Israel vs. UN: Why has it always been on bad terms with it..

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Reading about Israeli relations with the UN and the rest of the world...It makes me think, why is it that the nation of israel has always had bad relations with the UN and most nations in the world. Iran, Iraq, and other arab nations disdain israel because of animosity spanning years.

But what about France, Germany, and other European Nations? China, etc?

Below is a timeline (since creation of israeli state in '48) of UN-Israel relations:

Sept. 13 (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon headed on Tuesday for a U.N. summit expected to yield accolades for his pullout of settlers and soldiers from the Gaza Strip.

Below is a snapshot of relations between the Jewish state and the world body over the last three decades:

1974 - Yasser Arafat, leader of the Palestine Liberation Organisation, which was then sworn to destroying Israel, receives standing ovation at U.N. General Assembly.

1975 - General Assembly passes resolution equating Zionism with racism, prompting Israel's then-ambassador Chaim Herzog to tear up resolution on U.N. podium. Resolution rescinded in 1991.

2001 - Crisis between Israel and United Nations after information emerges that U.N. peacekeepers monitoring Lebanon border had suppressed video tapes of three soldiers being abducted by Hizbollah guerrillas in 2000, as well of as of blood stains found in a getaway car and some of their equipment.

2002 - Israel stops all high-level meetings with U.N. Middle East envoy Terje Roed-Larsen after he harshly criticises army for causing "colossal suffering" in fighting with militants in the Jenin refugee camp. A U.N. inquiry later dismisses Palestinian allegations that Israel had committed a massacre in the camp, but accuses army of grossly violating human rights.

2003 - General Assembly issues 18 resolutions condemning Israel for human rights violations compared to four resolutions for other countries. Israel says this figure highlights power of the pro-Palestinian Arab and Muslim bloc in pushing through anti-Israeli resolutions in the General Assembly. Israel's closest ally, the United States, often vetoes resolutions critical of Israel in U.N. Security Council.

February 2004 - General Assembly asks its highest court, the World Court, to issue advisory opinion on Israel's West Bank barrier. Israel says barrier is security bulwark against suicide bombers reaching its cities, while Palestinians call it a grab for occupied land to deny them a viable state.

July 2004 - World Court declares barrier illegal and demands Israel removes it and compensates Palestinians. General Assembly then votes 150-6 with 10 abstentions in favour of tearing down barrier.

Oct. 2004 - Israel accuses U.N. relief agency UNRWA of assisting Palestinian militants but later backs away from the claim.

Jan. 2005 - General Assembly marks its first ever commemoration of the liberation of Nazi concentration camps.

June 2005 - Israel's U.N. ambassador is chosen as one of 21 vice presidents of General Assembly, the first time in 53 years the Jewish state has held the post.

Aug. 2005 - Israel faults as "mundane" a report to the Security Council on its Gaza withdrawal by U.N. undersecretary-general Ibrahim Gambari. The pull-out, however, receives warm praise from Secretary-General Kofi Annan.


-Quite a bit of condeming and very little praise. All i see is that israel is surviving, having been placed in a spot where they can't be lenient in anything. Being surrounded by nations that would rather see it destroyed is no easy task.

I for one do not condem israel, i praise it. For surviving this long.

I do acknowledge that Israel has had times where its actions have been, "gray", but show me a country that has never done something to preserve itself that is "gray", in terms of a nation's "morality".

Why is it?

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
You need to go back further than three decades, Lucas. Find out about the origins of the state. Then the animosity between Israel and its immediate neighbours may begin to make more sense to you.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
"You need to go back further than three decades, Lucas. Find out about the origins of the state. Then the animosity between Israel and its immediate neighbours may begin to make more sense to you."

Yes, go back to the time when Israel's neighbours did not only want to destroy it, but actually attempted it and came fairly close.

Learn how the UN divided Palestine and how the Arabs rejected the plan and vowed to kill every Jew instead.

Compare the fate of Arab refugees and Jewish refugees and how the UN helped the first group but not the second; and how Israel is blamed for expelling Arabs after the Arabs attempted to destroy Israel while no Arab country has ever been officially reprimanded for expelling Jews in the same time period.

Learn how Israel was not allowed to be a part of a UN regional group and thus excluded from many positions in the UN. (They know joined "Europe and others" but are still excluded from most positions.)

Learn how the Arabs put Palestinian refugees in refugee camps around Israel while Israel made Jewish refugees equal citizens. Learn how the UN blamed Israel for the refugee camps.

Read about how the UN withdrew peace keepers when Nasser demanded it so that Nasser could invade again.

The attitude of the UN towards Israel has changed a lot and Furry Canary is right when he points out that you should look at the history before the last few decades. Because if you think the UN was anti-semitic in the last few decades, than I'm afraid you have missed the big show.

The fact that Israel is now not allowed to build a security fence in occupied land (while every other country is allowed to do so), is nothing compared to the days of old.

Standing ovations for those who want to kill Jews are nothing new. If you are American and want to feel good about yourself, just remember that the US is not among those celebrating murderers.

And thank you for that!
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well Lucas, you pulled it off. A VERY good article with a lot of research behind it. And btw.....don't pay any attention to the furry bird. Just ignore her. You get an insightful from me for it.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
this is just MY opinion... feelings.... thoughts.

The Jews have been persecuted for so many millenium that it just is not a big thing anymore for countries to have irrational hatred for them.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Have you noticed that it is always the current anti-semitism that is justified (or not anti-semitism)? Past violence or discrimination directed at Jews was always unjustified, but current violence and discrimination directed at Jews is always acceptable.

In 50 years or so people will look at the second half of the 20th century and the first decade of the 21st and they will find that Arabs burning down synagogues IS anti-semitism, was wrong, and must never happen again. They will also notice that the UN discriminated against Israel and find that a typical example of the past's anti-semitism.

And then they will agree with the European Union expelling all Jews because the Jews attempted to take over Lithuania or some such event, citing concrete examples of Jewish wrongdoing and referring to anti-semitism as something that happened in the past, in the barbaric 20th century.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Why doesn’t the UN protect Jews? Because it is mostly made up of countries who have spent the whole of their time as a country persecuting and stealing from them. Don’t ever expect justice from the UN concerning the Jews.

It is not recent, I agree. Most people don’t know about England, France and the rest of Europe’s hate activities against the Jews. Below are some examples.

Lets go back to the year 1000 (I like even numbers). Jews were just starting to arrive in England.

By 1095 the Crusades take on a harsh anti-semitic tone.

1099 Jerusalem is captured by the Crusaders. They put the Jews in a Synagogue and burn it to the ground. (July16)..For 88 YEARS all Jews are BANISHED from Jerusalem!

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1171-In Blois France 51 Jews burned at the stake for “ritual murder.” (The first charge of that nature ever on the European continent.)

1182 FRANCE---Phillip II banishes all Jews from France.

BACK TO ENGLAND: 1189 3rd crusade begins….anti-Jew riots in London during the coronation of Richard I (The Lionhearted.)

1190 Jews of York England commit mass suicide to keep from being baptized. YIKES!

1194 THE ORDINANCE OF JEWRY proclaimed in England to keep track of all individual Jewish wealth (so the crown could later take it!)

1216 ITALY Pope Innocent III orders all Jews to wear a special badge (nov 30th). This is enforced in most all Catholic countries for 5 centuries!

1290 Edward I kicks all JEWS out of England (and keeps their stuff)

1306 All Jews expelled from France (but not their stuff).

On and on and on it goes…all across Europe and it has never stopped. Jews were segregated (that is where the word Ghetto comes from…places in Europe the Jews were forced to live in groups …so they could be watched…and kept from making money so the places were poor.)
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
Good summary.

Just for the sake of my own country of birth, Germany, I'd like to add that MOST OF THE TIME Germany treated Jews better than everybody else did. That is why most European Jews eventually moved to Germany, started speaking German (Yiddish), referred to themselves as Germans (Ashkenazi in Hebrew), and spread eastwards, still clinging to the German language and German traditions. Some orthodox Jews still speak Yiddish at home because of that history. In Germany, Jews often had the same rights as other citizens. That was unheard of in Europe at the time (and is, except for Bahrain and few others, unheard of in the Arab world).

Germany was once a safe haven for Jews, before it became hell on earth for most minorities.

(The French Dreyfuss affair shows how much Jews were associated with Germany at the time.)

But it is true that anti-semitism has been with us for a long time and few nations managed to get rid of it. Currently, the US have managed and have been quite stable. Germany managed it in the past, but was caught again.

The international community (whatever that is) still has much to learn.

How often has the UN General Assembly condemned wars by Arab countries against Israel with the goal of completely destroying that country?

How often has the GA condemned Israeli attempts to survive such wars and prevent new attacks?
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well Lucas, you pulled it off. A VERY good article with a lot of research behind it. And btw.....don't pay any attention to the furry bird. Just ignore her. You get an insightful from me for it.


:O *Falls over dead, he's shocked* Thanks Dr. M, means a lot...

for countries to have irrational hatred for them.


-Thats pretty much my point, although i didn't get it across well, is its irrational hatred...its just stupid...but...hey whatcha gonna do...

-Its almost as if they're thought of as a disease, leprosy, or the bubonic plague...

Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
'And btw.....don't pay any attention to the furry bird. Just ignore her.'
Not for the first time, drmiler, I'm a HIM, if you don't mind!
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
nd btw.....don't pay any attention to the furry bird. Just ignore her.'
Not for the first time, drmiler, I'm a HIM, if you don't mind!


Okay... All right already! And btw.....don't pay any attention to the furry bird. Just ignore HIM! And no, I don't mind at all.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
Furry did make a good point though. Without that reminder, one might have gotten the impression that the last few decades were somehow representative of the UN's general behaviour towards the Jewish state.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
'And btw.....don't pay any attention to the furry bird. Just ignore her.'
Not for the first time, drmiler, I'm a HIM, if you don't mind!


Yes, Furry IS a man. He and I are going to run away together someday.....
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
'And btw.....don't pay any attention to the furry bird. Just ignore her.'
Not for the first time, drmiler, I'm a HIM, if you don't mind!


Yes, Furry IS a man. He and I are going to run away together someday.....


And here all this time I thought you were was running away with me?
Now I'm bummed! I'm telling Ma! (Runs away laughing like a maniac!)
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
And here all this time I thought you were was running away with me? Now I'm bummed! I'm telling Ma! (Runs away laughing like a maniac!)


Whose running with who? Huh!? Woah! Wait a minute... tell me, when did *this* develope.... hmmmm?