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September 12, 2005 7:41:49 AM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums


Now the Bush Administration is saying federal troops were NOT sent early in the week because the governor of Louisiana didn't ask for them until Wednesday after the storm. However, the governor in her first conversation with President Bush on Monday asked for All Available Federal Help. Since when is the active military not part of the Federal Government? The governor did not specifically list all the types of Federal Help including the active military when speaking with the president? Any reasonable person, when asked for All Available Federal Help would include the military! If Bush had any question when he heard all available federal help from the governor of Louisiana should have asked, including the military? It is remarkable how no matter what Bush does wrong, it NEVER STOPS ON HIS DESK!
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Reply #1 September 12, 2005 7:52:53 AM
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Blame Bush, Blame Bush.
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Reply #2 September 12, 2005 7:58:26 AM
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No, it never does. As a matter of FACT, dubya declared a federal state of emergency three days prior to Katrina landfall, which should have automatically kicked in federal assistance. Now, he's claiming that in addition to declared state of emergency, Nagin should have specifically asked for assistance. HUH????????

But, what did dubya know? He was on vacation, and nothin' was gonna intrude on that. His dick was on vacation, and didn't come out from hiding until over a week later. Chertoff and Brown are nothing but unqualified political hacks, so no surprise there. But, then again dubya is nothing but a political hack, too.

BASH BUSH BASH BUSH BASH BUSH BASH BUSH BASH BUSH
He is after all, our fearless, though highly imcompetent leader.
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Reply #3 September 12, 2005 8:16:17 AM
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See the problem here col is that according to "you". EVERYTHING stops at his desk! Whether or not he was even involved OR resposible for it in the first place, you stick it on his plate.
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Reply #4 September 12, 2005 8:21:11 AM
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Of course. Bush controls everything and the local governments were doing everything they could.
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Reply #5 September 12, 2005 9:12:32 AM
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Bush hired the incompetents who hired the incompetents. The buck stops in his office. But, he never, ever acknowledges responsibility for anything. Just blames others for everything. Sickening lowlife scumbag, which you all seem to love so much. Go figure.............
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Reply #6 September 12, 2005 9:18:48 AM
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The federal response to Katrina was not as portrayed

Sunday, September 11, 2005

It is settled wisdom among journalists that the federal response to the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina was unconscionably slow.



Jack Kelly is national security writer for the Post-Gazette and The Blade of Toledo, Ohio ([email protected], 412-263-1476).


"Mr. Bush's performance last week will rank as one of the worst ever during a dire national emergency," wrote New York Times columnist Bob Herbert in a somewhat more strident expression of the conventional wisdom.

But the conventional wisdom is the opposite of the truth.

Jason van Steenwyk is a Florida Army National Guardsman who has been mobilized six times for hurricane relief. He notes that:

"The federal government pretty much met its standard time lines, but the volume of support provided during the 72-96 hour was unprecedented. The federal response here was faster than Hugo, faster than Andrew, faster than Iniki, faster than Francine and Jeanne."

For instance, it took five days for National Guard troops to arrive in strength on the scene in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew hit in 2002. But after Katrina, there was a significant National Guard presence in the afflicted region in three.

Journalists who are long on opinions and short on knowledge have no idea what is involved in moving hundreds of tons of relief supplies into an area the size of England in which power lines are down, telecommunications are out, no gasoline is available, bridges are damaged, roads and airports are covered with debris, and apparently have little interest in finding out.

So they libel as a "national disgrace" the most monumental and successful disaster relief operation in world history.

I write this column a week and a day after the main levee protecting New Orleans breached. In the course of that week:

More than 32,000 people have been rescued, many plucked from rooftops by Coast Guard helicopters.

The Army Corps of Engineers has all but repaired the breaches and begun pumping water out of New Orleans.

Shelter, food and medical care have been provided to more than 180,000 refugees.

Journalists complain that it took a whole week to do this. A former Air Force logistics officer had some words of advice for us in the Fourth Estate on his blog, Moltenthought:

"We do not yet have teleporter or replicator technology like you saw on 'Star Trek' in college between hookah hits and waiting to pick up your worthless communications degree while the grown-ups actually engaged in the recovery effort were studying engineering.

"The United States military can wipe out the Taliban and the Iraqi Republican Guard far more swiftly than they can bring 3 million Swanson dinners to an underwater city through an area the size of Great Britain which has no power, no working ports or airports, and a devastated and impassable road network.

"You cannot speed recovery and relief efforts up by prepositioning assets (in the affected areas) since the assets are endangered by the very storm which destroyed the region.

"No amount of yelling, crying and mustering of moral indignation will change any of the facts above."

"You cannot just snap your fingers and make the military appear somewhere," van Steenwyk said.

Guardsmen need to receive mobilization orders; report to their armories; draw equipment; receive orders and convoy to the disaster area. Guardsmen driving down from Pennsylvania or Navy ships sailing from Norfolk can't be on the scene immediately.

Relief efforts must be planned. Other than prepositioning supplies near the area likely to be afflicted (which was done quite efficiently), this cannot be done until the hurricane has struck and a damage assessment can be made. There must be a route reconnaissance to determine if roads are open, and bridges along the way can bear the weight of heavily laden trucks.

And federal troops and Guardsmen from other states cannot be sent to a disaster area until their presence has been requested by the governors of the afflicted states.

Exhibit A on the bill of indictment of federal sluggishness is that it took four days before most people were evacuated from the Louisiana Superdome.

The levee broke Tuesday morning. Buses had to be rounded up and driven from Houston to New Orleans across debris-strewn roads. The first ones arrived Wednesday evening. That seems pretty fast to me.

A better question -- which few journalists ask -- is why weren't the roughly 2,000 municipal and school buses in New Orleans utilized to take people out of the city before Katrina struck?


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Reply #7 September 12, 2005 9:19:40 AM
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Just blames others for everything. Sickening lowlife scumbag, which you all seem to love so much. Go figure.............


Just as you blame Bush for everything?
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Reply #8 September 12, 2005 9:19:41 AM
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The 1993 GAO report said,' The ONLY agency that can deal with major disasters ( Like Katrina) in the Active Military. Then when the Governor said to Bush, send all available federal help would Bush not sent the military FIRST! Bush is a looser from start to finish. He shows that by his own actions and by the caliber of people he appoints to KEY positions!
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Reply #9 September 12, 2005 9:26:47 AM
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He shows that by his own actions and by the caliber of people he appoints to KEY positions!


Then why hasn't he appointed a loser such as yourself to a key position? You'd be the biggest loser he could possibly appoint.
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Reply #10 September 12, 2005 9:44:21 AM
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Bush is a looser from start to finish.


Bush - twice elected President.

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Reply #11 September 12, 2005 10:05:29 AM
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Elected one time appointed one time. If every voters vote had been counted as intended in 2000, Bush would not have been President! That does not chance his results. He said we should judge by results. Sounds good to me!!
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Reply #12 September 12, 2005 10:08:08 AM
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Terpfan 1980

First, I would never have worked for the likes of GWB. Second, I would be happy to compare my background with GWB less his father's help!
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Reply #13 September 12, 2005 10:12:01 AM
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Elected one time appointed one time. If every voters vote had been counted as intended in 2000, Bush would not have been President! That does not chance his results. He said we should judge by results. Sounds good to me!!


That's just false col. Bush was elected twice. You are just feeding into the liberals nonsense about the 2000 election. Every media poll, remember the things that you swear by, show that Bush would have won if a total recount was done. Bush won, you really need to get over it.


I would be happy to compare my background with GWB less his father's help!


Once again,

Bush - twice elected President

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No comparison col.
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Reply #14 September 12, 2005 10:22:12 AM
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Bush winning the first election....... 50 million {votes}

Bush winning the second election 53 million {votes.


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Reply #15 September 12, 2005 11:13:48 AM
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Bush - twice elected President


Twice stolen presidency
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Reply #16 September 12, 2005 12:54:41 PM
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Bush did NOT receive the most votes in 2000. In addition, in Palm Beach County, 3,500 votes were not counted because of confusion in the ballot design. That area was very Democratic and most if not all of those 3,500 votes were cast for Gore. That would have given Florida to Gore without any other recount. If the Court had not stopped the manual count Deuval county ( 29,000 votes) would have givenGore the win in Florida. The 2004 election is an example of an error in the judgement of many who voted for Bush. That has been proven by the fact only 1/3 of Americans now support Bush!
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Reply #17 September 12, 2005 1:18:19 PM
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You know, I broke a toe the other night, for no other reason than Bush failed to push through Congress a bill madating night lighting in all homes in America to protect us.

God damn that incompetent son-of-a-bitch Bush.

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Reply #18 September 12, 2005 1:47:12 PM
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Bush did NOT receive the most votes in 2000. In addition, in Palm Beach County, 3,500 votes were not counted because of confusion in the ballot design. That area was very Democratic and most if not all of those 3,500 votes were cast for Gore. That would have given Florida to Gore without any other recount. If the Court had not stopped the manual count Deuval county ( 29,000 votes) would have givenGore the win in Florida.


In your wet dreams, Gene. This is unadulterated hogwash, for one thing, and pointless for another. If a recount was to be done, it should have been statewide. And for good measure, the other 49 states, too. Cherry picking the one county in the country where the Dems thought they could manage to steal a state was and remains pathetic. I always marvel at the Gene-types who think they "know" a hypothetical, and unknowable, outcome.

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Reply #19 September 12, 2005 3:03:43 PM
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Bush did NOT receive the most votes in 2000. In addition, in Palm Beach County, 3,500 votes were not counted because of confusion in the ballot design.


Try again col! From wikipedia:


The Florida election has been closely scrutinized since the election, and several irregularities are thought to have favored Bush. These included the notorious Palm Beach "butterfly ballot", which produced an unexpectedly large number of votes for third-party candidate Patrick Buchanan,
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Reply #20 September 12, 2005 5:02:39 PM
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As usual you do not know what you are talking about. The 3,500 votes were not counted because the voters were confused and first pinched the ballot thinking they had voted for Gore. Then they say they actually voted for Buchanan. They then punched the ballot a second time causing their vote not to be counted. Thus, 3,500 voters who intended to vote for Gore did not have their votes counted. Bush won Florida by just over 500 votes. If the 3,500 votes for Gore been counted AS THE VOTERS INTENDED, Bush would have lost Florida by just under 3,000 votes! That has NOTHING to do with the recount which is a separate issue. In addition, Gore won the popular vote. Those are the facts!
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Reply #21 September 12, 2005 6:38:21 PM
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And those were the "only" ballots "not counted" in all of Florida, Gene?

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Reply #22 September 12, 2005 6:53:39 PM
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I do not know how many ballots were not counted beyond the 29,000 in Duval and 3,500 in Palm Beach County. However, if the 3,500 votes in Palm Beach County had been counted as the voters intended, Bush would not have been President! If those voters had not been confused by the ballot , which was different from all other counties, Bush would have lost Florida! To say Bush was the choice of the voters, either popular or electoral college is not true! Only because of confusion and the error of punching the wrong person because of the unclear Ballot Form , did he become President!
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Reply #23 September 12, 2005 7:28:47 PM
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Had the national networks not already projected a winner, many folks in the panhandle who didn't vote might have. Had those folks figured the state was still up for grabs, those 3500 ballots in Palm Beach County might not have mattered at all. Pointless discussion, anyway, for someone with the kind of tunnel vision you have.

Had all those dead people in Chicago stayed away from the polls in 1960, Nixon would have beaten Kennedy, but I got over that. You should get over this.

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Reply #24 September 12, 2005 7:35:46 PM
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Oh, and one other thing.

I don't believe I've read anywhere in this thread or any recent threads that anyone was saying that Bush won the popular vote in 2000 - he didn't. And the people had a second chance to vote Bush in or out in 2004, in case you've forgotten.

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Reply #25 September 12, 2005 8:06:29 PM
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As usual you do not know what you are talking about. The 3,500 votes were not counted because the voters were confused and first pinched the ballot thinking they had voted for Gore. Then they say they actually voted for Buchanan. They then punched the ballot a second time causing their vote not to be counted. Thus, 3,500 voters who intended to vote for Gore did not have their votes counted. Bush won Florida by just over 500 votes. If the 3,500 votes for Gore been counted AS THE VOTERS INTENDED, Bush would have lost Florida by just under 3,000 votes! That has NOTHING to do with the recount which is a separate issue. In addition, Gore won the popular vote. Those are the facts!


Nope try again clueless one! As per usual "you" did NOT do your homework. I'll try again. Once again from wikipedia



The Florida election has been closely scrutinized since the election, and several irregularities are thought to have favored Bush. These included the notorious Palm Beach "butterfly ballot", which produced an unexpectedly large number of votes for third-party candidate Patrick Buchanan, and a purge of some 50,000 alleged felons from the Florida voting rolls
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