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Join Date 09/2004

Hugo Chavez: Little Man, Big Mouth...(Insert Foot Where?) ;)

The Ongoing rantings of Hugo Chavez brought to you by your local cocaine packers, and your liberally biased news source...LLL-NN ;)

Seems yet again Hugo Chavez has gone ahead and farted out of his mouth.

He said on August 29th: "If the US government does not take action that it must take, we will go to the United Nations and Organisation of American States to denounce the US government," if the US fails to act against Pat Robertson. Can't qute do that Chavez, its called free speech.

He is quoted saying: "This is an international crime, terrorism" This is concerning: US television evangelist Pat Robertson, a strong supporter of President George Bush who called for Washington to assassinate him, remained a free man.

-Hmmm? So if he wants Robertson gone, does that mean he (in that instence) favors going against ones freedom of speach, which he suppossably supports? This coming from a man who is trying to: "forging close ties with communist Cuba."

Also, it seems Chavez accept Robertsons Apology:

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-Can this speaker box get his head on straight? Not likely...like a broken record player...

He also proposed:

Among changes he advocated were expansion of the 15-nation UN Security Council, which has global authority over matters of international peace and security; strengthening the role of the secretary-general, and eliminating the council veto granted the United States, China, Russia, Britain and France.

-Eh, is it me, or is Chavez trying to get his hand into the cookie jar? But can't quite get it all the way in.

Also:

Chavez, a close ally of Cuba's Fidel Castro who has clashed repeatedly with Washington, said his government would tap into its Citgo Petroleum Corporation refineries in the US to sell heating oil directly to poor communities, avoiding middle men to bring down costs.

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He's a nut. I have an article on him somewhere. He's riding high because oil is making him money. He's no different than the state oil thugs in the Middle East.

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Why Dr. Bailey! I'm sure you'll regale us all with tales of your Venezuelan Studies classes at some community colllege in Central Oregon!

Bakerstreet, our bitter-but-jesus-love-you-christian friend has one big mistake. Chavez isn't out for the same goals as those Middle Eastern kids. He wants to bring about the leftist revolution that's been brewing in South America for about 60 or more years.

You rightie idiots forgot about the South Americans. Even Dr. Bailey with all his degrees forgot about them -- and you have lots and lots and LOTS of degrees, don't ya, Dr. Bailey?

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You rightie idiots forgot about the South Americans. Even Dr. Bailey with all his degrees forgot about them -- and you have lots and lots and LOTS of degrees, don't ya, Dr. Bailey?

Knock it off! There is absolutely NO reason to go there! Why even bring it up? Because lucas is dissing on one of your favorites?

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"Bakerstreet, our bitter-but-jesus-love-you-christian friend has one big mistake. Chavez isn't out for the same goals as those Middle Eastern kids. He wants to bring about the leftist revolution that's been brewing in South America for about 60 or more years."

Myrrander, our nihilist with a heart of gold friend has one big mistake. He believes everyone means what they say except Republicans. As long as you aren't a Republican, he can overlook anything, however heinous. He actually believes people are idealistic and selfless, all they need to do is say they are. He overlooks the fact that in nations like Venezuela, "state-controlled" is actually "me-controlled" as long as you can control the state."

I bet Myrr just LOVES presidents who legislate prison terms for people who insult them and foriegners who question election results. Oh, as long as they aren't Republicans. Those must have been 500,000+ Republicans marching against Chavez on the day of the coup, not good Venezuelans. They all stayed home because they didn't care that Chavez summarily overturned union elections.

Here's my blog on him, for what it is worth.

As far as Jesus loving you, Myrr, I don't speak for Jesus. You'll find my "Christianity" takes a different tone. I couldn't care less about your soul.

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Where's Jimmy Carter?

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He said on August 29th: "If the US government does not take action that it must take, we will go to the United Nations and Organisation of American States to denounce the US government," if the US fails to act against Pat Robertson. Can't qute do that Chavez, its called free speech.

I'm fairly certain that calling for someone's assination isn't protected under free speech--it's sort of like yelling fire in a theatre--there is a potential public harm involved.

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'm fairly certain that calling for someone's assassination isn't protected under free speech--it's sort of like yelling fire in a theater--there is a potential public harm involved.

Then you'd be wrong in your assumption shades. It IS protected as long as it's not directed against the president of the United States, the VP or members of congress or government officials in general (like a judge). And actually even the "government officials are an iffy thing. It's not the talk that's necessarily wrong, but "acting" on it sure would be. And just for the record....the head of another country calling for an assassination falls under this also. What are you going to do, lock him up for saying it?

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Then you'd be wrong in your assumption shades

If I had a dollar for every time you wrote that.

There are several categories of unprotected speech in this country. One of them is "Inciting unlawful conduct." I would wager a bet that murder is still unlawful.

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Like I said...unless it's targeted against an official of the government, it's protected. How many times have you heard som eejit guy say " I wanna kill that biatch? Or I'd like to have her killed? Plenty I bet. Are the sayers all in jail? Nope. And since this threat is coming from outside the US, it rolls back to one thing. Just what do you propose we do about it? Saying it is not an unlawful act in itself. Acting on it by either trying to do it yourself or hiring a hitman ("here's your "Inciting unlawful conduct".) is most assuredly illegal. So your arguement is flawed. Notice also that "nowhere" did I say murder was legal.

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And since this threat is coming from outside the US, it rolls back to one thing.

The threat wasn't coming from outside the US--last time I checked Pat Robertson was here, in America. (Are we even talking about the same thing?)

Acting on it by either trying to do it yourself or hiring a hitman ("here's your "Inciting unlawful conduct".)

"Inciting unlawful acts" does not mean committing them. Yes, if you hire a hitman or kill someone you will be prosecutied because you conspired to murder or murdered. However, you can also be charged with "inciting unlawful acts"--it means you stir up so much hate with your rhetoric that someone listening to you is likely to go out and perform violence based on what you said.

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shadesofgret: IF anyone who ever said "I think the government oughtta take out (whoever)." was guilty of "terrorism", then we'd be a society of prisoners. It's been uttered here so often about Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong Il, hell just about every other wacko leader.

And, as I said in Extradite Robertson? Build a Bigger Gitmo..., if we are going to hold to that standard, every peasant that ever burned a flag and chanted "Death to America, Death to Bush" is a terrorist. Do you really think the bleeding hearts want that kind of standard set?

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Ya know what Myrr, i've tried being nice, dealing with your comments towards me. No more. You're gone from my blog. Permanently. Oh, and i'm from Southern Oregon. You're from Hickville Arkansas, right?

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LW--I agree with you on the assault stuff, but I am not agruing that Robertson assaulted Chavez...My point is simply that there are some categories of speech that are not protected and a good lawyer (which I am not) could most likely argue that Robertson is in unprotected terrority due to "inciting unlawful acts."

Where did I say he was a terrorist? All I commented on was whether or not he is in the protected speech category--not whether or not charges will be filed against him.

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If it isn't "protected" speech, shades, wouldn't that be the eventuality involved? If it isn't protected speech, then he can be punished or silenced by the govnernment for it. I don't see any other reason to designate it as such.

And for that reason, the foreign protesters, and especially those who are wearing "K*LL B*SH" T-shirts here and elsewhere had better watch out, huh? All those Internet sites with a picture of Bush with a gun pointed at him, all the DU idiots that openly wish for this administrations demise. Al-Jazeera's punidts had better hide. Like I said, we need a bigger Gitmo if that standard is held to.

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If it isn't "protected" speech, shades, wouldn't that be the eventuality involved?

You've got me stumped Baker. Your point is well taken--I need to do some more research.

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No worries, I just consider anything that isn't "protected" to be somethign that can be regulated, censorable, or punishable. Otherwise, what is it "protected" from?

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You guys are full of shit. Don't you know any words besides "liberal"? Stupid morons

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