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Reply #1 September 1, 2005 12:20:50 PM
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Reply #2 September 1, 2005 2:17:27 PM
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hey, wait a second, why are those looters all white?
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Reply #3 September 1, 2005 3:35:51 PM
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hey, wait a second, why are those looters all white?
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Reply #4 September 1, 2005 3:44:52 PM
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That toon is Funny!
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Reply #5 September 1, 2005 4:04:03 PM
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Just how, exactly, is a tax cut (letting people KEEP more of the money that they earned) "looting"?
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Reply #6 September 1, 2005 4:06:45 PM
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ust how, exactly, is a tax cut (letting people KEEP more of the money that they earned) "looting"?


they are obviously doing away with the tax cut... that's how.
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Reply #7 September 1, 2005 4:28:49 PM
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Just how, exactly, is a tax cut (letting people KEEP more of the money that they earned) "looting"?


Because it wasn't a cut. It was a redistribution upwards to the wealthy. Ever hear of corporate welfare.

Sheesh, get a funny bone.
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Reply #8 September 1, 2005 8:27:17 PM
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Because it wasn't a cut. It was a redistribution upwards to the wealthy. Ever hear of corporate welfare.


I got a tax cut, and I'm not part of the evil rich. Well maybe since liberals think anybody who makes over $30,000 a year is rich.
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Reply #9 September 2, 2005 1:24:52 AM
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Because it wasn't a cut. It was a redistribution upwards to the wealthy. Ever hear of corporate welfare.

That doesn't make sense to me.  A tax cut is simply the reduction in the amount of money the government takes from an individual.

 

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Reply #10 September 2, 2005 1:40:09 AM
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Funny Comic Dabe!!

Because it wasn't a cut. It was a redistribution upwards to the wealthy. Ever hear of corporate welfare.


Hey, I must be a wealthy corperation!! Whoda thunk!!! ;~D
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Reply #11 September 2, 2005 10:52:42 AM
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The fact is, you may have received some money back, but nothing compared to the profits gained by corporate interests. That's the point. Sheesh..............
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Reply #12 September 2, 2005 11:14:12 AM
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Price Gouging - The Unreported Scandal
Gas prices go up... why?

Enron, Tyco, WorldCom... white people mostly...


Personally, I think the idea of this comic is just to say this: before you start talking about why all the people who are looting are black, maybe you should talk about why are all the people looting America and the public are white.

What is the difference? One takes a TV, the other takes a few million.


Either way, both are wrong, but you don't get to see the other thieves on TV as much
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Reply #13 September 2, 2005 11:28:50 AM
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how much money did you get from tax cuts? How much have you given to charity? How many thousands have you sent to New Orleans? NOTICE HOW THIS HAS GONE UNANSWERED?
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Reply #14 September 2, 2005 12:11:50 PM
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When major storms threatened the Florida coast recently, Governor Jeb Bush had buses prepared ahead of time to evacuate people--poor people especially. Nothing similar to this advance preparation happened during Katrina's approach.

Let's see dabe produce an editorial cartoon that examines the Mayor of New Orleans and the Governor of Louisiana. You know: the elected officials who had a direct and immediate and exclusive responsibility to the people of New Orleans.
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Reply #15 September 2, 2005 1:25:22 PM
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The fact is, you may have received some money back, but nothing compared to the profits gained by corporate interests. That's the point. Sheesh..............

That's not true.  Corporations were not part of the "massive" tax cut.  Their rates remained the same.  Moreover, it's not about getting money "back".  It's about not paying as much.

For example (by analogy), When the price of gas goes down, the gas companies aren't giving me a present. They are simply charging less for their service.

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Reply #16 September 2, 2005 2:48:23 PM
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I think what it symboloizes is the tax cut and the Iraq war weakening the anti-flood protection (you can clearly see a sandbag dyke in the background), because the funds from the tax cut and Iraq war should have gone to improving the flood control systems.
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Reply #17 September 2, 2005 2:55:26 PM
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Right, because the City of New Orleans and the State of Louisiana were totally powerless to manage their own flood control systems.

The situation in New Orleans right now has been over thirty years in the making. It's a cute illustration, but a feeble and unrealistic argument.
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Reply #18 September 2, 2005 8:21:55 PM
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Reply By: stutefishPosted: Friday, September 02, 2005Right, because the City of New Orleans and the State of Louisiana were totally powerless to manage their own flood control systems.The situation in New Orleans right now has been over thirty years in the making. It's a cute illustration, but a feeble and unrealistic argument.


how about the dikes were for the most part built in the 30's by7 the WPA under FDR?

but no matter what it all boils down to president bushes fault.. the all powerfull can go back in time 70 years and fix things bush.
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Reply #19 September 2, 2005 9:09:47 PM
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funding for SE Louisiana Flood Control (established by Congress in 1995) was cut by nearly 50% in the past few years...Corps of Engineers folks who might have been in LA were instead in Iraqistan. That's what the cartoon means. Flood Control = Nonessential to US security; Regime Change 7,000 miles away = Matter of vital interest.

how about the dikes were for the most part built in the 30's by7 the WPA under FDR?


most of the braindead righties go for the "blame Clinton first" route, but we have to credit Elie, he takes the madness to a new level
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Reply #20 September 2, 2005 9:56:28 PM
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Right, because the City of New Orleans and the State of Louisiana were totally powerless to manage their own flood control systems.

The situation in New Orleans right now has been over thirty years in the making. It's a cute illustration, but a feeble and unrealistic argument.


I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm just trying to clear this up for those who didn't understand the tax cut metaphor.
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Reply #21 September 2, 2005 9:57:22 PM
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most of the braindead righties go for the "blame Clinton first" route, but we have to credit Elie, he takes the madness to a new level


Uh, I don't think he blamed FDR. He just said the dikes were built by FDR. Perhaps the problem is that they would be about 70 years old by now.
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Reply #22 September 3, 2005 12:44:23 AM
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the dikes were built by FDR. Perhaps the problem is that they would be about 70 years old by now


eleanor roosevelt would be way older than that...but i don't see how her sexual preference is relevant.
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Reply #23 September 3, 2005 1:33:39 AM
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Right, because the City of New Orleans and the State of Louisiana were totally powerless to manage their own flood control systems.


Very much so. The Army Corp of Engineers is responsible for the flood control system in NO. This is a federally funded agency. The city and state as well as the ACOE has been pushing for more funding of the system for decades. The current system has been in the works since hurricane Betsy and only approximately 85% of the work proposed back in the 60's had been funded and completed. Many flood control and seaport projects throughout the US are federally funded and come under the auspices of the ACOE.

It's unfair to blame Bush for this disaster, but it is not unfair to criticize him and his administration as well as many members of congress and the senate (Reps and Dems, past and present alike) for allowing inadequate ACOE funds for flood control projects such as SELA. As the cartoon depicts, it is fair game to criticize all who thought and may still think that money was better spent on the Iraq War and tax cuts in lieu of adequate funding for flood control projects such as SELA. I doubt the flood would have been prevented without the ACOE budget problems of the last few years, however it is now obvious that this administration had some poorly chosen priorities.

It's also fair game to criticize certain local LA politicians for inadequate disaster planning. However with NO being the #1 port in the country, SE LA being a crutial area for US oil refining capacity, the flooding of SE LA being third on homeland securities "hitlist",and the existance of many poor communities in SE LA , ......federal assistance for disaster planning should have been a priority to start with.

It's amazing to me that some people are so divided that they want to blame one side or the other, when this is clearly a failure of government at many levels,on both sides of the fence. There are an aweful lot of politicians, republicans and democrats alike that need to go. Four years after 911 and taking a look at the current situation of disaster relief in LA, it looks to me like much of the money budgeted for homeland security has been ill spent.

So in the comic put whatever labels on the sandbags.......In any case the end result is a few hundred million in flood control over the past decade may have saved us the few hundred billion impact we are now about to experience.
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Reply #24 September 3, 2005 1:45:04 AM
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Indepentant1:

That may be so, but the Mayor and Emergency Manager's office in New Orleans is responsible for Mitigation, Preparation, Response and Recovery protocols for their city. Yes, the assets of the area were overwhelmed, that is what makes it a disaster... however from what I've seen so far, his whole plan seemed to be, leave the people to evacuate themselves, and get on television and whine that everyone else isn't doing enough.

If the solution to a problem requires more from everyone else than yourself, it's just an excuse... so far, all I see from his style of leadership is a bunch of excuses with no responsibility for himself.
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Reply #25 September 3, 2005 10:28:36 AM
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As I've said, there is tons of blame to go around, and an investigation into the failures may, and I emphasize MAY bring to light culpability. The reason I say "may" is because when the outcome isn't very flattering, there will be attempts at cover-ups, from any level and any person.

Having said that, I agree completely with Independent1's post. This cartoon, as funny or as cute as it may be, points to misplaced priorites BIG TIME.
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