles. Sure they wont be the super detailed TBS types but if you like the tactical ones there are a few for the PS2 and GBA. Nippon Ichi do a few TBS/RPG although if you power level then theres no need for strategy but thats your choice. The fire emblem games on the GBA are quite nice and rebelstar tactical command is by the guys who did XCOM: Enemy unknown (or UFO: enemy unknown).

Guess on PC front have to wait and see what CIV 4 and HOMM 5 are like or even Galciv .

I still like some RTS though, such as Dawn of War. It expansion has just been released but not as keen on its campaign as most missions have something to force the pace in them rather than in the original campaign where most missions you could take your time with.

Hopefully someone will do a TBS that does really well then as usual you get a load of other publishers jumping on the bandwagon and usually a couple of them are pretty good.