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National Day Of Prayer...Multi-Miraculous Or What?

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National Day Of Prayer...Multi-Miraculous Or What?

Miracle #2 In Progress As I Type

from JoeUser Forums

i very clearly remember the first time george bush proclaimed a national day of prayer. 

it was also in september, just a few days after those planes smashed into the towers, the pentagon and a wooded area in pennsylvania. 

prior to reading the official proclamation document and then hearing bush's address at the episcopal national cathedral, i disliked him both as a man and as president.  by dislike, i mean exactly that.  no less; no more.  i didn't focus much effort or energy on him.  if anything i saw him mostly as a source of quirky perverse amusement--one we really couldn't afford, but were stuck with for a couple more years.

his proclamation pushed dislike all the way to deplore; his address transformed deplore, converting it to despise. 

so it was on thursday the very last thing i coulda envisioned myself doing today woulda been expressing any measure of approval for the message he delivered friday...the national day of prayer he proclaimed in response to the horrors of katrina.

Miracle #1

the thing about miracles is they always seem to manifest themselves to those  who most want them to occur and are most eagerly willing to be convinced.  that's where i am now.  i truly wanna believe my president meant this exactly.  no less; no more:

"The greatest hardship fell upon citizens already facing lives of struggle: the elderly, the vulnerable and the poor. And this poverty has roots in generations of segregation and discrimination that closed many doors of opportunity. As we clear away the debris of a hurricane, let us also clear away the legacy of inequality."

i doubt i really need to mention how amazed i was to read that this morning. 

Miracle #3

i'm willing to give bush the benefit of the doubt. 

(it's gonna be obvious if he tries to backpedal or wiggle outta that statement...or his commitment.  i'm so hoping he wont.  THAT should be more than enough to balance my wariness and prevent it from diminishing that last miracle in any way.)    

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
You see, the problem is this happened in an urban area. They were all like, "How do you call Dominos without a phone?"

Now, we hicks have been watching cheap, post-apocalyptic cinema for years. The power goes off for a few hours in third world America and we start welding big spikes on our cars and wearing football pads.

You wanna know real Chaos? Podunk USA when the Wal Mart is never going to open again. Looting? *Snort*, we'll be swooping down on yuppie vacation communities like locusts. Adaptation, baby. Too much is a bad thing. Your world becomes redlights and office hours and soon you're useless without them.

Sure, we hillbillies clean up nice, we "pass", but we can see-our-enemies-driven-before-us-and-rejoice-in-the-lamentation-of-their-women with the best of them.

You'll WISH it was your high-end sneakers we were after...

...just as an aside... to, well, people who think all this politics stuff means, well, dick...
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
...just as an aside... to, well, people who think all this politics stuff means, well, dick...


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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
if rightwinger should happen across this, i hope it will inspire a new fantasy...this time with dabe as drmiler's worker.


Yeah, that sure would be fun, in an excrutiating kind of way. But, I'm no masochist, like others here.
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
Heh, I just heard that part of Bush's plan includes giving vast tracts of federal land to the 'poor' to build houses on, and also giving each victim a $5000 "Individual Recovery Account."


Now, this is so compassionately conservatively stupid. Farm out the poor onto federal tracts away from the city. $5K will accomplish nothing but pay 'em off so they have no complaints when the corporate money bags buy up their damaged houses and properties for a song, then reap profits hand over fist. Katrina was really so convenient for those fat cats. Gentrification by way of a hurricane. And, the poor? Well, who cares? They're out in those federal La La Land tracts. I wonder if they plan on fencing them in?

Just like the Red Cross debit cards, it will be interesting to see how the poor choose to spend this money. Im sure some will make wise use of it, but I'm equally sure that most will squander it on fancy clothes, lottery tickets, and other unneccessary bullshit.


And, what the hell are these people supposed to spend their money on, whip? They're living in the Astrodome, have no house, no cars, nothing. They don't even have kitchens to cook good food. No windows to buy curtains. Nothing. They have nothing. Maybe they bought some shoes and/or clothing. I don't know. But, with some of the rest of the money, fast food and lottery tickets seems pretty damned appropriate, given the circumstances.

What is it about the poor that you hate so much? Are they like looking into a mirror for you? Are most of them people of color? Are they reflective of white trash? What? What is it about poor people that you so thoroughly disdain? I know....... you just think you're so much better than them. What a joke.
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
This 5k and 'homesteading' act is a useless waste of government funds, a pander to the black vote, an appeasement to the lefties


i seem to have missed the part where karl rove said, "dammit mr bush you charismatic sex bomb sir. last election we didn't get enuff black and leftwing votes. as you know, my usual approach to this kinda thing would be round up some of the guys, dress em to look like ordinary citizens and have em form like the 'swift ton-ton macoutes for good ol straight-only voodoo' and have em each make a few calls to anyone who's taken evacuees into their homes just to kinda warn em these people may turn into zombies on election day and maybe discreetly suggest they chain em to a basement wall from monday thru wednesday that week.

seein as how we now find ourselves facing the likelihood of an all red louisiana thanks to that cleansin storm pat robertson arranged, it just don't seem like it's worth the effort. maybe i'm losin my edge but what's the fun in winning an election without doin somethin really shitty to the other guys?

instead, let's just abandon everything you claim to have stood for and let's toss out some entitlement cash so them poor bastards can find their ummm slot? nawww. their groove! that's it. send em out to buy some really loud rap music, maybe a faux-tiffany glass crackpipe and some martha stewart potscrubbers...that kinda stuff. hell, why not go the whole 11 yards or whatever the hell real men say atta time like this and give each and every one of em his or her own free crackhouse. then all we gotta do is wait for their feets not to fail em during the journey back to da big easy.
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
You aren't changing anyone's mind here, dabe, and the only buddy you really have is Myrr--another much despised one, although I must say you're making progress with Mano always digging for milk-duds in your asscrack these days.


When it comes to disgusting, profane, lowbrow, asswipe bullshit, you beat me hands down. No one, not anybody, can be as utterly disgusting as you. Must make you so fucking proud of yourself. Goddamm, whipsy. I suppose that asswhipe hubby of yours is really proud of you, too. When you say these racist disgusting things, does he beat the fuckin shit outta you extra hard? Maybe right on your arthritic joints? Ooooooh, quite the highlight of your days, no doubt.
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
Anyway, mr bee, don't even try to tell me that all this sudden largess from the heart of mean old conservatives like Bush and crew has anything OTHER than a political motive behind it.


The only political motive for this gift from the government is to hopefully build up dubya's tanking ratings. Only the jingo fools at ju are still hanging onto some modicum praise for their hero, the dubya dummy.
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
Thank you, dabe, for yet one more example of your banishable offenses to save for a rainy day.


And yours isn't? Hmmmmmm........... wonder how Karma will justify that.
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
always digging for milk-duds in your asscrack


Hehe, disgusting as that may be, it's quite a creative insult, and I'm going to file that one away.
Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
Beat me to it, TW - that is a good one.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
But, I'm no masochist, like others here.


You most certainly are, dabe. Why else would you fight so hard to remain active and unbanished on a predominantly Conservative site where almost everyone despises not only what you stand for and the way you present it, but you personally?

What you do here would be the equivalent to MM signing up at DU and trying to convince all of THEM how "right" he is and then boo-hooing to Admin every time someone called him an asshole.

Then again, that wouldnt be possible, would it, because DU does not ALLOW dissenting opinions on their forums. They've taken "preaching to the choir" to a ridiculous level there, and any semblance of freedom of speech has long been tossed out the window along with every other traditional democratic ideal.

You aren't changing anyone's mind here, dabe, and the only buddy you really have is Myrr--another much despised one, although I must say you're making progress with Mano always digging for milk-duds in your asscrack these days.

So why do you post here if not the the massive amounts of abuse you take on a daily basis?

Hey, relax, there's nothing wrong with masochism, it actually makes a nice accompaniment to your white guilt, hysterical overreacting, and teeth gnashing about the unfairness of it all!


You missed a "dabe buddy" there LW....colon gene.
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
what a milk-dud is...(and what it look like.)


It's a lil whip!!!!!!
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top
what a milk-dud is...(and what it look like.)


It's a lil whip!!!!!!


Aww, clam up you ignorant "dingle berry"!
Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top
Aww, clam up you ignorant "dingle berry"!


Yike! Now I'm really insulted.
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top

Aww, clam up you ignorant "dingle berry"!


Yike! Now I'm really insulted.


Believe me "if" I "really" wanted to I could REALLY insult you! What I wrote before isn't really an insult, more like a retort. The "only" reason I don't really insult you is that I like JU and don't have any plans on getting banished.
Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top
Anyway, mr bee, don't even try to tell me that all this sudden largess from the heart of mean old conservatives like Bush and crew has anything OTHER than a political motive behind it.

What he's offered isnt really going to help anyone in the long term--he knows it, you know it, and i know it.


i wish i'd seen a clip of him giving his prayer day address. knowing how many times he smirked and when might help me to understand the real mystery here.

after spending years and years and years carefully defending every idiotic thing he's uttered, yall are so passionately nonchalant when dismissing him now.

how could you possibly have been so utterly convinced he wasnt lying about wmds, etc. to further a foreign policy he was determined to implement but you find it so easy to dismiss him when he tells the truth about an issue that invalidates every aspect of the domestic policy he was equally determined to put in place?
Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top
"dingle berry"!


if you have to resort to deploying the full force of third-grade invective, please put a lil more effort into spelling words like dingleberry correctly.
Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yeah, that sure would be fun, in an excrutiating kind of way


perhaps i let myself be carried away by the scenarios i was envisioning...requiring him to redo any application forms on which he'd used words bracketed by *s....scheduling lots of appointments at 7am and then finally gettin around to seein him about 3:57pm....losin his file so he hadda start applying all over again...invalidating all of his weekly job search sign-offs
Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top
You seem to have me confused with someone else


while i quoted you, i was't specifically addressing you. quite a few dubya disciples seem to have suddenly seen da lite. it wouldn't seem quite so strange if so many of those appeared to be at least a bit indignant or upset.

without seein some of that, i'm pretty well convinced yall knew alla long he was as fulla shit as i did.
Reply #45 from JoeUser Forums Top
The "only" reason I don't really insult you is that I like JU and don't have any plans on getting banished.


Chicken
Reply #46 from JoeUser Forums Top
Not to detract from your squabbling -- just ignore this (as usual) and continue on -- or anything...

How is that different than allowing a creche on city property during December? No one is required to go downtown & look at it, so noone's rights are violated there, either.


The difference is "day of prayer" is generic; the creche is a specific representation. Day of prayer doesn't refer to any specific religion -- hell, you could be praying to yourself, for the humanistic types -- and therefore couldn't be "establishing" one.
Reply #47 from JoeUser Forums Top
The difference is "day of prayer" is generic; the creche is a specific representation. Day of prayer doesn't refer to any specific religion -- hell, you could be praying to yourself, for the humanistic types -- and therefore couldn't be "establishing" one.


I agree with this. However, I think that by maintaining a generic sense of religion, the government is walking a very fine line into that separation of church and state issue. Obviously, it's not new for our government to do this. But, I have always taken issue with the concept of government declaring the presence of a god, be it generic or otherwise.

I do not believe that it's the government's place to presume the presence of god, at all. To truly separate church and state, such presumptions should not be made. Leave it to individuals to believe what they want to believe, to presume what they want to presume, and to practice whatever religion they choose to practice, or not practice any religion at all.
Reply #48 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well then, are you ready to kiss the concept of "inalienable rights" goodbye? You know all those that our government considers "endowed by our creator" and therefore insuperable by man or government?


Creator is a pretty generic term. (I know I'm stretching this a bit, as it's probably not the intended meaning in the DoI.) Biologically, my creators were my parents, so is it not valid to say that I was endowed with those rights from birth by my parents, not some god type being?
Reply #49 from JoeUser Forums Top
So the secret is out: kingbee knows all because of his infallible smirk-o-meter! I just knew those lefties were cookin' up an October surprise... just let it slip a bit early.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #50 from JoeUser Forums Top
As for those inalienable rights - I'm guessing the term creator was written in the DOI with a lower case "c" for a reason. The rights asserted are no less inalienable whether endowed by a God or an alien or natural selection.

Cheers,
Daiwa