Trouble Over in the WB Section

Do the WB Comments Get Moderated?

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Here is the link: https://www.wincustomize.com/ViewSkin.aspx?SID=1&SkinID=5314&LibID=1&comments=1 Seems that there is an issue at hand about the validity of a certain skin...Has this been looked into?
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Reply #1 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Its not the only skin that needs attention.
https://www.wincustomize.com/ViewSkin.aspx?SID=1&SkinID=5311&LibID=1&comments=1
Galactic Civilizations IV
Reply #3 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Ah but do you see the dilemma? If skin A is a pixel for pixel copy of Vista, how can the author then claim skin B is a rip of skin A when skin B could just as easily be another pixel for pixel copy of Vista?

[moderator hat off] Personally, I think they are all rips (including the alleged 'originals') and should be trashed [moderator hat on]

The situation requires further investigation. People, in the mean time, should refrain from leaving comments on skins which they may later regret

Reply #4 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Hey, like I said, I was just wondering and noticing...not so much on the one that Night Train pointed out, but on the Vista, the author has never submitted one original thing, ever. He suddenly comes up with these hidden talents on a skin that is extremely hard to make from what I hear.
I Don't Get It
Reply #5 from WinCustomize Forums Top

I don't think OS skins are rips.  I think they probably violate someone's tradedress rights and if a company were to ask us to remove them (and ask the other sites to remove them) then we would.  But I don't look at them as rips.

OS skins are one of the most common reasons people skin their PC.

Reply #6 from WinCustomize Forums Top
A quote from Kol's statement at Neowin concerning the link in Night Train's post above.

You can import other Longhorn themes and you'll notice a difference in images size, style etc. This one is identical. And the shellstyle use the same images too even the same opacity. The search and movie icons are created by me because when I extracted the image from Longhorn I didnt find any high quality image for Search and Movies.


I think Kol has without question proven his case on this. This one goes way beyond simply mimicking an OS skin and should be pulled.
Reply #7 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I'm currently unable to access these works 'correctly' to deal....
Reply #8 from WinCustomize Forums Top
What's the problems Jafo?
Reply #9 from WinCustomize Forums Top
"#7"

this sounds rare...
Reply #10 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Minor coding glitch....quite selective, really....

Probably reads as "just take the weekend off, Paul....you earned it"....

Reply #11 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Hehe, sounds like a plan!
Reply #13 from WinCustomize Forums Top
sorry, what?!?
Reply #14 from WinCustomize Forums Top
There's a bug in the moderation stuff right now. And our coders are out for the weekend.
Reply #15 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I don't think OS skins are rips.



They are rips. They have always been rips. The only reason they've been allowed is because it sells Object Desktop for Stardock. But it's not like Microsoft doesn't know about you guys so if they don't care why should anyone else. But they are rips. They are unauthorized ports of a skin. Which is what the definition of a rip is.

I think they probably violate someone's tradedress rights and if a company were to ask us to remove them (and ask the other sites to remove them) then we would.


The first sentence you say they aren't rips and then right after you admit they are probably copyright violations. I think that's referred to as "talking out of both sides of your mouth". I can't remember the saying but you get the gist of it.
Reply #16 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Hey, there's been another rip report https://www.wincustomize.com/ViewSkin.aspx?SID=1&SkinID=5330&LibID=1&comments=1 could use some looking into as well
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Reply #18 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Where's the Whine moderator when I need him?
Reply #19 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I don't think OS skins are rips.



They are rips. They have always been rips. The only reason they've been allowed is because it sells Object Desktop for Stardock. But it's not like Microsoft doesn't know about you guys so if they don't care why should anyone else. But they are rips. They are unauthorized ports of a skin. Which is what the definition of a rip is.

I think they probably violate someone's tradedress rights and if a company were to ask us to remove them (and ask the other sites to remove them) then we would.


The first sentence you say they aren't rips and then right after you admit they are probably copyright violations. I think that's referred to as "talking out of both sides of your mouth". I can't remember the saying but you get the gist of it.



TSF:

What you say isn't exactly true. While Stardock makes money from doing things like Luna on pre-XP and Vista effects, I think where he's coming from is a bit of motivated self-interest.

What sells WB to me are the skinners. Lets face it, you wouldn't buy WB to plaster your desktop with some lame msstyle port or a really crappy WB, would you? No. You wanna put a fine skin made by a skinner ( or if you have sufficent skill , make one yourself ) . And the respected skinnners on here like Kol help make that happen. It's perfectly understandable that Brad wants to protect them.
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que?
Reply #22 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Nadie espera la Inquisición española
Reply #23 from WinCustomize Forums Top
If you were the skinner, would you want your accuser to go through WC channels, or just to post that your skin is a rip?

One of the people accused of ripping is in the Skinning Contest. If the accusers are incorrect, that person's chance of winning the contest has been destroyed. WC has some other means of dealing with the issue without vigilante action. By making public accusations on the site, the skinners reputation has been damaged permanently, whether it's a rip or not. As this thread shows, everybody knows what a rip is, but there is much disagreement on the details. On the WC site, WC should make the decision, working through channels in a timely manner so rips don't stay up long.
Reply #24 from WinCustomize Forums Top
he rip it and that is all!!!
Reply #25 from WinCustomize Forums Top
On the WC site, WC should make the decision


And that is all that is really pertinent, as far as rips staying or not.

Come on people, we've had lengthy discussions on this issue many times.

If you think there is a rip. email a mod. It will be looked into. If it is not a rip, the work will likely stay. If it is a rip, it may stay if it is an acceptable rip (I know that sounds like an oxymoron, but some rips are acceptable here). If it is not an acceptable rip, it will likely be removed.

End of story.