Racism is more than a two way street.

I have been called in my life "dirty Jew" by both whites and blacks "Jesse Jackson called new york city, Jew york city where was the outrage then? The leader of the black Muslim nation Louis farrakhan is an out and out Jew hater, a white hater too, why are these two not mentioned when racism is being talked about?

ALL racism is wrong and must be fought against. On this site I have not seen evidence of 'black racism', only from the white side, that's probably why its not talked about here.

"ALL racism is wrong and must be fought against. On this site I have not seen evidence of 'black racism', only from the white side, that's probably why its not talked about here."

The knee-jerk branding of an idea as racism is just as stupid and thoughtless as racism. Both seek to marginalize and negate someone because of pre-concieved notions. Silencing people isn't the way to deal with racism.

No offense, but you are living in lands taken from it's previous residents because your nation considers itself "God's Chosen People". I wouldn't start casting stones about race, Mano.

I wouldn't start casting stones about race, Mano.

Baker, I think you know that from my threads I oppose taking lands from anyone and fight that injustice daily.

Reply By: ManopeacePosted: Sunday, September 04, 2005I have been called in my life "dirty Jew" by both whites and blacks "Jesse Jackson called new york city, Jew york city where was the outrage then? The leader of the black Muslim nation Louis farrakhan is an out and out Jew hater, a white hater too, why are these two not mentioned when racism is being talked about?ALL racism is wrong and must be fought against. On this site I have not seen evidence of 'black racism', only from the white side, that's probably why its not talked about here.

maNO IF YOU DO NOT THINK THAT EVERYTIME A WHITE SAYS BOO AND A BLACK JUMPS ALL OVER THEM THAT IS A FORM OF RACISIM PURE AND SIMPLE.

Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Sunday, September 04, 2005"ALL racism is wrong and must be fought against. On this site I have not seen evidence of 'black racism', only from the white side, that's probably why its not talked about here."The knee-jerk branding of an idea as racism is just as stupid and thoughtless as racism. Both seek to marginalize and negate someone because of pre-concieved notions. Silencing people isn't the way to deal with racism.No offense, but you are living in lands taken from it's previous residents because your nation considers itself "God's Chosen People". I wouldn't start casting stones about race, Mano.

ouch... is that a jew bating bash?? { I know it's not} but see how easy I can play the Jew card?

Reply By: ManopeacePosted: Sunday, September 04, 2005I wouldn't start casting stones about race, Mano.Baker, I think you know that from my threads I oppose taking lands from anyone and fight that injustice daily.

well then lets get the ones thaT TOOK OUR LANDS MANO SO LONG AGO AND MADE THE jEWS STATELESS AND HOMELESS.

TOOK OUR LANDS MANO SO LONG AGO AND MADE THE jEWS STATELESS AND HOMELESS.

that was the Romans... should we claim Italy as ours now?

"Baker, I think you know that from my threads I oppose taking lands from anyone and fight that injustice daily."

But like racism, mano, that is a matter of degrees. Sure, you oppose FURTHER land grabs, but many rate the existance of Israel as one big land grab.

That's my point, which you aren't getting. "Zionism" varies by degrees, as racism. You feel justified to draw lines in teh sand, and others feel justified to point out that the majority of looters were black.

Before you start limiting people's ability to voice their opinions, I suggest you look to how much of your very existance relies upon hotly-debated opinion.

"ouch... is that a jew bating bash?? { I know it's not} but see how easy I can play the Jew card?"

LOL. Sorry, I just see a lot of irony in someone living in Israel imposing their definition of racism on other people. If anyone, on the face of the earth, should understand how relative concepts of racism can be, it should be Mano.

You can't "eliminate" racism if you can't even define it without abusing and marginalizing people.

#7 by Manopeace Sunday, September 04, 2005

TOOK OUR LANDS MANO SO LONG AGO AND MADE THE Jews STATELESS AND HOMELESS. that was the Romans... should we claim Italy as ours now?

yeh and any one that fought with the roman legions we should get there country too. and Egypt, they owe me a lot of money because my people were slaves and built there civilization. and the Germans owe me personally too and the Russian. yes the whole world hates JEWS that much is obvious to me because of history, the genocide, the pogroms the ghettos we had to live it, the confiscation of all land and property by the Spanish. The burning of Synagogues in America the terrorist that target Jews, is there anyone black, white, christian, Muslim that has not killed maimed stole from just because we are Jewish?

You feel justified to draw lines in teh sand, and others feel justified to point out that the majority of looters were black.

The language used was more than the word 'Blacks"...THAT is racism!

#9 by BakerStreet Sunday, September 04, 2005

"ouch... is that a jew bating bash?? { I know it's not} but see how easy I can play the Jew card?" LOL. Sorry, I just see a lot of irony in someone living in Israel imposing their definition of racism on other people. If anyone, on the face of the earth, should understand how relative concepts of racism can be, it should be Mano. You can't "eliminate" racism if you can't even define it without abusing and marginalizing people.

agreed, glad I gave ya a smile on a real touchy subject.

The point is not everything said by every white is a racist statement.

Racism, to me, is viewing another person as inferior or "lower" or assigning negative traits to him (based on his race) without actually knowing him.

Is it racism to point out the race or skin color of someone who has done something awful or committed a crime (or conversely, done something amazing or wonderful or kind)? No, not really. I notice the color of people's skin just as an aesthetic thing. When I describe a person to someone else, I might mention the color of the individual I'm describing's skin.

It becomes racism when the pointing out of race or skin color is used to make assumptions about a race (a Jewish business owner overcharges his customers = all Jews are greedy) or to imply that a race is inferior or uniformly has negative traits (Hispanic people are thieves. It's just the way they are. Lock up your jewelry when your friend Maria comes to visit.).

I think we all have areas that we need to work on as far as racism goes. We need to work toward eliminating the presumptions and try to treat everyone with as much kindness as our relationship with them warrants. I am still have a long way to go in learning not to prejudge and stereotype others. I am not blameless.

and the general behavior of your own people

This demonstrates nicely what I'm talking about. "You" people. Blacks are not a collective. They don't have weekly meetings wherein they decide what all blacks should do and what type of attitude they should have for the week.

Black people, like Jewish people and Caucasian people and Hispanic people and Asian people, etc. are individuals. I don't know how fair or correct it is to assign "general behavior" to a race of people.

Not to pick on ForeverSerenity, but she is a well known black woman here on JU. She shows respect for herself and others. She is kind, bright, and informed. She doesn't slander other people because of their race, nor does she "play the race card".

How fair is it to hold her accountable for the actions of people who happen to share her race or skin tone? Should she be responsible for controlling the actions of people she has never met?

How fair is it for her to have to sort through oodles of articles on JU criticizing her by race for things that she has absolutely nothing to do with nor any control over?

Racism hurts wonderful people like ForeverSerenity. Why contribute to that?

Thank you Tex.

all the use of looking to your own people means is see what your own does before throwing stones tex.

Like I pointed out there are two prime examples of black racisim towards white and Jews, then I said that even with these examples that I do not think all blacks are racist.

Racism hurts wonderful people like ForeverSerenity. Why contribute to that?

well tex, like you said she does not fling the race card everytime someone mentions blacks, I like her, far as I know she likes me.

all the use of looking to your own people means is see what your own does before throwing stones tex.

But that assumes that all races are some sort of collective and are responsible for the actions of one another. It doesn't work that way.

I'm white. Irish, French, Native American, etc. Should I see what other Irish Americans or Native Americans or French Americans are doing before I choose to speak or act? If a group of people named O'Neal and Sullivan go on a crime spree and start killing people, does that mean that I am, by nature, a murderer? Does it mean that I'm not controlling "my people"?

I just can't abide by the idea that we all belong to these race-wide groups and that we are responsible for intervening in the actions (or at least responsible for publicly condemning said actions) of other people who belong to our race.

Like I pointed out there are two prime examples of black racisim towards white and Jews, then I said that even with these examples that I do not think all blacks are racist.

Which is good because it indicates you are forming your opinions based on individuals and not thrusting the guilt of some individuals onto others whose only connection to the guilty individuals is sharing similar pigmentation. That's how it should be.

I'm not here to call you a racist, MM. I think that's a pretty strong charge to throw at someone, and I don't take it lightly.

I think it's good and constructive to have these discussions and examine our attitudes.

Hmm...what exactly is racism:

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2.Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Ah...that should narrow the playing field a bit. So when people notice different races, they aren't racist!

Great article, Mod...I gave up on discussing race a long time ago...it's harder not being racist than it is to be racist...because you're always defending yourself and trying to prove you're not....*sigh*

~Zoo

17 by little_whip Sunday, September 04, 2005

I'm staying out of this one, folks, and as a matter of fact, I'm going to take a break from JU altogether for the next few days.

be well my slightly crazy cyberfriend... email me will ya? if ya wanna. if not looking forward to your return.

Does it mean that I'm not controlling "my people"?

I did not say control BUT LOOK AT BEHAVIOR, before throwing stones.

Which is good because it indicates you are forming your opinions based on individuals and not thrusting the guilt of some individuals onto others whose only connection to the guilty individuals is sharing similar pigmentation. That's how it should be.

and this is what drives me crazy tex, the actions of bigot racist are the actions of a few white towards blacks yet all whites get painted with the racist label if they dare point out anything negative about a black person.

I'm not here to call you a racist, MM. I think that's a pretty strong charge to throw at someone, and I don't take it lightly. I think it's good and constructive to have these discussions and examine our attitudes.

I am glad you do not call me a racist, for I am not one, and I too think we should not be so damn sensative anout discussing race.

#19 by Zoologist03 Sunday, September 04, 2005

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. 2.Discrimination or prejudice based on race. Ah...that should narrow the playing field a bit. So when people notice different races, they aren't racist! Great article, Mod...I gave up on discussing race a long time ago...it's harder not being racist than it is to be racist...because you're always defending yourself and trying to prove you're not....*sigh* ~Zoo

thanx zoo. I would refuse to take the "you are a racist bait" I know what's in my heart and frack anyone that does not like it.

The overuse of blacks of the race card is getting tiresome.

Almost as tiresome as whites overusing the "this world is too politically correct" card.

I did not say control BUT LOOK AT BEHAVIOR, before throwing stones.

And then what? So if I want to accuse someone of something, but notice that a lot of hispanics do it too, my complaint against the offending party is completely invalidated?

now PB has been attacked on several threads (not this one) due not to his opinions on the hurricane response but merely due to his friendship with me. (thanks, Phil, Myrrander, Furry Canary, and others.)

When did I attack PB? What did I do?

23 by Philomedy Sunday, September 04, 2005

The overuse of blacks of the race card is getting tiresome. Almost as tiresome as whites overusing the "this world is too politically correct" card.

both bore me to tears philo.

did not say control BUT LOOK AT BEHAVIOR, before throwing stones. And then what? So if I want to accuse someone of something, but notice that a lot of hispanics do it too, my complaint against the offending party is completely invalidated?

/ All I did was point out what was happening as reported.
you are much , much to sensative philo and jump to race conclusions faster than anyone I have known in many years.

the third thing I cannot comment on.

It's getting to where you can't mention the color of someone's skin or comment on their culture without being accused of rascism.

I always thought that we should celebrate each others differences, not want to homogenize ourselves. But, we can't do that any more. Any mention of differences, be they ethnic or cultural, seems to be prohibited.

So I guess I can be tarred with the rascist brush too. Whatever. I know what's in my heart, and it aint hatred because of the color of someone's skin.....it's comtempt for people's actions. There's a HUGE difference, but people don't want to see that.

All I did was point out what was happening as reported.you are much , much to sensative philo and jump to race conclusions faster than anyone I have known in many years.

No, you pointed out that African-Americans need to look at what other African-Americans do before criticizing Caucasian-Americans for doing something. I didn't make anything about race; You did. You could have pointed out an universal truth: That people should take a good, long look at themselves before criticizing others. You chose not to do that. You chose to point out that black people should take a good, long look at black people before critizing white people.

Note, I'm not calling you a racist. Just saying what I got out of this article. I don't understand why so much is being written about "Why do black people do this" and "Why don't white people do this" and "blacks should" and "whites should" and all of that stuff. I don't get why we can't write about what people should do without classifying them as one thing or another.