Well, to be honest, the car I would most like to have as a classic/collectors item is one that belonged to my grandfather... a (I believe it was the correct year) 1960 Studebaker.

My family had one as our family car for the first several years of my life. It was a great car (by my memory) and my Grandfather had one that he had restored before he passed away. I believe that car is now sitting in a garage at my Grandmothers home, not having been started in some number of years. I'm not sure of it's condition at this point, but I know I'm saddened at the thought that it's not been proudly displayed in some time.

The other car of my youth that I really enjoyed was a 1965 Dodge Dart. Slant 6. Built tough. You couldn't kill the engine in the thing, but unfortunately by the early 80's the rust had gotten to the frame pretty badly and the spots where the brake lines were supposed to be had literally rusted away. By my estimate, that car probably had near 300k miles on it. I know I ran it all over creation going to and from school, providing rides for co-workers, commuting at least 50 miles each way per day over a couple of years.

Anyway, I do miss those old cars, and do smile a nice smile when I see the classic cars out on the weekends at the local classic car get-togethers.

(does a winking smiley count as a word?)

Tex! Welcome back, seriously, glad to see you back, even if I can't let you have the last word (though that might be an honor you deserve).

(does a winking smiley count as a word?)

Hey ya Tex! Glad to see your back!

Now to push Drmiler back down and reclaim the spot as king of the hill and holder of the last word!

I sell propane and last word accessories.....dang it bobby!!

Nuthin' like the taste of a good ole grilled burger.

If you want an extra special one, get Al Bundy to cook it up on labor day.

Fee Fi Foe Fum, I've got the last word, drink some rum!!!

Neener, neener. No you didn't

Rum, yummmmm! Captain Morgans and 7-Up, great stuff!

37 by little_whip Sunday, August 14, 2005

They claim that those ionizing air purifiers remove pet dander (the most common cause of pet allergies) from the air...I wonder if they really work?

colleen and I have 3 of them, and yes they work well when the house is closed, open the windows and doors and they are useless. btw check yer email.

Try electrostatic air filters too. The better ones are more expensive, and have to be cleaned regularly, but your typical filter catches maybe 8 percent of the crap coming through it, whereas these use static electricity to catch 98 to 99 percent of dander, mold, etc ad nauseum.

My family's in air conditioning, and my sister had bad allergies/asthma, and I know from experience that they work wonders with asthmatics and people with allergies.

Ok, I think I've figured how to really end this thread.

Some are gonna love this, others will hate it, but it seems fair to me.

This thread officially ends when anyone posts a 100% winning week of NFL game winners in advance of the games.

No cheating and editing after the fact. Pick the weekend's games, and get them all correct. You only have to pick the winners of the games, no worries about point spreads. First one to pick a week completely correctly wins the, uhhh, sorry, no prizes, but you can claim you completed the feat.

I would point out that odds of hitting 100% of all games in a weekend are not very high. Any wrong pick and you're weak is shot and you go back to picking another week. It's pretty rare that anyone even comes close.

Anyway, without further ado, here's the games for the coming weekend (9/18-9/19/05).

1:00 p.m. ET New England Patriots @ Carolina Panthers
1:00 p.m. ET Detroit Lions @ Chicago Bears
1:00 p.m. ET Minnesota Vikings @ Cincinnati Bengals
1:00 p.m. ET Pittsburgh Steelers @ Houston Texans
1:00 p.m. ET Jacksonville Jaguars @ Indianapolis Colts
1:00 p.m. ET San Francisco 49ers @ Philadelphia Eagles
1:00 p.m. ET Buffalo Bills @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1:00 p.m. ET Baltimore Ravens @ Tennessee Titans
4:05 p.m. ET St. Louis Rams @ Arizona Cardinals
4:05 p.m. ET Atlanta Falcons @ Seattle Seahawks
4:15 p.m. ET San Diego Chargers @ Denver Broncos
4:15 p.m. ET Cleveland Browns @ Green Bay Packers
4:15 p.m. ET Miami Dolphins @ New York Jets
8:30 p.m. ET Kansas City Chiefs @ Oakland Raiders
Mon Sep 19, 2005
7:30 p.m. ET New York Giants @ New Orleans Saints
9:00 p.m. ET Washington Redskins @ Dallas Cowboys


Pick the winners in advance (and no cheating!) My picks coming up in next post

1:00 p.m. ET New England Patriots @ Carolina Panthers 1:00 p.m. ET Detroit Lions @ Chicago Bears 1:00 p.m. ET Minnesota Vikings @ Cincinnati Bengals 1:00 p.m. ET Pittsburgh Steelers @ Houston Texans 1:00 p.m. ET Jacksonville Jaguars @ Indianapolis Colts 1:00 p.m. ET San Francisco 49ers @ Philadelphia Eagles 1:00 p.m. ET Buffalo Bills @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1:00 p.m. ET Baltimore Ravens @ Tennessee Titans 4:05 p.m. ET St. Louis Rams @ Arizona Cardinals 4:05 p.m. ET Atlanta Falcons @ Seattle Seahawks 4:15 p.m. ET San Diego Chargers @ Denver Broncos 4:15 p.m. ET Cleveland Browns @ Green Bay Packers 4:15 p.m. ET Miami Dolphins @ New York Jets 8:30 p.m. ET Kansas City Chiefs @ Oakland Raiders Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:30 p.m. ET New York Giants @ New Orleans Saints (played in Meadowlands) 9:00 p.m. ET Washington Redskins @ Dallas Cowboys

My picks in Bold face

At random (ok, well, my husband picked 'em...but he's not a real big football fan):

1:00 p.m. ET New England Patriots @ Carolina Panthers
1:00 p.m. ET Detroit Lions @ Chicago Bears
1:00 p.m. ET Minnesota Vikings @ Cincinnati Bengals
1:00 p.m. ET Pittsburgh Steelers @ Houston Texans
1:00 p.m. ET Jacksonville Jaguars @ Indianapolis Colts
1:00 p.m. ET San Francisco 49ers @ Philadelphia Eagles
1:00 p.m. ET Buffalo Bills @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1:00 p.m. ET Baltimore Ravens @ Tennessee Titans
4:05 p.m. ET St. Louis Rams @ Arizona Cardinals
4:05 p.m. ET Atlanta Falcons @ Seattle Seahawks
4:15 p.m. ET San Diego Chargers @ Denver Broncos
4:15 p.m. ET Cleveland Browns @ Green Bay Packers
4:15 p.m. ET Miami Dolphins @ New York Jets
8:30 p.m. ET Kansas City Chiefs @ Oakland Raiders
Mon Sep 19, 2005
7:30 p.m. ET New York Giants @ New Orleans Saints
9:00 p.m. ET Washington Redskins @ Dallas Cowboys

PS - When there's a choice, we ALWAYS pick Texans!

Mopar rocks. I had a 76 Duster, then a 67 Belvedere. (as well as other assorted later models)...

Mopar rocks. I had a 76 Duster

Some of my relatives had the old Duster. It was a rock solid car also.

A co-worker back in the 80's (and into the 90's) had one also. She kept patching it up to keep it going, fixing little things along the way. It didn't look the greatest (with aged paint and a few dents), but it got her where she was going.

That series now makes great "classic" cars/hotrods.

When there's a choice, we ALWAYS pick Texans!

Good luck on the picks Tex. I'd love to pick the Texans on a regular basis, but they still have to prove themselves in my book.

I believe (not looking back right now) I picked Dallas, but I hated to do so.

I may have been born in Texas, but I was raised in the D.C. metro area, and my team is the Redskins. I'd have picked them this week, but the coach went off the deep end and decided to prove he's a total geezer by putting a washed up, has-been QB in as the starter. Brunell used to be a good QB, but it was a long time ago. Now he couldn't win a game if his life depended on it.

Ummm.....1:00 p.m Cowboys
2:00 Dallas Stars
3:00 Astros
4:00 Dallas Dragoons (look this one up, you're in for a surprise)
5:00 Copperas Cove "Dawgs"
6:00 South Garland Colonels
7:00 Ouachita Tigers
Monday called on account of ice age, or anyone playing against the Redskins or Packers.

They were classic when I had them ... 99-02...

First car was an 84 Dodge Charger... true, it was a front wheel drive without a lot of power - but it was one fun car to drive. It made up for lack of power by being very light and nimble.

Ugh, the 80's series Chargers were (to me at least) not great cars at all. General ugly in fact. I loved the old muscle cars, but the 80's series stuff (hell, for that matter most of the 80's series Chrysler products) were generally crap.

Ugh, the 80's series Chargers were (to me at least) not great cars at all. General ugly in fact. I loved the old muscle cars, but the 80's series stuff (hell, for that matter most of the 80's series Chrysler products) were generally crap.

Well, you've got to compare apples to apples. There weren't very many good cars in the early-mid 80s in that class. If you compare the Charger to its likely competition - the Chevette, etc... It suddenly looks a helluva lot better.

I also never said that it didn't need more power - though in Shelby Turbo trim it put out better than decent horses for its class. Chrysler also needed to seriously address head gasket issues on it.

Did you own one? If not, then you don't know. What I said remains true - they were light and nimble. They were not musclecars like the previous (and current) Chargers, so perhaps Charger *was* the wrong name.

My 84 Charger (and the 85 which I owned after it) with the plain carbureted 2.2 litre, and a 3-speed automatic, would reach 120mph with the simple "mods" I'd done... basically a Mopar Performance Computer (intended for dirt-track use, heh), removed smog pump, low restriction exhaust. I was hitting about 15 seconds in the quarter mile, which is not impressive today, but for an 80s econobox was pretty quick.

They were, in a sense, throwaway cars, but I both of them were still running fine when I sold them at around 140,000 miles.

So, I would hardly call them crap.

To me, the only real muscle cars of the 80's were the Pontiac Gran Prix, Chevy Monte Carlo types and they weren't really meant to be muscle cars...

I didn't personally own one of the 80's Chargers, but had friends and relatives that did. They just weren't that sturdy and never were comfortable. It was just Chrysler using the name of one of their classic's on a crap car hoping it would inspire some people to buy one thinking of the original...

Much the same as Chevy putting out the Novas of the mid to late 80's. Those were nothing like the original Nova. They were crappy little knockoffs of the "Asian invasion" cars of the late 70's and early 80's that had seen their popularity rise because of fuel mileage issues during the gas crisis in the late 70's.

All of the domestic manufacturers made (generalizing) crappy cars in the 80's. Most of those vehicles were on and off the roads very quickly, with people trading them in or selling them off fairly quickly in favor of newer body styles, bigger vehicles, and eventually having most people upgrading to the SUVs that rule the roads today.

Anyway, personal opinion is that few -- if any -- of the 80's vehicles will ever show up as classics. Even most of the stuff in the 90's is gonna be looked at as just any old car. The classics (for now, at least in my opinion) are going to continue to be the 60's and 70's cars with a few perennial favorites (the Corvettes as an example) in the mix.

My 84 Charger (and the 85 which I owned after it) with the plain carbureted 2.2 litre, and a 3-speed automatic, would reach 120mph with the simple "mods" I'd done

snicker......my 83 Tercel hatchback would do that on a flat surface if the wind was right. 2.2 whole liters? Whoa.

The classics (for now, at least in my opinion) are going to continue to be the 60's and 70's cars with a few perennial favorites (the Corvettes as an example) in the mix.

Like a 73 Mustang or a 67 MGB? MORE POWER!!!!! which you will need, 'cause the 71 to 73s were damned heavy.

Much the same as Chevy putting out the Novas of the mid to late 80's. Those were nothing like the original Nova

Hideous car. I liked the old ones, they had good bones, and you could do anything with them. Did you ever see a Mustang II? Blech......the only good thing on them was the front suspension, which is still being reproduced and used on hot rods.

Did you ever see a Mustang II? Blech......the only good thing on them was the front suspension, which is still being reproduced and used on hot rods.

I actually had the mid-80's Mustang... just a cheesy LX model. No rear spoiler. Hatchback style. Not a great looking car. Painted (factory job) some weird green color that looked more like asphalt black/grey unless the light hit it just right (when you could actually detect some sense of green tint to the color).

The whole 80's series of Mustangs (including the Mustang IIs) just never looked right. I can look at them and see the "evolution" from the original Mustangs, but they just don't seem right and don't really respect the original.

I really like the new Mustangs, as those really do harken back to the original fat/fastback Mustangs. Great look at least. I still (I think I said it above already, but I know I've said it here at JoeUser previously) don't much care for the GT style new Mustangs. The extra set of head lamps is not in the right place. Too close to the center of the car. Move them back out by the primary head lamps and things would be perfect.


Looking at the new Chargers, I'm warming up a bit to them. I really liked the late 90's to 2004 series Intreprids. They were nice looking cars. I wanted one of them when I actually bought the used Ford Explorer I'm now driving. Had it not been for the smoker inspired damage to the car that I looked at, I would have bought the Intreprid and been happy (I think).

Somewhere down the line I might look at the new Chargers and think of them as a classic, but I think that's a way off now.