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Want to get out of poverty, take personal responsibility

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Reading another useless rant by the col about how much they "care" about poverty brought a few things to mind. Poverty in this country is not the governments fault, quite different than what the left wants you to think. Poverty is mostly a personal choice in this country. Aside from people who are physically or mentally unable to work choose to live in poverty and not better themselves. This is one of the big difference between the left and right. The left wants you to rely on the government and not help yourself, the right believes people should take personal responsibility for themselves, and not rely on the government.

Now I hear people like the col and our other resident radicals that state things like people could not evacuate because they are poor and had no transportation. I bet if a "50 Cent" concert was in town, people could find a ride for that. However this is basically what we are talking about. Instead of taking responsibility for yourself and finding a way out, they blame the government (mostly Bush) for not driving right up to their doorsteps and taking them away.

If you want to get out of poverty and live a good life, then just do it. Here are a few tips to get you started.

Instead of buying that new rap cd that came out, buy a book instead.

Instead of going to "the club" every night, stay home and read to your kids.

Instead of spending countless amounts of money on hair products, buy food and clothes for yourself and children.

Instead of relying on government for a paycheck, go get a job.

If you follow these basic tips you will have already gotten started on the right path.
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Reply #76 from PolMach Forums Top
But I will not retract what I said to eric! He's just wrong on so many points.


Just read my newer post, lot's less emotion, no arguing with Tex, just my simple opinion of why I beleive what I beleive.

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Reply #77 from JoeUser Forums Top
no arguing with Tex


Actually, most of the article is "arguing with Tex" only I'm not there to defend myself. Very classy.
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Reply #78 from PolMach Forums Top
Well, first off, understand that auto insurance is substantially more in urban areas. Second, understand that many low income homes do not offer off street parking, and you can see where a multi unit complex could quickly leave you without a place to PARK your vehicle, if you COULD buy it (trust me, though, I DO see your point on this as a larger persective.


There are MANY such people in those circumstances in inner cities across America!


These two comments remind me of what I mention in my newer post regarding part of being a responsible parent as being able to not just provide the basic necessities, but to do so in a healthy environment. I'd be willing to bet that these inner cities that have such high insurance and parking rates probably also have schools with metal detectors and security guards.

Look, if it means you are rich becasue you have a dependable car for getting around and a home that you will own some day as part of your retirement in an area that is safe for your children, then I'm guilty as charged. Please read my other post and then come back and convince me that, with the exception of some rural areas that enjoys a low cost of living, you can properly raise a family of four on 35k. You people that keep talking about "inner cities" nearly make my point. Even if it is affordable (with it's outrageous insurance rates and high parking fees??), it is so at the risk of the well being of your child and you are then irresponsible for raising them where the average 8 year old knows what a "drive by" means as well as the going price for a gram of "the rock".
Reply #79 from PolMach Forums Top
TEX- I am the "ha ha nonexisent" sister of eric. I have to admit that I don't know much about this website, how it works or how to do all the neat little quotes in yellow boxes but I will try my best to get my point across. What I do know a TON about is the army. Congrats to your husband making E5 in under two years, you failed to mention that if he went to college as you said then he automaticaly went in as an E4. My husband went in as a private 19 years, made E6 in 6 years, put himself through school at night in between deployments and then got his commision. After all these years with him....my brother was wrong on only one point...we have been together for thirteen years, have shown me that no we don't live in the "real world". This is not an insult to us, merely a fact. I have a problem with people who join our all volunteer army and then complain about the pay or the benefits...or the deployments for that matter. I felt a pity party coming on when you spoke of your hubby's deployment and I don't play those games.
As for our benifits, yes I know that if we are on a post we don't have copays, I was speaking worst case scenario...like when you are stationed no where close to a base, in time you may learn this. As for Tricare Prime...it is free to anyone who wishes to sign up for it so for those who don't have it tell their sponsor to got to the DEERS Office or Tricare online and they will receive the help they need. We take good care of our teeth so most of our dental work is in fact free. My husbands LES is still showing a deduction of 19 bucks for this benefit. Oh, and his $250,000 life insurance policy costs less than twenty dollars a month and by the way now includes an automatic free piggyback policy for me in the amount of $100,000 and $10,000 on each of our three kids. Heck even the Gerber Grow up Plan can't touch that. Definitely can't get those life insurance premiums in the "real world". I agree with you that we don't have the best eye care plan though we do get free eye exams and if you file a claim you can get part of your money back on eyeglasses if you go to a WalMart vision center or othe participating office.
Another benifit not seen in the "Real World" would be the commisary. We have been to many posts through the years and I just got a harsh dose of realty, went to Publix grocery store and even their generic brand is more expensive than the commisary. With gas prices I thought I would try PUblix but I will insted drive the 16 miles to post. Oh and that is another benefit...on post housing. Unfortunately we weren't able to get housing in a timely manner but the Basic Allowance For Housing we recieve pays our full mortgage and all utilities and we live in a modest but nice neighborhood with a great school district. I have only noticed a couple of other stay at home moms where I live because most people have to have dual incomes to afford their mortgage. ON a military base it is the norm to see lots of Stay At Home Moms. Hey maybe that is because of the benefits. I am sure my sister in law would have loved to have breastfed but she had to work, not rely on welfare.
Have a great day
Reply #80 from PolMach Forums Top
Actually, most of the article is "arguing with Tex" only I'm not there to defend myself. Very classy.


What!!! I referred to our discussions in previous forums and only stated facts. If I overstated any of your benefits in the beginning of my post, then please correct me. By the way, I'm on the phone with my non-existent sister down at Benning. My offer for the three-way phone call still stands.
Reply #81 from JoeUser Forums Top
Another benifit not seen in the "Real World" would be the commisary.


Apparently, you haven't hears of "Sam's Club". Now, granted, not as good as commissaries, but they are substantially below retail on many items.

Oh, yeah, and dollar stores. Can't beat 3 for $1 canned veggies with a stick!
Reply #82 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am sure my sister in law would have loved to have breastfed but she had to work, not rely on welfare.


Damn, I'm gonna have to tell my wife she's apparently on welfare! Hell, I want to know what she's doing with all that money since I ain't seen a dime!

Nice stereotypes there!
Reply #83 from JoeUser Forums Top
Can't people hear it when they cross this line? Another half hour and he's going to be twirling his moustache and laughing wickedly. This is what comes of making a great tower of crap and then being so dedicated to propping it up that you can no longer smell it.

You're becoming a character from Dickens, eric. Ask yourself if this is the kind of thing you'd say to people's faces, or if maybe you'd be too ashamed or afraid to.
Reply #84 from JoeUser Forums Top
am the "ha ha nonexisent" sister of eric.


Perhaps you are, and perhaps you aren't. There's no way (for me) to verify if you are an eric alterego, one of his like-minded friends posing as a sister, or actually who you claim to be. It doesn't matter regardless, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

how it works or how to do all the neat little quotes in yellow boxes but I will try my best to get my point across.


You highlight what you want to quote. Then you click the "Quote" tab. Also, you might consider adding paragraph breaks. It will make your writing easier on the eyes.

Congrats to your husband making E5 in under two years, you failed to mention that if he went to college as you said then he automaticaly went in as an E4.


My husband entered as an E3, and I DID mention that both he and I were working on our degrees prior to his entering the service. I have a Bachelor's and he has the equivalent of an Associates. (Not bad for irresponsible people, eh?)

My husband went in as a private 19 years, made E6 in 6 years, put himself through school at night in between deployments and then got his commision.


Good for him. I'm not interested in a pissing contest, and I'm not in awe of officers, so there's no need to try to impress me.

This is not an insult to us, merely a fact.


Sweetie, everyone lives in the "Real" world. I think it's a silly way to refer to military (or any type) of life, and it denigrates the difficulties and duties of military life. It's a condescending, insulting way to refer to it. I take offense at being told that my life is not "real". You may not mind being belittled, but I do.

I have a problem with people who join our all volunteer army and then complain about the pay or the benefits...


Please point out where I have complained about the pay or benefits.

I felt a pity party coming on when you spoke of your hubby's deployment and I don't play those games.


I will refrain from addressing this comment, because what I have to say to you will not be nice.

As for our benifits, yes I know that if we are on a post we don't have copays, I was speaking worst case scenario...like when you are stationed no where close to a base, in time you may learn this.


Actually, I have experienced this as well. My husband was in for well over 6 months before he received his duty station.

My husbands LES is still showing a deduction of 19 bucks for this benefit.


Mine is closer to $25. Not much difference, but you must recognize that the benefits your family receives are not always the same as what other people have.

Oh, and his $250,000 life insurance policy costs less than twenty dollars a month and by the way now includes an automatic free piggyback policy for me in the amount of $100,000 and $10,000 on each of our three kids. Heck even the Gerber Grow up Plan can't touch that. Definitely can't get those life insurance premiums in the "real world".


Don't forget to mention the death benefit (10K or so?) to pay for the funeral. And the life insurance policy just went up to a max of $400K.

I think it's wonderful that the Army offers this. But I also think it's appropriate considering the relative danger of the job.

I agree with you that we don't have the best eye care plan though we do get free eye exams and if you file a claim you can get part of your money back on eyeglasses if you go to a WalMart vision center or othe participating office.


I think you are mistakenly believing that I think the Army is screwing everyone. I have no problem with our benefits. I think they are fairly generous. What I do have a problem with is a civilian insisting that we have a free ride.

The benefits are not perfect. Service members are not absolved of all financial obligations when they take their oath.

The benefits they do get are EARNED. They are not "free". They are an alternate form of pay.

Another benifit not seen in the "Real World" would be the commisary.


As I've said before, our local commissary's prices are designed to be an average of 20% below civilian prices on island. This benefit saves me about $80/mo. In civilian life I saved nearly that much shopping smart and using coupons.

It's a perk. A benefit. But it's not some great boon that makes military families suddenly able to buy Bentleys.

Oh and that is another benefit...on post housing. Unfortunately we weren't able to get housing in a timely manner but the Basic Allowance For Housing we recieve pays our full mortgage and all utilities and we live in a modest but nice neighborhood with a great school district.


Your BAH is somewhere in the neighborhood of $1400/mo. Your husband is an OFFICER. Therefore, you are generously compensated for his rank. You are able to have a very nice home in a great neighborhood because of this.

In some places the BAH provided is enough to get a nice place AND have money left over from the BAH. In some places BAH barely covers rent on something less than adequate. It depends a lot on your area and the service member's rank.

I have only noticed a couple of other stay at home moms where I live because most people have to have dual incomes to afford their mortgage. ON a military base it is the norm to see lots of Stay At Home Moms.


This is true, but cannot be entirely attributed to financial reasons. Military spouses are often required to suddenly become single parents for short and long periods of time. In order to provide stability and tend to logistics, it is often more feasible to have the spouse either stay at home or work from home. Another reason for this is the difficulty in networking and career building brought on by frequent moves. The Army has addressed this issue with spouse hiring preferences and various skill building and job training programs.

I am sure my sister in law would have loved to have breastfed but she had to work, not rely on welfare.


Well, to throw a bit of your brother's attitude right back at ya...

If they had been responsible, they would have chosen to wait to have children until they were financially able to support themselves on his income so that she could nourish her child the way that is most beneficial and recommended by the medical community.
Reply #85 from PolMach Forums Top


Ask yourself if this is the kind of thing you'd say to people's faces, or if maybe you'd be too ashamed or afraid to.


I have on two occassions offered Tex my 800 number so that we could discuss the issue. She's in Hawaii and I'm in Atlanta, of course should she ever transfer to Fort Benning, I'd love to meet Tex when I'm down visting my sister (whose husband I must hate since according to Tex, I have such disdain for the military).

But to answer your question, Mr. Baker, I would hope that you would realize by now that with the level of passion that I display for this subject ( the subject being children of which I have five and one due on the 30th) I would not hesitate to discuss this with someone face to face.
Reply #86 from JoeUser Forums Top
have on two occassions offered Tex my 800 number so that we could discuss the issue.


Does that not strike you as a completely bizarre suggestion? Why would I call some random person from the internet? Particularly one who has been nothing but condescending and abusive toward me?

No thanks. I'd rather not have to explain that one to my husband.
Reply #87 from JoeUser Forums Top
I doubt very seriously you'd engage the average person making less than $35k and tell them that because they make less than $35,000 that they are unfit parents.

I would strongly suggest you not do that, anyway, if you like your face the way it is. Imagine yourself strutting up to a complete stranger and saying such a thing. Wait, you don't have to imagine, you already did that to a lot of us here. The Internet makes it easy for us to be jerks, huh?
Reply #88 from JoeUser Forums Top
Did you know when Housing Allowance was introduced for the military it was because military base pay was so low and congress wouldn't allow a raise of any decent amount? So they came up with this catchy phrase "Housing Allowance" which was and is part of the member's pay, not something extra. But they made it seperate so they could keep it from being taxed.

It always cracks me up how service members are seen as "getting" things, while a CEO with the same and better packages/entitlements are smacked on the back for negotiating such a great package!

The reason military pay is divided into catagories has to do with taxes, not getting "extra." Some catagories are taxed, some aren't.
Reply #89 from PolMach Forums Top
Particularly one who has been nothing but condescending and abusive toward me?


Cmon Tex, I stated some simple facts about the benefits of military service. You made it a personal attack against me, calling me a military hater and questioning the honesty of my posts.

Does that not strike you as a completely bizarre suggestion? Why would I call some random person from the internet?


Perhaps it is bizarre, but again I feel VERY strongly about this subject. Besides I am offering you MY phone number which you could proceed to reverse directory search and find all of my information (well at least the company I work for). Futhermore, I invited you to a frank discussion of military benefits with my military wife sister and I, not a one on one conversation with some pervert you met online.
Reply #90 from PolMach Forums Top
I doubt very seriously you'd engage the average person making less than $35k and tell them that because they make less than $35,000 that they are unfit parents.

I would strongly suggest you not do that, anyway, if you like your face the way it is. Imagine yourself strutting up to a complete stranger and saying such a thing. Wait, you don't have to imagine, you already did that to a lot of us here. The Internet makes it easy for us to be jerks, huh?


Would I merely walk down the street asking people their income level? No. Would I express my opinion to just any joe blow walking down the street? No. Would I counsel a couple making less than 35k that they should wait until they were more financially prepared to have children? yes. Would I ridicule them later if they did not take my advice? No. But it would not change my opinion.

But while we are on the subject Baker, these blogs exist because it allows people to discuss issues that are perhaps better not discussed face to face on the street, at work or church. Some people feel so strongly about some issues as to make it advisable to not be face to face when discussing them. For example, I get the distinct impression that you are telling me that you would like to express your views to me in a violent fashion.

If everyone only spoke here what they were willing to say to any person walking down the street, I suspect that this would be a very anemic blog.
Reply #91 from PolMach Forums Top
You highlight what you want to quote. Then you click the "Quote" tab. Also, you might consider adding paragraph breaks. It will make your writing easier on the eyes


Thanks you sincerely for that tip, I really have never done this before.

Good for him. I'm not interested in a pissing contest, and I'm not in awe of officers, so there's no need to try to impress me.


I am laughing right now because I told my brother you would not be able to resist a catty comment like this one. I wouldn't expect you to be in awe of anyone's rank as pretty much anyone who works hard enough can achieve great things in our military, I was trying to let you know I am in fact real, not an alter ego.


Don't forget to mention the death benefit (10K or so?) to pay for the funeral. And the life insurance policy just went up to a max of $400K.

I think it's wonderful that the Army offers this. But I also think it's appropriate considering the relative danger of the job.


Just pointing out the fact that I am fairly certain most people can't get this kind of coverage at that price. Yes I think the service members deserve this but not is not the point. While we are at it I wonder if other professions that are life and limb risking get the same like firefighters or the police.

I think you are mistakenly believing that I think the Army is screwing everyone. I have no problem with our benefits. I think they are fairly generous. What I do have a problem with is a civilian insisting that we have a free ride.


Like I said before, I am new at this but after looking at two pages of posts I can't find where anyone has said we have a free ride.

It's a perk. A benefit. But it's not some great boon that makes military families suddenly able to buy Bentleys.


Please just add up all the little things we do get and realy think about it. I am not trying to offend you at all, I simply saw things that you were writing that I felt were giving people the wrong impression. A lot of people out there don't know much about the military and I would rather them hear both sides of a story than one.

I also forgot to mention earlier that although I don't know the exact dollar amount, I do know for a fact that your husband receives a yearly clothing allowance as well as the occasional reenlistment bonus. I know this because my husband use to get them too. Just another benefit that I don't see a lot of civilians getting.

Your BAH is somewhere in the neighborhood of $1400/mo. Your husband is an OFFICER. Therefore, you are generously compensated for his rank. You are able to have a very nice home in a great neighborhood because of this.


I do believe that I said MODEST home not great. I have lived in housing larger than this. Yes he is generously compensated but I would like to compare that point to the civilian sector, the longer you are at a job the higher you progress in position as well as earnings. Hard work and dedication pay off. At Fort Drum when we were first married his BAH was 390 bucks, not so generous but still more than a civilian gets.


This is true, but cannot be entirely attributed to financial reasons. Military spouses are often required to suddenly become single parents for short and long periods of time. In order to provide stability and tend to logistics, it is often more feasible to have the spouse either stay at home or work from home. Another reason for this is the difficulty in networking and career building brought on by frequent moves. The Army has addressed this issue with spouse hiring preferences and various skill building and job training programs


You yourself just mentioned a perk I forgot about, the spouse hiring preferences and skills building.

Well, to throw a bit of your brother's attitude right back at ya...

If they had been responsible, they would have chosen to wait to have children until they were financially able to support themselves on his income so that she could nourish her child the way that is most beneficial and recommended by the medical community.


Guess you think you got me but that isn't the point. Being able to support your family that you bring into this world on your own is the point. Wether it is breast or bottle their child got the nourishment needed. They provided that without assistance by waiting until they could afford it. I don't have a problem with single welfare recipients or mostly for those who are young with one child and didn't understand what it took financialy to raise a child. However, don't keep having kids you can't support on your own. I know it is not that cut and dry and obviously there are exceptions...the breadwinner whose factory closes down, the abused spouse trying to get her family to a safe environment etc.

You seem to be getting away from the point again, as I find myself doing at times too. This whole thing started with a question of welfare. From what I gather my brother pissed you off by infering that you aren't in the "real world" , this is just an expression. NOt one to belittle you or your family. I used the "real world" qoute the same way you did. Yes we live in the same world as everyone else but there are alot of military wives out there who will say others don't know what it is like being a military spouse..single parent, etc etc etc. I don't know many single parents who are receiving a paycheck that they aren't on the payroll for. I do think our soldiers deserve every penny and perk they get and my brother feels the same way, you have no way of knowing this and probaly doubt my sincerity. I truly would love for you to really look for one moment at the list of things that your spouse recieves, heck even imagine being two years in the service without that college degree.
Commisary, Life Insurance, Clothing Allowance, ReEnlistment bonuses, YEARLY cost of living raise every January since I can remember, 50-75% retirement benefits, Thrift Savings plan without having to pay broker fees, medical (ok I admit we don't always get the best care but we are free to keep making appointments until we get what we want at no additional charge for the extra visits) , vision, dental, automatic raises every two years regardless of wether you are doing a good job or not, job security (you have to really screw up to lose your job), housing allowance, COLA where necessary, seeing the world (ok I stretched on this one), on the job training while getting paid, the GI Bill, waivers in most states to where you don't have to pay taxes on your car tags, out of state tuition waiver for family members at most colleges, thirty days paid leave every year from your first year of service, AER interest free loans if you do get in a pickle-these guys aren't going let you go without food, shelter or power for that matter, ETC ETC ETC. Gee this sounds great, maybe I just helped the army with their low enlistment problems.
If I offended you I do apologize, that certainly wasn't my intent. Have a great day and good luck to you, your husband and family in your military career.
Reply #92 from PolMach Forums Top
Did you know when Housing Allowance was introduced for the military it was because military base pay was so low and congress wouldn't allow a raise of any decent amount? So they came up with this catchy phrase "Housing Allowance" which was and is part of the member's pay, not something extra. But they made it seperate so they could keep it from being taxed


I can't find anywhere that actually states when and why BAH and BHA was created now called BSA I think, but I could have sworn that Housing Allowance was created for the purpose of providing monetary assistance to members for whom on-post housing was unavailable. Whether it be BAH or on-post housing, it's a benefit that most people in the (I'll call it the "non-military" instead of the "real" world since it is so offenseive to Tex) don't enjoy. I am not discussing whether or not it is deserved (of course it is), only that it exisits and most people in the "non-military" world don't enjoy it and it seems that many in the service don't regard it as much of a benefit, whereas I would consider free housing and utilities as one hell of a head start to provding for a famliy.

So again, I don't argue the point that it is a well deserved part of your benefits, but I doubt that it was created as a "raise" as you contend or that it is listed seperately so as not to be taxed. It is not taxed because it is a "benefit" provided in lieu of on-post housing. However, I could be wrong.

The reason military pay is divided into catagories has to do with taxes, not getting "extra." Some catagories are taxed, some aren't.


I think you may be wrong again sir. You are paid in categories because when you receive money, it is typically in exchange for something that you would have received as a tangible good otherwise. For example, when you marry or move off post, you lose your meal card and start receiving BSA ( I think it's the term), but regardless you're getting money in lieu of free meals on post.

Now Tex may argue some specifics, but I think I have made my point.
Reply #93 from JoeUser Forums Top
I've grown very bored of this. It's not a subjective debate.

The initial contention that it's irresponsible to raise children on less than $35K is easily countered by the sheer number of people who do so, and without government assistance.

The diversion into military benefits is not a subjective debate, either. Military pay and benefits are not a secret. ANYONE can google up the base pay chart, the BAH calculator, the BAS numbers, the health care coverage info and charges, commissary prices, hazard pays, etc., etc., etc. These things can all be looked up.

Taking them all into account, you see that military earning power is much greater than what the base pay implies. You will also see that it is not sufficiently great enough for most enlisted service members to be able to live more than a few thousand dollars, if that, above the lifestyle of their civilian counterparts (Army Times has more info on this).

These things are easily proven, so why we are debating them is beyond me.

little whip: Thanks. I find it creepy when someone I don't know a thing about asks me to give them a phone call. Not gonna happen.
Reply #94 from JoeUser Forums Top
little whip: Actually, I'd really like that. I've thought about it before. Email me with your # and a good time to call, and we can have a chat. I'm very interested in hearing what your voice sounds like, hehe.
Reply #95 from JoeUser Forums Top
can't find anywhere that actually states when and why BAH and BHA was created now called BSA I think, but I could have sworn that Housing Allowance was created for the purpose of providing monetary assistance to members for whom on-post housing was unavailable. Whether it be BAH or on-post housing, it's a benefit that most people in the (I'll call it the "non-military" instead of the "real" world since it is so offenseive to Tex) don't enjoy. I am not discussing whether or not it is deserved (of course it is), only that it exisits and most people in the "non-military" world don't enjoy it and it seems that many in the service don't regard it as much of a benefit, whereas I would consider free housing and utilities as one hell of a head start to provding for a famliy.


I am certainly no expert and my only source is an elderly Uncle who was a Finance Officer in the Army about45+ years ago. But whatever.
Reply #96 from PolMach Forums Top


I believe that without exception, every significant, multi-victim school shooting we've ever had in this country has occurred in predominantly white, middle class schools.


I beleive that without exception, those are merely the shootings that make national news beacuse of their oddity. This just lovely, whip is going to defy conventional wisdom and claim that white suburbia is now the bastion of violence. I'll call to transfer my children to downtown Atlanta schools tomorrow, I never knew the danger that my children were in.

I've grown very bored of this. It's not a subjective debate.


Yeah, look what this place have degenerated to:

Tex has been put in check by my much more experienced sister in the ways of military benefits to the point that she has to claim that she is my alter ego now just googling up a few public statistics.

Whip can only drone on about how bad I'm getting my ass kicked while putting together no coherent thoughts. You make a good Tex cheerleader but your tired insults of me and now my sister are just sad.

Tex is now resorting to calling me a rich elitist and claiming that the 35k subject is closed because of the huge numbers of people that have proven me wrong. With the excpetion of possiby Tex, I've seen nothing but example after example of people that claim to have lived happily on some shoestring budget. I got not one response to my post asking all of these happily poor to explain to me how they plan to retire, whether or not they will be a burden on society because they wasted their lives eking out an existence (dragging their kids along with them). How much they have saved for college educations on their sub 35k existence. The vast sums of riches they MUST haved saved from their $600.00 of incidental income every month. Tell me what's it like to face the prospect of paying rent and investing in someone else's retirement for the rest of your life because your happy with your $400.00 Richmond apartment rent?

Tell me whip, did the vaulted one bother taking any finance classes during those ten years of post graduate study? Do you or he have any idea what it's like to life on a meager social security benefit (the future existence of which is questionable).

In the event of the failure of social security, what do all of you under 35k crowd plan to do? Let's say you save 10% of your income or $3,500 per year. Not to bright a prospect if you ask me. I assume when that time comes, you'l be glad that over ahcievers like me exist to pay another tax for you to live off one day in the form of government assistance.

With the exception of Tex or any other personel here, who may retire with Army pension and benefits, I fully believe the lot of you will be burdens to society and your well loved children. I on the other hand, will be a burden to no one. If that makes me a rich elitist, then so be it. I've been working and self sufficient since I was 15 and I plan to be so long after I retire



Reply #97 from JoeUser Forums Top
eric:
Tex has been put in check by my much more experienced sister in the ways of military benefits to the point that she has to claim that she is my alter ego now just googling up a few public statistics.


Please show me WHERE I have been "put in check" by your "experienced" sister. Everything I've put up for military benefits has been correct. I also pointed out that ANYONE can look them up and confirm them on the web.

I find it suspect that just when things get tough and you find that your position isn't being revered and respected, this gung-ho Officer's wife sister materializes. If my pointing that out hurts your feelings, I can't help it.

Whip can only drone on about how bad I'm getting my ass kicked while putting together no coherent thoughts.


Bwahahahhahahahaha...you're pathetic.

Tex is now resorting to calling me a rich elitist and claiming that the 35k subject is closed because of the huge numbers of people that have proven me wrong.


I don't believe I've ever called you rich. I have called you an elitist. Because you are. You are consistently snobby and offensive to pretty much everyone who's been on this, or the other, thread.

You can debate this with yourself til the end of time if it makes you feel better. But I'm not going to argue with someone who refuses to acknowledge any fact that doesn't support his preconceived viewpoint.
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Hello again from the nonexistent military wife/sister. My husband just got home, yes he is here, he has been to Iraq if that is your next question. He is very interested in this conversation and would like to know why you are so bitter TEX? He has worked for everything we have, you are being really snotty about the fact that he is an officer. This doesn't suprise either one of us as there is a line drawn in the sand so to speak, more so by enlisted by officers. We have been on both sides...enlisted and commisioned, he has the respect of his NCO's because he earned it and continues to earn it. You are angry that my brother generalized about the whole 35 grand issue yet you are generalizing about officers. I do hope that your husband has a great career and that he takes full advantage of all the great benifits offered to him, HE does deserve it for standing up to serve his country.

find it suspect that just when things get tough and you find that your position isn't being revered and respected, this gung-ho Officer's wife sister materializes. If my pointing that out hurts your feelings, I can't help it.


Yes I am proud of my husband and I consider myself patriotic.....I was that way before he was an officer, that has nothing to do with rank. You choose to believe that I do not exist. It is handier for you to believe that than to admit that you are not the all knowing, all wise, speak for the masses military spokesperson. You don't have that market cornered TEX, thank God for that!
Reply #99 from PolMach Forums Top
You can debate this with yourself til the end of time if it makes you feel better. But I'm not going to argue with someone who refuses to acknowledge any fact that doesn't support his preconceived viewpoint.


Besides offering up inspiring stories about buying $50.00 vehicles and living in $400.00 apartments, no one has touched the subject of retirement with a ten foot pole. Not one. If I have a preconcieved view point, I'm not debating myself.

All these feel good stories are nice and heart warming, but no one will dispute the fact that most of you will be living on the back of my hard work and over acheiving when it comes time to retire. You may be able to scrape by on your 35k now, but retirement will not be pleasant for you, with the prospect of paying rent for the rest of your ives and having no savings after merely existing for the bulk of your oh so poor, but love filled lives.

Bwahahahhahahahaha...you're pathetic.


Seriously Tex, at least you've refrained from calling me dude for the last several posts, but this "Bwahaha" is childish, how old are you anyways? And I'm pathetic?

You were well served by my sis speaking from tweleve years, oops, as she corrected me 13 years of military life (actually, that self correction is part of my elaborate scheme to convince you that I have a military sister who is actually non-existent). You no longer wish to debate something that YOU chose to make such a point of contention, so much so that you accused me of being a military hater. When faced with facts rather than opinions you claim I'm making up a fake sister and just digging up publicly available stats. Hell, why the elaborate plan? I could have simply looked up the stats and provided you the links. This silly accusation of making up a military sister to make a point is ludicrous.

Tell ya what Tex, since you are so afraid of a phone conversation, how about setting up a hotmail account (they are 100 % anonymous and untraceable so that we can put whip's mind at ease). I'd love to send you some scans of gas bils, electric bills, my brother in laws LES and anything else that would back up my position. I'd also like to send you pictures of my house so that you can see that I am no elitist. I live decently, but I can show you pictures of my girl's room with three little beds. My son's room that I built in the garage (whichwill be obvious that it is was built by me, I'm in food manufacturing, not construction ). Heck even pictures of my neighborhood that will illustrate we are not living in the lap of luxury, but merely providing a nice, health, safe environment for our children to live in. Again, I make this offer with all sincerity, I'm not a creep as whip is fantasizing about. I'm merely a responsible, 36 year old, father of five (soon to be six) beautiful children. That makes me maybe a little over protective of children and perhaps a bit over critica of peope whom I consider irresponsible as regards children. If a married couple with no childen are content to drive a $50.00 Datsun and live in a $10,000 trailer, congrats to them. I just question if it's the best environment for children.

So cmon Tex, give me a perfectly safe chance to so you how us elitists live and maybe next time I'm at Benning, (sometime in the next couple of weeks to show off my new baby girl) I can take some pictures of my phantom sister, Major brother-in-law and their three kids. It takes five minutes to set up an anonymous hotmail account. I'd be willing to bet that [email protected] has not been taken yet (unless of course you already have it ). I have no fear doing this because as a former Army brat, former Air Force member and current brother of an Army wife, I know you can't be all bad seing as you are an Army wife yourself. Surely your husband won't mind you getting pictures and LES scans from a fellow Army family?? Just tell him your comparing notes!!
Reply #100 from PolMach Forums Top
Eric, you DO know that admin can see what IPs are being posted from, and that if you have set up a dual account to talk to yourself or provide otherwise non-existant support for your arguments, they will both expose and make fun of you for doing so?


Oh whip, I just love you and Tex's conspiracy theories. As to the simiarities between my sister and I, great minds think alike.

I would LOVE to have you whip up an admin report, you would see that I am on a T1 connection (yes Mr. Rich man has a T1 at home) originating from the Dacula, GA area. My sister is on a cable connection originating from Columbus, GA a few miles off post of Fort Benning.

You can do nothing but throw out insipid insults, asinine accusations and occasionally get your husband to throw together a few well educated phrases thast sound real neat.

Check away little lady, I welcome it.