BUSH HAS BETRAYED THE CONSERVATIVES

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The most basic concept embraced by the conservatives is REDUCED FEDERAL spending. When George Bush leaves office on January 20, 2009, he will leave behind a legacy that will prevent conservatives, for decades to come, from reaching their most basic goal i.e. reduced federal spending.

The reason is quite simple. The national debt by the time he leaves office will be approaching $10 trillion dollars. That will be an increase of $4.3 trillion and will make him the president who added more to the national debt then ANY other President. What is even worse, is there is no chance of a balanced budget by the end of his second term and that $10 trillion will continue to grow as the next president takes office.

Many people dismiss the national debt is just a number. The fact is that it mandates the American tax payers to pay the interest on the total debt. In 1980 the interest on the debt was $90 billion. In 2004, the interest on the national debt was $330 billion. Soon after George Bush leaves office, that number will escalate to approximately $500 billion per year. That means the debt will have jumped $170 billion from what it was in 2004 and will be the largest increase in federal spending ever and will ensure that the conservative objective of reduced federal spending will not take place and in fact federal spending will escalate since the interest payments are mandatory. If interest rates in the future go above the historic average, like in the 1980's, the interest will exceed $500 billion per year. 40% of that interest is paid to foreigners and adds to the fortunes of countries like China and Japan at the expense of the American tax payers.

Great job Mr. President you have not only betrayed your conservative base but have saddled the remainder of the country and its future generations with trillions of dollars in additional federal spending because you refused to equate taxes and spending.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
Thank you, Gene. Nice work. To avoid needless duplication, I suggest you run off now & spend the rest of your life writing that "Why I Hate Bush" book.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Thank you, Gene. Nice work. To avoid needless duplication, I suggest you run off now & spend the rest of your life writing that "Why I Hate Bush" book.


Indeed. It's getting irritating.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
I wonder how many times his book has made the top 10 list at Amazon?
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
What is irritating is the constant defense of a President that has failed to meet the most basic needs of this country. Every day brings more information to light on just how inept Bush and his policies have been over the past almost 5 years.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
What is irritating is the constant defense of a President that has failed to meet the most basic needs of this country. Every day brings more information to light on just how inept Bush and his policies have been over the past almost 5 years.


What is irritating is that people like you constantly bash Bush with no real reason behind it. You constantly ignore the facts that dispute your arguements, and it all comes down to one thing. Hate Bush.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Fair enough, Gene. You've actually touched on my only major problem with this administration.

So I'm stuck with a President I mostly agree with, but who has completely screwed the pooch on one of the fundamental conservative principles: smaller government and less federal spending. That's my problem.

Your problem is that one of the fundamental liberal principles is larger government and more federal spending, and all the Democratic offerings in every election ever will be guaranteed to do exactly the kind of thing you're so mad at Bush for.

Not only are you preaching to the choir, Gene, but you're also doing an excellent job of convincing us to stay true to our conservative principles and elect an even more ruthless budget reformer the next time.

Meanwhile, I'd rather have a conservative president that doesn't always deliver on the ideals of my faction, than a liberal president who does always deliver on the ideals of his faction.

I mean, failure is a given. None of us are perfect, and none of our elected officials are perfect. When conservative presidents fail, I am angered and frustrated. When they succeed, I'm encouraged and excited. But whether liberal presidents succeed or fail, whatever they do I am angered and frustrated.

So, um, thanks, I guess, for helping to reinforce my commitment to conservative principles, and heighten my desire for truly conservative presidents. May our next Executive deliver even more beatings to asshats, cut even more taxes, and spend even less money on social services! Oh, and a positively draconian stance on illegal immigration wouldn't bother me too much either.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
You are correct none of us is perfect. Tell me one major issue Bush has resolved since comming into office? He has not accomplished a SINGLE thing that needs to be done in America. The debt, trade, border protection, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, education, the Iraq War, energy. Every one is either worse then in 2001 or are new isues (deficit and Iraq).
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
He has not accomplished a SINGLE thing that needs to be done in America.


He stood up against terrorism col. Something no other President, especially a democrat one never did. There are more but you will just start with the usual rhetoric about the deficit. And Bush won Florida.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
Tell me one major issue the Democrats have backed the president on.

Hell, getting a fully-qualified non-liberal supreme court nominee approved is be a major accomplishment in Washington these days.

Anyway, so what? You're still just arguing that I should make sure to elect a conservative with more backbone next time.

Let me put it this way: To the extent that he gets things done, I like what Bush does. I only wish he'd get more things done. I surely do NOT wish that the Democrats would get more things done!
Reply #10 from PolMach Forums Top
Here is a fine list of what Bush has accomplished:

Started a war in a place that was no imminent threat to the US. On top of that, it was on a lie. This has made things even more unstable in a place that was horribly unstable to start with. This is the equivolent to throwing a rock at a beehive your friend is sthanding by.

He is spending money like a drunken sailor. (no offense to the U.S. Navy) Please do not compare him to a Democrat, because they spend money for a benevolent purpose.

He does things like: cuts funding to states. This comes to the states in an annual report. A little 400 page book. For years this has been the case. When the Governors start trying to find out what happened to their funding, he calls and ceases publication of the book. Huh?

His administration turns a blind eye to constant tax evasion by major corporations, but hires 600 new IRS agents to pursure un-reported TIPS by low income waiters and waitresses.

He agrees to rebuild the south with the help of his corporate friends.

Hires unqualified people to fill important posts.

Has made three seperate cuts to the Homeland Security budget. So much for the fight on terrorism.

He has cut education funding.

We won't even get to the sins of omission, like failure to act on our current energy crisis. And on top of all of that, with spending at an all time high, with a defecit that our grandkids will be paying for, he will still stay with his ridiculous tax cuts.

Anyone else from the party, except for a couple of moderates, including McCain, will force feed morality. While the Democrats are trying to find their spine, the Republicans are suffering the ill effects of gluttony.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
All Americans are aginst terrorism. The problem is that we have sent our military off fighting a war that had NOTHING to do with terrorism. Saddam was a evil person but was not part of what attacked this country. It is a lie to say the war in Iraq was to fight terrorism. We have now created a country where terrorism is now operating but was not operating in Iraq before Bush attacked it. We have created a lot of new enemies in our war aginst terrorism by attacking Iraq and have NOT made this country safer

The conservatives are lucky if they represent 30% of Americans. Most Americans are toward the center NOT to the right or left. When people say Bush must play to his conservative base they are dead wrong. He is the president of all Americans not just the conservatives. His policies only reflect what the conservatives want and ignore everyone else. That is reflected in all the polls that clearly show the vast majority do not support him or the policies he is forcing on this country with the help of the conservatives that control the GOP in Congress.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
Please do not compare him to a Democrat, because they spend money for a benevolent purpose.

What arrogant bullshit.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
The conservatives are lucky if they represent 30% of Americans. Most Americans are toward the center NOT to the right or left.


Remember col, the "center" voted him in.


That is reflected in all the polls that clearly show the vast majority do not support him or the policies he is forcing on this country with the help of the conservatives that control the GOP in Congress.


You mean the majority of 1000 Americans in a biased media poll. Please start making that clear col.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
All polls show the same thing Bush is out of touch with the vast majority of Americans TODAY. If the election were held this November, he would not come close to being elected aginst Gore or Kerry.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
All polls show the same thing Bush is out of touch with the vast majority of Americans TODAY. If the election were held this November, he would not come close to being elected aginst Gore or Kerry.


Col, a poll of 1000 Americans does not represent the entire Nation. Why is it when a poll showed people didn't blame Bush for Katrina, you dismissed it?

Also, almost every poll showed Kerry was going to beat Bush. That's how reliable they are.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
Island Dog

Polls properly constructed show opinion within the error range set by the poll which is generally, + - 3%. We are talking about 65-70% do not agree with Bush. Face it Bush is out of touch. The polls that showed Kerry was going to beat Bush were very close and within the error range of the poll. That is not the case with Bush today.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
If the election were held this November, he would not come close to being elected against Gore or Kerry.


The poll today (even how badly slanted) was not about who would be elected today. Like another person wrote in another post: While people may not agree with President Bush and may think he is doing bad in his job today, they would most likely still not choose the Democrat option. Bush was not my first choice in 2000 and was my only choice in 2004 after the primaries, but both Gore and Kerry was much worse. While the Republican party does not have much to offer, the Democrats are providing far worse.

We had to pick the "Better of the two Evil" this last election. IMO if a poll was taken on who Americans would vote for today, you would still find that Bush would win with even a larger margin. I would like to see the results of that poll.

We are talking about 65-70% do not agree with Bush.


You don't have to agree with a person, to vote for him.

Maybe you should stop wasting time trying to tear down Bush (because he can’t run again anyway) and start promoting a good Democrat or Republican candidate that you feel follows your ideas. That would be more productive. As long as you and what seems to be the majority of the DNC continues to follow the tearing down doctrine, the Republicans will slip yet another Presidency out from under you. Leaving you still wondering how a idiot and complete looser like Bush could have won AGAIN.

Your a retired military officer, maybe you should study the AAR from the last election and devise a new strategy. You always boast about completing the “Army War Collage“, now use what you learned there.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
Island Dog

Polls properly constructed show opinion within the error range set by the poll which is generally, + - 3%. We are talking about 65-70% do not agree with Bush. Face it Bush is out of touch. The polls that showed Kerry was going to beat Bush were very close and within the error range of the poll. That is not the case with Bush today.


I see you don't even want to touch his line about the Kerry polls. Are you now saying that every one of the polls showing a Kerry win were incorrectly/poorly constructed? "You" face it. Your polls are what's out of touch! And just an fyi....the Kerry polls were not even close. One further point to make. If Bush is so despised then "why" did he win in 2004?
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
So I'm stuck with a President I mostly agree with, but who has completely screwed the pooch on one of the fundamental conservative principles: smaller government and less federal spending. That's my problem.


stute,

Well said. And one reason why some of us who might have otherwise been Republicans have defected to the LP.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
About two percent of the voters made an error. That is why Bush won. They were more interested in preventing Gay marriage then the economy, the welfare of our military, Social Sceurity, Medicare, Energy, protecting our borders. The VOTERS SCREWED UP BIG TIME! The country will pay for that error for many years to come.

It is time to vote the blood sucking people out of Congress and the White House and elect people that want to solve the problems facing our country. We need to adopt policies that meet the needs of the majority not the Bush Base-- The Haves and the Have mores.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
The VOTERS SCREWED UP BIG TIME!


About two percent of the voters made an error.


No, the DNC Screwed up big time by choosing someone even worse then Bush.

The people voted for who they felt supported their priorities. Sorry if those priorities did not match yours.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
About two percent of the voters made an error. That is why Bush won. They were more interested in preventing Gay marriage then the economy, the welfare of our military, Social Sceurity, Medicare, Energy, protecting our borders. The VOTERS SCREWED UP BIG TIME! The country will pay for that error for many years to come.


Get a grip will ya? It's only your OPINION that 2% of the voters messed up.
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
Col has completely lost it.

Col, understand that a poll of 1000 Americans does not accurately represent the millinos in this country. I have showed how the media uses more democrats than republicans in these polls. They are slanted. I have asked you several times col, why did you dismiss a poll that showed people didn't blame Bush for Katrina?

Bush won col. Like the other poster said, why don't you help the democratic party actually come up with ideas. Bush is not running again, he's not leaving office early, and there's nothing you or your "books" will do about it.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yes, the Democrats did screw up but I am not sure Bush was the lesser of the evils. What is a sad is to be choosing between TWO LOOSERS when voting for the president of the greatest nation on earth.

Polls that show 35% support for many of the Bush policies clearly indicate the vast majority of Americans no longer support Bush.
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
Polls that show 35% support for many of the Bush policies clearly indicate the vast majority of Americans no longer support Bush.


You still don't get it! Who really cares what those stupid polls say. Bush is in till 08 and he can not be re-elected again so all your polls mean NOTHING! You are NOT going to get him out till then. DEAL WITH IT!