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THE NEW SOLDIER

Is This The Kind Of Stuff We Want To Associate Our President With?

February 23, 2004 8:35:37 AM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
This book entitled, "The New Soldier" was written by Senator John Kerry. It is currently out of print. I found it selling on ebay for $200.00 and up.
Note the upside down American flag on the cover of John Kerry's publication.
I ask you, is this the kind of stuff that we want to associate our president with? What kind of loyal American would have a book published with the United States flag upside down on it's cover?
I for one do not want this kind of person in office as head of my country.
I haven't read the book myself and I have heard it often said, don't judge a book by its cover but this is one book I would not care to read and one man that will definately not be getting my vote for president. I don't care what party he affiliates himself with. Such a person as this does not deserve to be Commander In Chief.

"THE NEW SOLDIER" by JOHN KERRY

DON'T BE DECEIVED AMERICA,
WE CAN DO BETTER!
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Reply #1 February 23, 2004 9:44:02 AM
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May I ask you a question? Were you around during the Vietnam War?
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Reply #2 February 23, 2004 9:47:04 AM
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Uhh, come on buddy, you haven't even read it. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge Kerry fan, but the fact that you are literrally reading a book by its cover doesn't not make me doubt him more. Such a person that would make such a uniformed criticism does not deserve to wine about it.
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Reply #3 February 23, 2004 11:56:30 AM
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One of my buddies is a marine, and it's to my understading that when a soldier displays an upside-down flag, he's making a statement about the fatalities of battle, both ally and foe. There's nothing anti-patriotic about it, just like there's nothing unholy about an upside down cross, which is the way St. Peter was crucified...
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Reply #4 February 23, 2004 12:08:52 PM
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I ask you, is this the kind of stuff that we want to associate our president with? What kind of loyal American would have a book published with the United States flag upside down on it's cover?


An upside down flag is, legally speaking, an indication of distress. There's nothing unamerican about it. It's being used as a figurative demonstration of the distress that Kerry, and millions of other americans, felt about being involved in the Vietnam war. Kerry, actually being a veteran, knew those horrors far better than those who accuse him now of being "unamerican"

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Reply #5 February 23, 2004 3:08:37 PM
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Reply #6 February 23, 2004 3:13:42 PM
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Kerry made a mockery of our flag and the heros who raised it over Iwo Jima
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Reply #7 February 23, 2004 3:15:10 PM
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Do I really have to make the same comments I've made about these pictures before?

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Reply #8 February 23, 2004 10:35:32 PM
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Yes wisefawn, I was in high school during the Viet Nam war. I was also against the war but that is no reason to disrespect our flag that many others have shed their blood and died for.
Call it what you may. I see it as plain ole disrespect.
You are doing nothing more than the AFL-CIO who is supporting John Kerry after voting for NAFTA. You are supporting someone who is against everything that you stand for.
If Kerry is so anti-war then why did he vote to send troops to Iraq? Only later to vote down support funds for the ones he sent there. GCJ
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Reply #9 February 23, 2004 11:13:22 PM
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As I've said before, there is nothing illegal, immoral, or unamerican about holding a flag upside down. The law states that an american flag held or flown upside down indicate distress. As I've said, this is a symbol of the distress that Kerry and other veterans felt about the Vietnam War.

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Reply #10 February 24, 2004 1:27:04 AM
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I'm sure you are right jeblackstar because when I look at the upside down American flag, I become very distressed.
Soldiers in Iraq say they are happy to be there. They're not writting anti war books. GCJ
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Reply #11 February 24, 2004 2:23:15 AM
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I'm sure you are right jeblackstar because when I look at the upside down American flag, I become very distressed.
Soldiers in Iraq say they are happy to be there.


Alas, some people miss the point, it is to indicate that the person flying the flag upside down is distressed. I would be very surprised if every soldier in Iraq was happy to be there, but even if they were, you have to admit there are a good number of differences between Vietnam and Iraq.

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Reply #12 February 24, 2004 8:31:57 AM
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GemCityJoe - The reason I asked you that is because I would guess from the title and the fact that it was written with Vietnam Vets, is that it is making a statement. It was a much different time then, as you know. I have formed no opinion about Kerry yet, and I have not read the book, so I will not judge the book. And if the point is that the upside down flag is a symbol of distress, that makes even more sense. I fly the Seal of the Cherokee Nation and it doesn't mean I am anti America.
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Reply #13 February 24, 2004 11:06:34 PM
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I'm kinda like the Aussie flag myself. Now do you fly your Cherokee Nation seal upside down or right side up? GCJ
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Reply #14 February 24, 2004 11:49:31 PM
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The Law of the United States of America permits the flag to be flown upside down. How much more do you need GCJ?
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Reply #15 February 25, 2004 2:41:56 AM
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Just because it is a law does not mean that I have to smile and go on my merry way. To me it is offensive and disrespectful. Its also not against the law to burn the flag in protest but I don't approve of that either. The point is, if John Kerry wanted to make an anti-war statement, there are other ways he could have done so. The book itself makes his sentiments known. His dealings with Jane Fonda do the same.
Face it, if John Kerry knew back then the position he would find himself in today, he would have done things alot differently. We'll just have to wait and see just how much of his past will come back to haunt him.
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Reply #16 February 25, 2004 3:44:35 AM
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Perhaps you misunderstand, unlike burning the flag, the US navy, which publishes a book on Flag ettiquette specifically lists waving the flag upside down as a symbol of distress. Should we hold up the US navy book and say that it is morally repugnant because it recommends waving the flag upside down?
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Reply #17 February 25, 2004 4:19:15 AM
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Reply #18 February 25, 2004 7:25:23 AM
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Hurry drink , drink, they will be here with flamethrowers.
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Reply #19 February 27, 2004 1:09:43 AM
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Sorry ar-15, I don't get this but I do like grape kool-aid... GCJ
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Reply #20 February 27, 2004 1:43:12 AM
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Jonesville, mass suicide, and cults.

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Reply #21 March 8, 2004 11:13:27 PM
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Kool-aid's good...is that a Jacob's Ladder-type thing?


I was wondering, has anyone read this book? It's impractical to condemn on initial appearances.
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Reply #22 March 8, 2004 11:14:04 PM
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Kool-aid's good...is that a Jacob's Ladder-type thing?


I was wondering, has anyone read this book? It's impractical to condemn on initial appearances.
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Reply #23 March 8, 2004 11:34:50 PM
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Someone put this book online or on a CD so we stop this nonsense of $300 for a book by John Kerry.

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Reply #24 March 9, 2004 9:27:04 PM
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Hmmm.... which one is John Kerry on the cover???

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Reply #25 March 10, 2004 12:37:17 PM
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I think Kerry helped very much to Soviets during Vietnam war. His contributions, gave good reason to Soviets build
strong "Red" coalition N.Korea,Vietnam,Laos and others. There is old Russian saying " Support your army,otherwise
you will support army of your enemy". Kerry's voting record shows that he reather support Germany's army,France's army.
Do not let Kerry help Osama just like it happen years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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