DAY OF RECKONING IN IRAQ IS COMING SOON !

One of the biggest issues is that they are allowing Islam to be the state religion, wherein it would dictate the laws of the land. This alone is a major failure of the dubya regime. It means that he has taken down a secular government, albeit Saddam's dictatorship, and replaced it with yet one more Islamic extremist mess. In fact, it gives the Iranians the power in the mideast now. What a freakin' mess these idiots have created.

Poll numbers are dropping like stones now for the dubya regime. It's about time. Only a few diehards continue to support the bastard and his oil-sucking entourage.

The time of reckoning is coming, and it ain't gonna be pretty. And, that's really sad.

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Yes, If the form of government is anything like Iran, Bush will have created another MONSTER!!!!!

Hey, if they want to ELECT a government like that, it's their call... Bush isn't forcing or allowing anything really. They've been left to their own devices to build a government suitable to them.

This one isn't Bush's fault, no matter how much you try to frame it that way.

(Oh, and I bet the National Debt will be used as an argument in this thread within 10 posts)

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Some believe it is better when more people die for other people's lies. Saving hundreds of thousands of lives just isn't worth it, I suppose. And there is just no way that any state based on religion could possibly be different from Iran.

IF Iraq selects a government that is anything like Iran, it is because of the Bush policy. If that happens, we have exchanged one evil for another and lost almost 1,900 American Lives, 25, 000 injured and $300 billion to create a NEW EVIL. It is Bush that is saying Iran is a MAJOR problem for the US and the area. How turning Iraq into another Iran can be spun intio a GOOD change or not because of Bush is beyond belief. Even the most supportive Bushie will be forced to admit that Saint George screwed UP if we wind up with a second Iran in Iraq!

This is pathetic, the Iraqis haven't even finished their constitution yet and your declaring "another Iran" and that Bush and Blair have failed.

Of course Islam will play a part in their society, just as Christianity plays a role in Western societies, the problem will be if we get a highly politicized version of Islam, which I think will only happen if the US and UK withdraw too soon and give ground to the child-murdering insurgents.

May I say that Germany is a Christian country. Religion is even taught in state schools.

"Religion is even taught in state schools."

Britain has over 7000 Christian faith schools, are they all producing Christian crusaders after Muslim blood?

READ "IF IRAQ SELECTS A GOVERNMENT LIKE IRAN" I have not said they have failed. We will know soon! What does the type of Government in Germany or England or the fact that the Christian faith is tought in their schools have to do with the possibility of creating a second Iran?

What we are saying is that we needn't be afraid of Islam being a part of Iraq, what we should be wary of is the insurgents largely hailed as matyrs by the anti-war crowd taking over and creating a violent state.

IF Iraq selects a government that is anything like Iran, it is because of the Bush policy.

And "what" does the first part have to do with the second? I mean REALLY. What does them choosing a particular kind government have ANYTHING to do with Bush? "I can hardly wait for this answer".

My point is that the creation of a new governmnet is BECAUSE Bush removed Saddam. If what is created is like Iran, we gained NOTHING and have lost lives, injuries and hundreds of billions, FOR WHAT?. If Bush had not attacked Iraq, Saddam would most likely be in power . Thus, IF we have managed to trade an Evil Dictator for a government like Iran, HOW HAVE WE MADE THE US SAFER? Bush is telling us how dangerous Iran is to our security!

What does them choosing a particular kind government have ANYTHING to do with Bush? "

You're kidding, right?

My point is that the creation of a new governmnet is BECAUSE Bush removed Saddam. If what is created is like Iran, we gained NOTHING and have lost lives, injuries and hundreds of billions, FOR WHAT?. If Bush had not attacked Iraq, Saddam would most likely be in power . Thus, IF we have managed to trade an Evil Dictator for a government like Iran, HOW HAVE WE MADE THE US SAFER? Bush is telling us how dangerous Iran is to our security!

Like dancing around the point huh? You "still" have not addressed the question. What does either "any" type of government choosing have to do with Bush and his policies? What are his policies twisting their arm to "make" them choose one way or the other?

What does them choosing a particular kind government have ANYTHING to do with Bush? " You're kidding, right?

dabe....you can go get lost now.

I guess the Bushies will tell us the Easter Bunny is at fault. There would not have been a "CHOOSING" without Bush invading Iraq!

If Bush took out a gun and killed an unarmed person on Live National TV, you Bushies would blame the unarmed person for being there and tell us Bush had NOTHING to do with it!

Frankly Bush is the only thing America has going for it at the moment.

The Iraqi constitution does say that the Bill of Rights portion supersedes Islamic law. The Bill of Rights has not even been written at this time. Much like our own Bill of Rights, it will be the true guide of what type of state will be produced.

Remember, that woman's right to vote appears in our Bill of Rights nearly 120 years after it was written.

Many of the same people complain that the reason why we have this terrorist problem is because of our attempts to force western values onto the Middle East, are the same ones moaning about the Iraqi Constitution not being western enough.

IMO the major quality that needs to be in the constitution is that it is a real Democracy which allows the people to decide their leaders (even if they chose them to be Clerics) and the abilities for that constitution to be changed by popular vote.

If Bush is the only thing America has going for it, WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE. Show me the major issues Bush has solved or made better since Jan 2001?

Try:

The budget deficit
Trade deficit
Border control
Jobs leaving America
Health Care
Energy
policical discord in America
Our standing with other people in the world
Solutions for Social Security, Medicare and Medicade funding issues
Our Security and the mess in Iraq
Capture of the people responsible for 9/11
Spread of Nuclear Weapon
The Environment
Higher graduation rates (No child left behind)

While many complain about Iran and its Islamic laws, you must note that it is by far closer to a Democracy then most of the dictatorship in the area.

The Iranian Constitution has two good parts.

All males can vote at elections that are run fairly. Unfortunately only clerics are allowed to run for some offices. But ANY cleric that is Radical or liberal may run with no restrictions.

The second part is that in the Iranian constitution allows that it can be changed by popular vote. That means if the Iranian people want it, they can change the Cleric requirement and also the Islamic law requirment (i.e. ending the theocracy).

While the US loves to moan about our differences with the country and our rocky past with them, they are technically much closer to a democracy then most of the Middle Eastern countries.

Damnit! I should have guessed Natl Debt would appear within 20 posts, not 10... Curses!

Hey, remember that the government has been VOTED in by THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ. Yes, that's right... they had a democratic election. This isn't a set of laws being drafted by some disconnected group that isn't accountable. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps these people WANT a government steeped heavily in Islam? These people are Islamic afterall... If that's what they genuinely want, and that's what they vote for, then we have suceeded completely.

Yes, I said that... I said if the people elect to adopt an Islamic government, then we have succeded in bringing freedom and democracy to Iraq. Remember, democracy is the freedom for the people to CHOOSE how they wish to be governed. This doesn't mean they have to put in a secular govt that meshes with YOUR views for it to be right. That's the wonder of a democracy, the people get to pick their representatives. It's a majority rules system. The system isn't broken just because you disagree with that majority.

Ok... I'll also fire back on your list.

What has ANY President really done to solve the issues of..

The budget deficit Trade deficit Border control Jobs leaving America Health Care Energy

??? These have been issues for DECADES now. They're all chronic problems that no one president has done a ton to fix or hurt.

policical discord in America

Only real discord is from those who lost the election. There is no real rift in this country as a result of Bush. It's largely imagined by those on the extreme sides of the spectrum.

Our standing with other people in the world

We've never been popular abroad. Americans are arrogant and annoying travelers, and our government has always had a certain cowboy attitude. We are hated for giving aid to regions as we're accused of attempting to spread imperialism. Then we're hated for not giving enough aid and are accused of hoarding wealth and food from those who need it more. We've always been in a "Damned if we do, damned if we don't" role just by being the last superpower.

Solutions for Social Security, Medicare and Medicade funding issues

This is another ongoing problem. And while current solutions may not be optimal, I have yet to hear ONE alternative suggestion from the Democrats. Give me an ALTERNATIVE and I'll likely support it, but just saying the Bush plans are bad doesn't cut it. Stop being brainless complainers and come up with a solution to oppose the Bush plans.

Our Security and the mess in Iraq

Are we less secure today than we were 4 years ago? The ONLY change I've seen is that airports are more annoying to go through now. I feel no more or less secure than I did before 9/11. And the mess in Iraq is a moot point now really. We're there, that can't be changed so now we have to finish what we started. It's called follow-through and doing what you committed to doing. It would be wrong and disasterous to run out right now.

Capture of the people responsible for 9/11

We've been killing and capturing Al Quida people left and right. We've put many on trial. We're doing pretty well on this front.

Spread of Nuclear Weapon

Long running problem. I'd blame Russia more for this as it's a lot of THEIR shit that's being spread around. This isn't new to Bush.

The Environment

Another long running problem. What has he actually done to negatively impact the environment? What has he actually done?

Higher graduation rates (No child left behind)

Parents and local governments hold almost 100% responsibility for education problems in this country. The federal government actually has a pretty small amount of influence or impact here.

"What does the type of Government in Germany or England or the fact that the Christian faith is tought in their schools have to do with the possibility of creating a second Iran?"

It points out that not every government based on a religion creates a fundamentalist state.

Jordan's government is based on Islam. In fact the Jordanian king (as was Iraq's king) is a direct descendant of Mohammed. But Jordan cannot, I think, be considered very fundamentalist, not as a state.

There was NO annual Budget Deficit when Bush took office. We had a balanced budget in 2000.
We did not have the mess in Iraq when Bush took over. Saddam was NO threat to the US even if he did have WMD!

You indicate the other problems we have had for decades. During the past five years they have ALL gotten worse i.e. Trade Deficit, loss of Americabn Jobs, border security, our standing in the world, energy cost etc. Thus your answer is that Bush HAS NOT helped OR begun to solver ANY of the major issues that face our nation ( I agree) and has managed to add some new ones that did not exist when he took over ( Annual Budget Deficit and Iraq).

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