How The Lunatic Left is Pushing me closer to being a ...

CONSERVATIVE for REAL

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The more I see of the Lunatic fringe or as I call them, the lying left, the closer my values are getting pushed to a real conservative view.

I am now rethinking my social liberal views and am now considering just saying piss off you leeches on the lifeblood of America.

Why should I have to support your sorry ass because you are to damn lazy to find a job?

Why should I have to pay extra taxes because I am successful and your not!

Why Do I have to fix your crappy lives when you cannot even feed yourself with out sucking from the public teat?

You wanna spit out 1/2 dozen kids, learn how to feed them and cloth them your self!

You sorry excuses for human being have not a lick of gratitude for what you freely take from the tax base, you just want more and when you get more you want more and more.

We the American people feed you, cloth you, pay you to have babies educate you and still you want more.

Well I am tired of it!

Learn how to take care of yourselves, what ever happened to the American spirit of self worth?

I say stop entitlement programs, starve if you cannot figure it out, the gene pool will be better for your demise!

Yes I am angry and disgusted with the bloodsucking left and the way they steal the soul of the poor, yes they give you money for votes but they steal your soul in the process.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
I don't even think it goes that far, you are granting them too much honesty. I don't think for a moment they want to raise taxes on the rich to help the poor. To do so, they always create more government programs and more "projects" for pork-hungry flunkies. I don't think they are worse than Republicans as far as funneling money, I just loathe the way they pretend they are going to spend all this money that they want to redistribute.

It's like something being government-owned in Chavezuela. To hippy leftists that means the people own it. If you own the government, though, that makes whatever the government manages yours to (ab)use. If the poor get 1% benefit, then heck, you haven't REALLY lied, right?
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
#1 by BakerStreet
Saturday, September 17, 2005


I just loathe the way they pretend they are going to spend all this money that they want to redistribute


exactly baker, raise taxes under the PRETENSE of helping the poor, garner votes, then make bigger government and spend more money on personal projects, byrd has spent more money on his own state from federal funds than the entire right.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
3 by little_whip
Saturday, September 17, 2005


PREACH IT, MODMAN!!!!


gonna change my name soon to NEO-CONMAN. HEH
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
You know, there are more than two ways to think.

If you limit yourself to being a Democrat/Liberal or a Republican/Conservative, you're just showing that you have no capacity for independent thought. Just because you disagree with this radical left, and disagree with how some of the social services they promote are run, and some of the constituency they serve, doesn't automatically make you a Republican.

Personally, I have disagreements with BOTH parties. Yet anytime I criticize Bush, I get labeled a Liberal weenie. I have never been on welfare, I *have* gone hungry rather than go to the food bank, etc. In a lot of ways, my life is very conservative. Yet, at the same time, I disagree wholeheartedly with the moral indignation of the Right-wing. It is not their job to be telling people how to live their personal lives - even if MY personal life fits (mostly) within that mold.

An independent thinker need not be identify himself by a party label. To do so is to box yourself in.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Moderateman: I won't take issue with your hard-line opinions on social policy, not because I agree or disagree, but because I respect your right to make your mind up about the future of our nation and the issues that impact you.

I will plead you, however, not to allow the bad decisions and reckless or distasteful actions of others to rob you of your sense of compassion. You've always been a kind, generous person (at least from what I've known of you here), and I think it would be tragic for you to throw that away just to spite your opponents.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Texas WahinePosted: Saturday, September 17, 2005Moderateman: I won't take issue with your hard-line opinions on social policy, not because I agree or disagree, but because I respect your right to make your mind up about the future of our nation and the issues that impact you.I will plead you, however, not to allow the bad decisions and reckless or distasteful actions of others to rob you of your sense of compassion. You've always been a kind, generous person (at least from what I've known of you here), and I think it would be tragic for you to throw that away just to spite your opponents.


ah tex yer always so kind, even when I am throwing a huge hissy fit. Colleen said to me when she read this. OH MY GOD ELIE GET A GRIP!" so although angry now I seriously doubt I will toss the social liberal part of me away, I am angry not mean.

thank you tex for always being the voice of reason in a world gone mad.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: LotheriusPosted: Saturday, September 17, 2005You know, there are more than two ways to think.If you limit yourself to being a Democrat/Liberal or a Republican/Conservative


I am a mix, split down the middle for the most part. liberal about social concerns and the enviorment, consvative about big government and , crime and punishment.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yeah, the conservatives only care about the poor until they are born, then they can starve if their parents don't have it together.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
" Yeah, the conservatives only care about the poor until they are born, then they can starve if their parents don't have it together."


And yet, all these rich fatcats and corporate megaliths are the main donors to most of the charities in the US. WHy do you equate opposing redistribution of wealth by force to opposing charity? You'd better serve the poor by asking why liberal politicians prefer them to remain a class of voting serfs for the Democratic party.

Conservatives spend a lot of time expressing their faith that people can work their way out of hardship. Their most vocal opposition just sit around and make racist, elitist excuses as to why they can't.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: LocamamaPosted: Saturday, September 17, 2005Yeah, the conservatives only care about the poor until they are born, then they can starve if their parents don't have it together.


uh huh, it's that attitude that is pushing me away. The truth is here in america we do make sure the poor children have food and clothes, and health care too.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Saturday, September 17, 2005


Conservatives spend a lot of time expressing their faith that people can work their way out of hardship. Their most vocal opposition just sit around and make racist, elitist excuses as to why they can't.


how else will the democrats garner votes, the have an unending supply of votes comming through entitlements.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
13 by little_whip
Sunday, September 18, 2005


then they can starve if their parents don't have it together


Really?


shows you how deep the brainwashing has gone whip, the left believes that people here are starving to death and it's up to the waelthy to pay more taxes to feed them.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Moderate Man - I say stop entitlement programs, starve if you cannot figure it out, the gene pool will be better for your demise!

I was responding to what you said in your article. You said they can starve. You say end the entitlement programs that feed and clothe these children and then you turn around and say that we don't allow poor children to be treated that way in this country. You are contradicting yourself.

And LW before these programs were put in place there were people who starved in this country. I believe there are still people who may not die of starvation but definately go to bed hungary.

I am all for grown adults having to live with the consequences of their bad choices but I think these programs are needed for the kids who had no choice.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
And Moderate Man which programs do you want to end specifically Food Stamps, Subsudized lunches, WIC, EIC, Medicaid? It is fine to be fed up with the people who manipulate the system and have a rant about it. But there are real consequences to eliminating these programs.

I also wonder about the concept of all these welfare recipients going out and voting Democrat. What percentage of voters do you think are welfare recipients? What percentage of the population do you think are welfare recipients? I really can't see that they would swing an election. Maybe the liberals actually have a heart and care about whether people are suffering. Maybe not everyone on the dole is a "sorry ass who is too lazy to get a job".

I know anecdotal evidence isn't worth much but my husband's grandparents had to go on food stamps. They were in their 60's. He has worked all of his life as a tile layer. Self-employed, hard working, paid into social security but did not make enough to have a separate retirement account, no IRA etc. but he worked all of his life. He paid his bills, bought a home, took care of his family. His wife was a homemaker most of her life but did work some part time jobs after her kids were grown and gone, she worked at the school cafeteria, at a shoe store etc. These are good, decent people. He had a massive heart attack and could not work. He is now living on social security but there was a gap between when he had his heart attack and when he could collect social security. During this time they recieved food stamps. Should they have starved? Were they lazy, good for nothings?
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
sorry duplicate post
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: LocamamaPosted: Sunday, September 18, 2005Moderate Man - I say stop entitlement programs, starve if you cannot figure it out, the gene pool will be better for your demise!I was responding to what you said in your article. You said they can starve. You say end the entitlement programs that feed and clothe these children and then you turn around and say that we don't allow poor children to be treated that way in this country. You are contradicting yourself.


no I am not, it's time the citizens of america learn to fend for themselves, again. I could just see the wild west NEVER getting settled with the attitude of feed me clothe me take care of my children.

Short entitlements are fine, but when you get the 2nd and 3rd and 4th generation of people on welfare. Well it's time to clean the gene pool.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: LocamamaPosted: Sunday, September 18, 2005And Moderate Man which programs do you want to end specifically Food Stamps, Subsudized lunches, WIC, EIC, Medicaid? It is fine to be fed up with the people who manipulate the system and have a rant about it. But there are real consequences to eliminating these programs.


I do not want to ELIMINATE any of them just have a expiration date on them. maybe 4 years, educate them, help them get a job, then they are on there own.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
funny how that works you get a question and you answer, but it's not an answer that someone can fight with, so they ignore you.

Ah yes the left doing what it does best, prevaricate then desert.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
I'm back sorry if I wasn't quick enough for you.

I thought that was the whole point of the welfare reform in the 90's - to put a time limit on benefits and have a work requirement. I don't know the details. I tried to look it up on the net but didn't have time to sort through all the crapola.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
I suggest you change your byline from moderate to extrememan.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
With most government aid recipients living in the "red" states, you'd be hurtin' your own base, there, bubba.

Hey Baker, Chavezuela has seen a huge decline in poverty since The Man's been in power...unlike the 10 percent increase we've had here under our own Dear Leader.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
byrd has spent more money on his own state from federal funds than the entire right


this is dumb, even for you
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
"Hey Baker, Chavezuela has seen a huge decline in poverty since The Man's been in power...unlike the 10 percent increase we've had here under our own Dear Leader."


Do you consider people on welfare in America to have escaped poverty? If so, you are right in an insipid way. Poverty decreases when the World Bank and the Venezuelan govnerment start handing out cash to keep people from starving. That is, if your idea of "poverty" is starvation. If the US used those standards for poverty we'd look like Utopia.

Improvement?, Nah. Why has the Wold Bank been forced to mobilize to save all these poor Venezuelans? Most of the crap you refer to is Chavez's own propaganda, which disputed heavily by even those in his country.

Not often, though. Why? Because disputing the "truth" of government propaganda gets you prison time, you know, like the heinous crime of insulting the government. How long do you intend to embrace that sawed-off little dictator? I guess as long as you can keep your head up your ass without suffocating...
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
#5 by Lotherius
Saturday, September 17, 2005




You know, there are more than two ways to think.

If you limit yourself to being a Democrat/Liberal or a Republican/Conservative, you're just showing that you have no capacity for independent thought. Just because you disagree with this radical left, and disagree with how some of the social services they promote are run, and some of the constituency they serve, doesn't automatically make you a Republican.

Personally, I have disagreements with BOTH parties. Yet anytime I criticize Bush, I get labeled a Liberal weenie. I have never been on welfare, I *have* gone hungry rather than go to the food bank, etc. In a lot of ways, my life is very conservative. Yet, at the same time, I disagree wholeheartedly with the moral indignation of the Right-wing. It is not their job to be telling people how to live their personal lives - even if MY personal life fits (mostly) within that mold.

An independent thinker need not be identify himself by a party label. To do so is to box yourself in.


Hmmm ... seems that got an echo around here. This about sums up how I believe. I make my decisions/choices based on what *I* think. I don't follow any one party, and will vote for whomever I believe will do the best job. In Nov 2004, that happened to be Bush (mostly a case of the lessor of two evils thinking). In several local elections, I've voted for the independent or democratic candidates, because I think they do a better job than the others. It's all on a case-by-case basis.

Independent thinkers think together!!!
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: LocamamaPosted: Sunday, September 18, 2005I'm back sorry if I wasn't quick enough for you. I thought that was the whole point of the welfare reform in the 90's - to put a time limit on benefits and have a work requirement. I don't know the details. I tried to look it up on the net but didn't have time to sort through all the crapola


yep loco, that's how it was suppossed to work , but the song remains the same as states do not enforce it.