Something liberals should really be mad about...

... and fiscally conscious Conservatives should as well

MSN Money has a new article out, speaking about the 5 most overpayed CEOs and their compensation levels. For most of them, the compensation they received continued to be in the stratosphere while the companies they were leading saw much of their own value in serious decline. Workers lost jobs as the companies lost money, but the CEOs continued to rake in the bucks for fear they make take their failing act on the road to another organization.

On the one hand, having a CEO leave a company that is underperforming, or at least is not performing well in the market can be a very bad sign. It can spook investors, cause panic among employees that wonder in which direction the company will head under new leadership, and can cause massive turmoil if a new CEO comes in and totally changes the direction a company is headed. A CEO sets direction for a company, and their vision normally very much affects the culture of a company.

But, as a normally (despite what some may think of me here at Joeuser.com {smile}) reasonable individual, I'm left to wonder if, in many cases, it may have been a much smarter thing for these companies (and many others) to jump off the never-ending wheel over CEO over-compensation for under-performance, and instead jump over onto the tracks of fiscal responsibility and reasonableness.

During the go-go-go late 1990's, just about anyone could be the "winning" CEO of a company. The market was booming, and there was serious competition among companies trying to hire away the successful CEOs of other companies, or at least protect their own investment in their own CEOs by over-compensating them so they would not leave for greener pastures. The problem is that in many cases, the numbers that were being reported were either intentionally inflated and wrong, or just wrong because there was never time to do the actual accounting that was supposed to be done, and instead a bunch of overly optimistic estimates were done and used. (Not exactly what happened, but reasonably close enough to make my point).

In places like WorldCom, Enron and a host of others, this all became obvious in the succeeding years.

Anyway, the article below provides plenty for both sides (liberals and conservatives) to be mad about. On the one hand, liberals can be mad about the obscene amounts of money that are paid to these CEOs. In most cases, the compensation for the CEO is several times (as a multiple) the compensation of the average end worker. A CEO may get compensation in the $50 - $150 million range, while their average employee is raking in a whopping total of say $36,000 a year.

Further, of course, the liberals (or should I say social progressives) can and should be upset because the highly compensated CEO has the advantage of tax lawyers, accountants, and others to help shelter his (or her) income and winds up paying only a small percentage of their income off in taxes.

Fiscally conscious conservatives should be upset in just looking at the real numbers. Instead of having the stockholders rewarded, or having the company enrichining itself by reinvesting in R&D or other worthwhile areas, they instead see the company handing out large amounts of it's own income as salary and other compensation for these over-paid CEOs.

Anyway, the original article is well worth reading and discussing. Please feel free to smack me around from either side of the argument.




The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here’s the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their companies suffer. Also: 5 who produce stellar results for a comparative pittance.

By Michael Brush

All's fair, they say, in love and war. Not much is out of bounds when it comes to executive pay, either.
Consider Michael Ovitz. Although stockholders sued, the one-time Hollywood superagent gets to keep the $140 million he was paid for 14 months of work as president at Walt Disney (DIS, news, msgs). A Delaware judge ruled in mid-August that Disney's board didn't breach its responsibilities in awarding the huge severance package.
While the Ovitz payout may have been legal, it's the type of corporate behavior that costs investors millions of dollars every year. And it's not just a few spendthrift companies throwing good dollars after bad leaders. We scoured corporate regulatory filings and found plenty of examples of overpaid underachievers in executive suites. Ultimately, we came up with a list of the five most overpaid bad chief executives, and another of the five most underpaid good execs.

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Fat pay, thin performance
Rather than focus on single-year offenders, we rounded up -- with help from Standard & Poor's -- the worst performing stocks in the S&P 1,500 over the past several years.
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The worst offenders
The upshot: Some boards award breathtakingly large pay packages to CEOs even as the executives trash their shareholders’ investments. The worst:
  • Top honors go to Gary Smith at Ciena (CIEN). His shareholders have been virtually wiped out -- losing 93% in the past four years. His compensation over that period: $41.2 million.
  • Jure Sola, the CEO and chairman at Sanmina-SCI (SANM) collected $26.4 million during the past four years while Sanmina shares fell 78%. The bulk of Sola's pay came in the form of a performance bonus of $19.9 million, paid for hitting one recent quarter's targets.
  • Sun Microsystems (SUNW) paid Scott McNealy, its CEO, chairman and founder, $13.1 million a year over the past four years, even as Sun's shareholders lost 76% of their money.
  • Shares of supermarket chain Albertson's (ABS) fell 39% over the past four years. Despite this dismal record, Albertson’s CEO and Chairman Larry Johnston collected a total of $76.2 million in that time.
  • Under CEO Peter Dolan’s watch at Bristol-Myers Squibb (BMY), shareholders have seen the stock decline by 48% over the past four years. Dolan took home $41 million.

“I feel nothing but contempt,” says Don Hodges, president of the Hodges Fund (HDPMX). “They pay themselves like they are rock stars.”



... much more at original article.... including several companies and CEOs who seem to be doing things right
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Scott McNealy IS SUN.  Dont make it right, but he OWNS that company.
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If I was a stock holder, I would really want to know why the CEO's bonus is more important than the investors' dividends. Other than that, what those in charge of running a private corperation choose to do with their payroll is up to them.

I do wonder why more investors don't make more waves over this though.
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I do wonder why more investors don't make more waves over this though.


Straight up answer - because many investors can't.

Sure they can make noise in the press (sometimes), but they typically are very, very limited in what rights they as individual shareholders (and even as blocks of shareholders in many cases) can do.

Example: Roy Disney and friends and their fight with Disney/Eisner. Even though Roy Disney and his friends control a sizable chunk of Disney stock, the board of directors and CEO still had broad powers to decide what is in the best interest of Disney (and enact the same, even if it wasn't).

In many businesses there is a relationship that even if labelled incestuous would still not be adequately descriptive between the CEO, the board of directors, the compensation commitees, auditors (used to be, not as true since Sarbanes-Oxley) and others in power or who should be providing oversight. Most of those people have been sleeping at the switch or have been sitting back collecting their own inflated pay-checks while watching the non compes mentus (brain dead/mentally incapable) CEOs ruin the companies they are supposed to be directing.

Regarding McNealy, sure, to many he IS SUN, but it doesn't mean he deserves to reap compensation that is obscene.

Look at AOL/Time-Warner under Case. He also WAS AOL, but what did it get him and his shareholders? Thankfully for Time-Warner, they chased him out of the company, and now they are righting the ship.

A company I won't mention, that I still have a token share of stock in, had the incestuous relationship I described above. It's CEO reaped huge rewards during a down period, was rewarded with options to buy stock that his own incompetence had driven to the brink of completely devalued and now, many years later -- after the loss of scores of good employees and much technical knowledge -- he's able to sell the stock at inflated prices because the company did well despite his poor leadership. Instead of getting the boot, he caused many others to lose their jobs and yet he went on smoozing with customers and finally was able to win back business that many of his own hand-picked higher level subordinates had darn near poisoned forever.

I wish that the post Enron/MCI/Sprint times had led to more individual stock holder power, and more responsibilty from the CEOs. Even today they bitch and moan that Sarbanes-Oxley is too burdensome and too costly for them. Ha! They should be thankful they were that lucky.
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A company I won't mention, that I still have a token share of stock in, had the incestuous relationship I described above. It's CEO reaped huge rewards during a down period, was rewarded with options to buy stock that his own incompetence had driven to the brink of completely devalued and now, many years later -- after the loss of scores of good employees and much technical knowledge -- he's able to sell the stock at inflated prices because the company did well despite his poor leadership. Instead of getting the boot, he caused many others to lose their jobs and yet he went on smoozing with customers and finally was able to win back business that many of his own hand-picked higher level subordinates had darn near poisoned forever.


LOL, sounds like the company I work for.... Sad how generic these situations are.
Reply #5 Top
Terp, I know that stockholders can't affect very much change... my question is more to the point of, why do people invest money if the stock in these companies is so bad?
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Terp, I know that stockholders can't affect very much change... my question is more to the point of, why do people invest money if the stock in these companies is so bad?


I could list a host of reasons:

mandatory investment in company 401(k)'s.

mandatory investment in ESOP plans.

institutional investment

mutual fund type investments run by large funds

and finally.... individual investments.

Notice that individual investments typically is way down the list for shareholder percentages. Institutions, large funds, and others typically make up the bulk of the shareholders, and many of them are in the same sorts of incestuous relationships with the companies they hold stocks in. Conflict of interest seems to never have crossed the minds of the people at the top of these outfits.
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Terp, I know that stockholders can't affect very much change... my question is more to the point of, why do people invest money if the stock in these companies is so bad?

The short answer is they think they can make a buck.  The reason that the price plummets is that the original investors are bailing, and others think they see a bargain.  So the latter buy it, but at a lower price - hence the stock slide.

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Although the article "The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs" is an exerpt from MSN Money, I am surprized that former Symbol CEO Tomo Razmilovic did not make just this list, but did not top it !!! Symbol is a technology products company based in Long Island New York mainly known for their innovating scanning and inventory products. Durring his tenure, the company lost over $200 million using the same CEO bait-and-switch tactics that Enron Executives did by over inflating revinues and manipulating the inventory and shipping of their products. As their stocks went down, only known to the main players of Symbol, investors were riding the ship into a false tropical island.

After Raz stepped down as CEO a few years later, he moved to the UK, securing a home in Sweden. When he was informed about his co-stituance arrest, and wanted back in the US by the SEC in 2004 on multiple charges for fraud and conspiracy, his response was that he would return back to the US and co-operate in full after his vacation was over. Since then, he had a change of plans and has fled to Sweden, in an attempt to escape the laws that haunts him here in the USA.

It is no doubt that he is an Enron mastermind of the east cost of the USA. Symbol Technology, although still in business, is forced to pay the SEC over $30 million in penalties and fines, while Raz is living life humbly in Sweden.

Do we hear any mention of this on the news ? Does George Bush see any need to bring Tamo to justice ? Has George Bush instituted any laws preventing or prohibiting the types of business practices of laundering numbers to investors ? Has anyone in our government done anything to bring Tomo Razmilovic to justice ? Despite our government knowing exactly the where-abouts of Tomo Razmilovic, by the thanks of investigative reporting by Johnathan Dienst and his investigation team of NBC News, the answer to all these questions are an unfortunate no. If you are asing yourself why does not George Bush put anything into law about these business practices, its because he himself was invloved in several businesses in the late 80s and early 90s, some holding positions equal to, or of similar positions that Tomo Razmilovic held at Symbol. Unfortunately, like Symbol Technology, none of theses busnisess ever became successful. Many of them, became bankrupt and was forced out of business. It is no wonder why this contry and its economy are suffering the same fate as those companies did.

As a liberal, I am outraged by this practice on how our government, the news, the press, and big business all mix together as one, stifling information that really matters, which affects everyones lives. I've enjoyed reading everyones input regarding this subject.