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Want to get out of poverty, take personal responsibility

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Reading another useless rant by the col about how much they "care" about poverty brought a few things to mind. Poverty in this country is not the governments fault, quite different than what the left wants you to think. Poverty is mostly a personal choice in this country. Aside from people who are physically or mentally unable to work choose to live in poverty and not better themselves. This is one of the big difference between the left and right. The left wants you to rely on the government and not help yourself, the right believes people should take personal responsibility for themselves, and not rely on the government.

Now I hear people like the col and our other resident radicals that state things like people could not evacuate because they are poor and had no transportation. I bet if a "50 Cent" concert was in town, people could find a ride for that. However this is basically what we are talking about. Instead of taking responsibility for yourself and finding a way out, they blame the government (mostly Bush) for not driving right up to their doorsteps and taking them away.

If you want to get out of poverty and live a good life, then just do it. Here are a few tips to get you started.

Instead of buying that new rap cd that came out, buy a book instead.

Instead of going to "the club" every night, stay home and read to your kids.

Instead of spending countless amounts of money on hair products, buy food and clothes for yourself and children.

Instead of relying on government for a paycheck, go get a job.

If you follow these basic tips you will have already gotten started on the right path.
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Reply #151 from PolMach Forums Top
And you think that the benefits we get come easy? That it's a freakin' cake walk?

YOU go get shot at and bombed every day, you spend years separated from your home and your family....then you tell me that what we've got comes easy.


That is why I apologized and said I was not referring to you, I also prefaced your benefits as "well deserved" and I truly mean that, but it does not change the fact that you have them. Why is it that you and Tex detest the fact I differentiate your benefits from mine?

By the way, thanks to you, your husband and your children for the sacrifices that ALL of you put up with for our freedom. I really mean that, no matter what we disagree on here as regards these issues, I can never thank you or your husband enough. And don't give my sister to hard a time please, both your husbands fight for the same side. (Anyways, I already give her husband more hell than he deserves for being a "not working for a living" major)


Must I write in blood that you and Tex and every other military personnel earn those benefits??

If I was the kind of person eric is, I'd have lots to say about someone who would put college tuition and their own retirement over a nurturing environment for their kids. We've seen what that kind of "responsibility" means when whole generations live with a key around their neck, or are raised by ambivalent day care.

But hey, emotionally detached kids aren't quite so bad if they aren't burdened by their parents and get their college education handed to them for free. They make better drones, too.


And you people talk to me about insulting and demeaning comments? As I have stated repeatedly, my children are raised (not detachedly watched) by a very nice lady who has lived in my home for 6 years now. Why was it so different when tex's mom watched her children? My children see their nanny as a member of our family and she is certainly better paid than Tex's mom was. My kids need not have a key around their neck, their nanny is at their bus stop to greet them and guess what? 2 hours after they get home (one hour for the middle schoolers) my wife and I arrive. We eat dinner as a family, do homework, play outside in the over-indulgent backyard of our over indulgent house, take baths and go to bed. I don't know what you, baker, feel we are depriving our children of, but is there some sort of scorecard for spending time together?

Whats really sad is that he keeps blathering on and on about "being a burden to his children" when he gets old. Perhaps that's why he's so bitter, he has a parent in a nursing home that's costing him some of his precious cash.


You think I learned personal responsibility at public school? No, I'm following an example. Like me, my father and mother provided for their children while both worked for a living. I had a fine childhood, of course I didn't get to experience the joys of poverty as you guys must have, but my dad did give me a job at 15 so I could appreciate money. I know you guys live in Utopia and I guess money has no use there, but it comes in kinda handy where I come from.

I asked myself how many intellectual giants in our history were born in those circumstances. The human race's greatest minds lived carrying water, educating themselves, living in what we would now consider to be "third world" conditions. In our modern society with modern conveniences our ability to educate ourselves has grown exponentially, and yet we expect less and less of our minds, and our souls, frankly. Now, if we can simply operate the machinery we create, do math at a 6th grade level, and speak, poorly, a second language, we're doing well in the US. Everything else is how much we make, what kind of car we drive. Few do without the 'necessities' that those who drafted our very existence often didn't have access to.


If this doesn't look familiar to you guys, it's from one of baker's other posts "Looking with Disdain at our Roots". It seems he is lamenting the fact that we have all of these opportunitys to educate ourselves and don't do so (or could it be that we should carry more water?, i don't know). Could it be that we live in a generation that is embarassed to make enough money to provide an education for their children if both parents work? A society that finds fault with children being cared for a couple of hours after school by a live in nanny so that their parents can one day afford to pay for the educational opportunities before them? Again baker, your Utopia sounds nice, and I'm right there with ya about the poor state of education in this country, but in my world, those educational opportunities come with a price tag.


Reply #152 from JoeUser Forums Top
Sucks doesn't it, when you go out of your way and sacrifice to make what you consider to be the best life for your kids, only to have someone ignorantly deem you irresponsible. Your values aren't universal. I can turn yours around and be the same kind of asshole to you that you have been to others here.

RE: my blog, you didn't get it. Not even close. Quite the opposite, really.
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Reply #153 from PolMach Forums Top


Perhaps you're scared that your children will despise you so much when they're grown that they wont give you the time of day. Fortunately, my parents will probably never need my help, but if they ever did, whats mine is theirs, and I wouldn't resent it one bit, nor would I consider it any sort of burden.


I forgot to finish my comment, my father is a Golf Club manager in Phoenix, he is 58, his home is paid for and at a salary of $250,000 I'm quite sure he won't be depending upon my measly $52,000 anytime soon. For those that want to comment on his cushy job, he was a captain in the military through Vietnam. A few years after Vietnam he was rifted (reduction in force) while we were living at Bragg. I'm sure Tex has heard the term, basically he was offered Staff Sgt rank or his honorable discharge as the military had a glut of captains after Vietnam. He took the discharge, went to school while working nights as a hotel clerk, got his accounting degree, applied at a Golf Club for accountants position and due to the military experience, was offered the managers job, the rest is history. My mom was an operator for Bell South and then AT&T.

I appreciate that you (and your kids by the way) would so willingly give up all for your parents, it's very commendable. But is it any less commendable to know that right around the time that my kids are hitting college, my father will be retiring without the need of my help. It will allow me to fully concentrate on my children's education. I appreciate that just as much as I appreciate all that he did for me as a child and young adult.
Reply #154 from PolMach Forums Top
Since it is somewhat topical and as I am banned from Tex's post about how elitist people like me encourage welfare, I'd like to make an observation here. To the weak minded I may be an encouragemnet to over spend and therefore pepatuate their life on welfare. But to the right person, my family would be an inspiration to work harder and rise above the welfare state. If someone is encouraged to over spend and therefore remain on welfare, I propose they would have done so without my encouragement.

No Tex, the reason that the welfare state will always exist; is because of people like you that make excuses for them. As this post is titled: "responsibility" is what will lift them above the welfare state, your excuses only serve to make them feel better about where they are. Because of your excuses they no longer feel guilty for living on welfare, you've given them a gift wrapped excuse to stay there (and trust me, they did'nt really recquire an excuse before you came along and gave it to them).

You seem to think that welfare recipients are so weak minded that they would perpetuate their life on welfare in a vain attempt to emulate my existence? If they are so weak minded and irresponsible, it only proves my point further that they have no business having kids. It will be a cold day in hell that I choose a frigging big screen TV over properly feeding my children.

Now my post script to avoid at least some of the insults that will be soon to follow: When I refer to wlefare recipients, I am refering to professional welfare collectors, people who exist on welfare and intentionally earn just enough to stay below the poverty line so that they don't lose benefits. I am not referring to the family that has needed a sfety net to get through a difficult time. And most importantly, I am in no way referring to military families who, due to the fact that more than half of their income is in the form of untaxable benefits and therefore have an income that qualifies for EIC, which is not in any way welfare (however, it is merely coincidental that the same people who qualify for EIC, also qualify for welfare, again I am referring to non-military personnel which is a much different situation, as Tex has pointed out, $22,000 in the military is more like $50,000 with all non taxable benefits included).

I repeat, if I have any way said anything that seems remotely demeaning to person's who have needed a safety net or God forbid military personnel, it was unintentional and I apologize in advance if it seemed so during your reading.
Reply #155 from JoeUser Forums Top
eric: I don't care what you think about welfare. Your opinion matters not a bit to me. Stop addressing me in all your long-winded comments. It's getting very annoying having my name pop up in all your posts. You can stop thinking about me now.


I DON'T CARE.
Reply #156 from JoeUser Forums Top
Whatcha got now, dude?


Is this another fine example of the "ladies" on this post drmiler?

The comment was about them just loving to go to the office with you.


Try to comprehend this drmiler:

That's not love, that's a pay-off.


You "were" warned about them and pushing to hard. Now suffer your consequences in silence!
And btw you are as bad as your sister. When replying, do try and keep track of "who" you're replying to.
Reply #157 from PolMach Forums Top
And btw you are as bad as your sister. When replying, do try and keep track of "who" you're replying to.


And you drmiler, are worse than my sister.

They also NEVER made a claim that you children don't love you. The comment was about them just loving to go to the office with you. You really need to work on your comprehension. Try this link: Link



Try to comprehend this drmiler:

That's not love, that's a pay-off.


My comments above were aimed at your quoted comments above in order to show that indeed, dharma did insinuate my children do not love me. Now that I have pointed this out, you change tactics and defend the "ladies" right to insult me in that manner because I have "pushed" them. And after all is said and done, you sir, have still not touched on any of the issues. It's all about emotions with you people. You people are defending the welfare state to the death as just poor people trying to get by, then when I show the irresponsiblilty of life (not a little help, but life) on welfare, you all change tactics and say that my over indulgent lifestyle gives them motivation to stay on welfare in the vain pusuit of Echo jeans and big screen tv's that they can't afford.

You people are just professional excuse makers. They are poor and on welfare? Obviously, it's because people like ericeba make them envious. They can't afford a car to get out of the drowning city? That damn Bush is keeping them down with his economic policy. They lost a child in the flooding of New Orleans? Sniff.., if only ericseba's wife would stay home and not make money, those poor people in New Orleans might have bought a $50.00 datsun to get out of the city instead of that damn $50.00 pair of Echo jeans for Jermaine. Now he's dead and to top it off, the jeans are all ruined from the flood waters, all because of that damn money grubbibg ericseba!!!!!!! DAMN HIM!!

You guys just keep making excuses for them and I'll just keep working to pay for them. Kinda fitting huh? I supposedly created them, so I get to pay for them.

Man I sure coulda used you guys when I was 9 and broke the sliding glass door in our house, I could not think of an excuse to save my life. You guys can excuse anything.
Reply #158 from PolMach Forums Top
Now suffer your consequences in silence!


I mean seriously, I just don't what to think of this. At first I laughed, but then it got kinda spooky. I feel like I'm at the dinner table and my dad is telling me to eat my vegetables.
Reply #159 from JoeUser Forums Top
And btw you are as bad as your sister. When replying, do try and keep track of "who" you're replying to.


And you drmiler, are worse than my sister.

They also NEVER made a claim that you children don't love you. The comment was about them just loving to go to the office with you. You really need to work on your comprehension. Try this link: Link



Try to comprehend this drmiler:

That's not love, that's a pay-off.


My comments above were aimed at your quoted comments above in order to show that indeed, dharma did insinuate my children do not love me


NOW I know for a FACT you have a reading problem! Let's start with the fact that "daharma" was NOT the one who made the comment! It was "little whip"! See below.
Now show me where in this comment she said your children didn't love. That is "if" you can.


#135 by little_whip
Thursday, September 22, 2005





We are both here from 6am until 5pm mon-fri and for a few hours in the morning on Saturdays


Yeah, and for 13 hours a day, you allow your children, (whom you purport to LOVE so much) to be raised by a minimally paid, live-in nanny.

And they 'love' going in to work with you on Sats so much because you bribe them with unhealthy, expensive, sugary donuts, pizza, and video games.

That's not love, that's a pay-off. One that's going to make them FAT and RESENTFUL when they get older.
Reply #160 from PolMach Forums Top
Your right drmiler, I do get these wenches mixed up, but they are both so far up each other's asses, I need not differentiate.

And after all is said and done, you sir, have still not touched on any of the issues.


That still stands, regardless of whether I mixed up daharma with whip.
Reply #162 from JoeUser Forums Top
Your right drmiler, I do get these wenches mixed up, but they are both so far up each other's asses, I need not differentiate


You spew this and then wonder "why" I continue to stick up for the ladies here? It don't take much of a "man" to talk to or about "any" woman like this. Only a coward would do that.
Reply #163 from PolMach Forums Top
whip-there you go again with the "sister" bit. Hey I just read your blog about mental illness, now I know why you got so uptight about my comment earlier........really I hadn't read it before so if I hit a nerve it was by chance not on purpose. Of course I am not going to apologize to you, that would give you something else to spew about and I think you tend to get riled up more by apologies.
Reply #164 from PolMach Forums Top
It don't take much of a "man" to talk to or about "any" woman like this. Only a coward would do that.


you are starting to sound like a redneck, just an observation.
Reply #165 from PolMach Forums Top
You spew this and then wonder "why" I continue to stick up for the ladies here? It don't take much of a "man" to talk to or about "any" woman like this. Only a coward would do that.


Whew drmiler, I had the honor of reading whip's article "I Failed My Psychological Evaluation" this morning. After having read it, I can assure, my vocabulary does not possess a word that would make whip blush. Hell, on the other post she's even resorting to your types of threats. Sadly, I'm more afraid of her ability to kick my ass than I am of your's.

By the way drmiler, you should read whip's article as well:

Link

Trust, me she is one "lady" that does not need you coming to her defense. I needed a spatula to get my chin off my desk it hit so hard as I read that. You should just forget the chivalry and let the "real" man here defend herself, she's doing just fine.
Reply #166 from JoeUser Forums Top
It don't take much of a "man" to talk to or about "any" woman like this. Only a coward would do that.


you are starting to sound like a redneck, just an observation.


Sorry but what I "sound" like to you makes absolutely ZERO difference to me. And you "really" shouldn't start on "rednecks". It's a very bigoted stance. You should go look up the meaning of the word before you use it.


Main Entry: red·neck
Pronunciation: 'red-"nek
Function: noun
1 sometimes disparaging : a white member of the Southern rural laboring class



And the problem with being a redneck might be?
Reply #167 from JoeUser Forums Top
You spew this and then wonder "why" I continue to stick up for the ladies here? It don't take much of a "man" to talk to or about "any" woman like this. Only a coward would do that.


Whew drmiler, I had the honor of reading whip's article "I Failed My Psychological Evaluation" this morning. After having read it, I can assure, my vocabulary does not possess a word that would make whip blush. Hell, on the other post she's even resorting to your types of threats. Sadly, I'm more afraid of her ability to kick my ass than I am of your's


Hey clown.....live anywhere near Pittsburgh,PA? If so, bring it on...I'll show you "who" the real man is. I'd be more afraid of me if I were you. LW would just knock you out and be done with it. Myself, I'd rather punish/ hurt you immensely and draw it out. BTW it's called torture.
Reply #168 from PolMach Forums Top
And the problem with being a redneck might be


Hello I am from Georgia, did I say it as though it was an insult? If you chose to take it that way then that sounds like a personal problem. Sometimes disparaging, keyword sometimes. I was laughing when I wrote it...guess I should have put in a symbol or something to reflect that. Obviously you care enough to respond.
Reply #169 from PolMach Forums Top
Myself, I'd rather punish/ hurt you immensely and draw it out. BTW it's called torture.


tsk tsk back to your threats of violence.....come on lighten up besides you know he doesn't live near PA. This just gets funnier and funnier how personaly you take this chivalry bit. Eric NEVER threatened LW so you don't need to come to her rescue. It was a COMPLIMENT to her that she can take of herself which I think she is probaly proud of but you are undermining that strength.

To Eric-I know you can take care of yourself but this was just too funny to not comment on.
Reply #170 from PolMach Forums Top
.drmiler: I have pasted the first few rules of use for this website. I think I toed the line on the meaningless messages, my bad. However I think that your comment in line 181 definitely crosses the line of rules 1,2 and 3. I am not a rule monger or anything but I noticed that admin is irate about another user who hasn't crossed that line (threats of violence) yet you a regular user have repeatedly. I do hope that these rules apply to everyone and not just new people who haven't reached the top twenty posts list. I wouldn't run to admin trying to get anyone in trouble, that is not the point of this thread. I think a lot of people, including myself, have gotten a little out of hand in three different blogs, not in expressing their opinions...that is fair game but the other stuff that blatantly breaks the rules. IT was never my intent to get people up in arms, I started feeling backed into a corner and human nature kicked in in the form of defense. I have apologized to the two I may have offended and wished them the best of luck.

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Reply #171 from JoeUser Forums Top
Me, I don't believe calling complete strangers "irresponsible" parents because of their income is courteous. That is what got all this started, isn't it? Brother Ebeneezer is still at it calling me a poser and a liar and itemizing my computer equipment and software on another blog. Not that it is doing him any good, mind you...
Reply #172 from JoeUser Forums Top
drmiler: I have pasted the first few rules of use for this website. I think I toed the line on the meaningless messages, my bad. However I think that your comment in line 181 definitely crosses the line of rules 1,2 and 3. I am not a rule monger or anything but I noticed that admin is irate about another user who hasn't crossed that line (threats of violence) yet you a regular user have repeatedly. I do hope that these rules apply to everyone and not just new people who haven't reached the top twenty posts list


I'll tell ya what....would you like me to go over your brothers comments that started all this and see how many he broke? You are seriously starting to sound like another blogger who was banned from posting! Can anyone else here say "reiki-house" Or is this just me?
Reply #173 from PolMach Forums Top
Me, I don't believe calling complete strangers "irresponsible" parents because of their income is courteous


This wasn't directed at you Baker, and I am not speaking for anyone but myself. I have admitted my faults to who I have possibly wronged and you weren't on that list. Besides it seems to be defining courteous and the word irresponsible is not a threat nor is it defamatory. But that is beside the point, some can admit when they have wronged or toed the line and others just can't step up to that particular plate which says a lot about a person. Before I get bashed for the previous statement - if you feel like you fall into that category then that is your own conscience talking not me. Have a great night:)
Reply #174 from PolMach Forums Top
I'll tell ya what....would you like me to go over your brothers comments that started all this and see how many he broke?


If that is really posed as a question then the answer is no. This could take up another six pages if everyone wants to go around quoting each other and pointing out all the crap that has been spewed on a personal level. I have done it, not proud of it but apparently I have as has been pointed out to me by Tex- hey not trying to drag you back in just pointing out you showed me some not so nice comments I made. I am not playing the "hey can't we all just get along game" because that isn't going to happen and I am good with that. However, I believe the same set of rules applies to everyone not just newbies who step into the lions den:) I hope that on future blogs opinions can be shared without threats of violence when opinions differ or get heated. No I don't think you are going to track anyone down and actually torture them, that would suck but I don't think that is your intent but hey who knows, stranger things have happened;)