BUSH HAS ABANDONED MILITARY VICTORY IN IRAQ

Abandon all hope all ye who enter this thread or the C.O.L.'s blog site....

The statements made in the preceding article are guaranteed to raise your blood pressure, contain many factual inaccuracies, and generally be a pile of dung.

But let that not stop people from wasting time feeding the JU troll.

"We are now attempting to withdrawal just as soon as we have trained enough Iraq security and military forces."--ColG

Which is exactly what you and you and your fellow Bush-bashers have been calling for for two years and more. Make up your mind, CG, is this what you want or not?

"Bush said it was to enforce the UN Resolutions however the UN NEVER made the United States or England the enforcement agent for UN resolutions."---ColG

And yet, who ALWAYS, all through the 90s and into the new century, ended up being the ones to hold Saddam accountable and put him back in his place? The US and Britain. If you place your faith in the UN, get ready to be disappointed, CG. They made money off him...and lots of it.

"Why not Syria, North Korea, Iran, China or host of other countries were the people do not have a choice. Why not our so-called ally Saudi Arabia."--CG

Look; since we put Saddam in power in the first place, and
supported him with money and supplies and weaponry, he was our responsibility. We did the right thing in taking him out, whether or not the right reasons were given. Where do you get this stuff, CG?

And, while I'm at it, using exclamation points doesn't do much to help your argument. it makes you look like a fanatic.

The reason Bush gave to go to WAR is NOT the reason he now states. This was a BIG error and there are NO untrue statements in this Blog. Iraq is a disaster and after we turn this over to the Iraqi people, the possibility of a civil war exists. If that happens, we will take the blame for that as well!

The war was faught on patently false grounds. The use of the Shock and Awe tactics of the Bushmen made the war avirutual war against the civillian popualtion. In fact Bush and Blair should be tried as war criminals.

How many times are you going to post the same bs?

First, the rationale for the war was untrue. Bush supporters will say everyone thought there was WMD and therefore he did not lie as to his reason for attacking Iraq

Here is your first lie col. Bush did not lie col, and everybody here has asked for definitive proof of lies or intentional misleading, and not one has come with proof. The committies which investigated have determined there was no intentional misleading or any wrongdoing. Just understand that fact col.

Then Bush said it was to enforce the UN Resolutions however the UN NEVER made the United States or England the enforcement agent for UN resolutions

Then who is col. France? Iraq violated the cease-fire agreement, and defied many U.N. resolutions. Iraq was to be held accountable and only the U.S. and it's strongest allies were going to do it.

Another rational Bush gave to remove Saddam was to rid the world of an evil dictator. There are many more evil dictators that exist in this world and Saddam Hussein was not the worst of the lot. If you have any doubt about that, look at what is happening to millions of people in Africa. If we were to provide this choice of the type of government that Bush NOW claims is the reason for the war, why not Cuba 90 miles from Florida? Why not Syria, North Korea, Iran, China or a host of other countries where the people do not have a choice. Why not our so-called ally, Saudi Arabia.

Because you can't take on every person in the world at once col. Afghanistan was the start, Iraq was next, and we will continue until terrorists and their supporter (yes, Iraq was a supporter of terrorism) are gone.

The removal of Saddam Hussein was a discussion item at the VERY FIRST Cabinet meeting.

As usual col you try to make an issue out of everything. President Clinton signed an executive order stating Iraq must have regime change. I can only imagine Iraq was discussed at several cabinet meetings during the Clinton administration. Where are your posts about that col? Iraq has been a problem for years col, stop acting like it's some conspiracy.

The Bush LIE has cost America over 1,800 lives, more then 25,000 injured and over $300 billion dollars! It has created thousands if not millions of NEW enemies all over the world!

There was no lie col. Either prove it or shut up.

The use of the Shock and Awe tactics of the Bushmen made the war avirutual war against the civillian popualtion. In fact Bush and Blair should be tried as war criminals.

And yet, civilian targets, beyond communications centers and utilities such electricity and the like, were as scrupulously avoided as possible. If it were as bad as you hysterically anti-Bush people make it out to be, Iraq should be nothing but a gigantic smoking crater.

The reason Bush gave to go to WAR is NOT the reason he now states. This was a BIG error and there are NO untrue statements in this Blog. Iraq is a disaster and after we turn this over to the Iraqi people, the possibility of a civil war exists. If that happens, we will take the blame for that as well!

I've said this before; what Bush did with his war is, to me anyway, virtually the same thing Lincoln did during the Civil War with the Emancipation Proclamation. He changed the objective in order to give the soldiers something more noble to fight for.
There were no WMDs...okay. The intelligence (which, as has been noted before time and time again, was believed wholeheartedly for years by the now--conveniently--anti-war democrats) was wrong. Poop happens. We got into the war because of a mistake, but now we're stuck with it; we need a reason to justify our presence. We'll take out Saddam and bring democracy and a better standard of living to the people of Iraq, if their fanatic fellow Moslems will let us. But they won't, because they don't want a free, westernized culture to take root in the middle east; they'd rather keep the backward, oppressive way of existence they have. I guess a better way to say is that they'd rather have the Iraqis living under a brutal and homicidal tyrant that to let them have freedom and self-determination. And these are the people you seem to support, guys. Way to go.

There was no lie col. Either prove it or shut up.

--Island dog

Couldn't have said it better myself.

By your standards col, President Clinton should have been impeached for bombing Iraq. How about Kosovo?

This was a BIG error and there are NO untrue statements in this Blog.

Ok, then let me add another fact here.

Fact: you are doing nothing but trolling with your constant bashing. You have no proof of any of your facts, and you continue to do nothing but bash, bash, bash in an effort to get attention you seem to be starved for.

I pray your batteries run out again soon, so that perhaps the rest of us can be spared more of your tirades into your dictation machine.

And for the record, the following is a bald faced lie, or at a minimum a serious mistatement of facts:

The strategy at the White House has changed with respect to the Iraq War. We are now attempting to withdrawal just as soon as we have trained enough Iraq security and military forces. Bush wants to make the withdrawal appear legitimate and when that magic number has been achieved, you will see the troops begin to come home.

The strategy hasn't changed at all. You wish it had, and you troll as if it had, but it hasn't changed a bit. We leave when the job is done. When the Iraqis can govern themselves. Just as in Afghanistan. Just as in other places we have liberated along the way.

But again, you contort facts, and wish others didn't notice it, or maybe even more sinisterly, you hope they do so that you can get some attention.


Go crawl back under a rock for a while. Things were pretty nice during the time you apparently vacationed and were not posting these bogus articles.

Post deleted by author. Sorry guys, I forgot ColG claims to be a moderate conservative, so it didn't make sense.

Proof

1,830 dead, 25,000 injured, $300 Billion so far for the Iraq War. ALL FACTS. Another fact. Bush did not say to Congress when he asked for the authority to go to WAR it was to "Give the Iraqi people the right to choose their government" Thus he LIED as to the reason we went to WAR. He would NEVER have reveived Congressional approval for the Iraq War if he told the truth-- There is NO ONE that is talking about defeating the insurgents in Iraq. We are just trying to hold on long enough to train some magic number of Iraqi military and police to make withdrawal look acceptable. Fact- there was no reason we had to go to war in Iraq. Fact, we NEVER completed the task in Afghanistan. Fact- We NEVER had the number of forces to control Iraq because BUSH knows more then the generals who told him it would take 300,000 to do the job properly. We went in with 1/3 that number!!!!!!!!!

Tsk. Again with the exclamation points. You're going to have a stroke, ColG.

Fact: You're nothing but a hysteric. A fanatically Bush-hating feeb who doesn't know what's fact and what's not anymore, because you've made up so many of your own "facts", or twisted the truth and real facts to suit your own views.
Can you even write about anything else?

1,830 dead, 25,000 injured, $300 Billion so far for the Iraq War. ALL FACTS.

Those "facts" don't equal proof col.

Bush did not say to Congress when he asked for the authority to go to WAR it was to "Give the Iraqi people the right to choose their government" Thus he LIED as to the reason we went to WAR.

That has to be one of the stupidest conclusions I have ever read. It really is too stupid to say anymore about it.

There is NO ONE that is talking about defeating the insurgents in Iraq.

Everytime I hear a General or military spokeman on tv, they always talk about it.

Fact- there was no reason we had to go to war in Iraq. Fact, we NEVER completed the task in Afghanistan. Fact- We NEVER had the number of forces to control Iraq because BUSH knows more then the generals who told him it would take 300,000 to do the job properly. We went in with 1/3 that number!!!!!!!!!

Fact- There is no logical reason to your hatred for Bush.

Fact- There is nothing you are going to do that will change this administration.

Fact- You distort and manipulate data to suit your needs.

Fact- You are full of bs.

Fact-- All you Bushies are mindless drones. If you think we are winning in Iraq, you are NUTS! Congress can change our policies if they had the BALLS! I have distorted nothing. The facts stand as proof that Bush is a disgrace! Iraq, the deficit, the trade deficit are just a few of the reasons Bush is a disaster.

For months: "GET OUT NOW!!! GET OUT NOW!!! GET OUT NOW!!!"

Now: "BUSH ABANDONING MILITARY VICTORY BY GETTING OUT NOW!!!"

What unadulterated horseshit. Sorry for the points.

Cheers,
Daiwa

Congress can change our policies if they had the BALLS! I have distorted nothing.

You have distorted EVERYTHING! I offer as proof your very own rhetoric: How is it Bushs fault with failed policies if it's Congress that doesn't have the "balls" to change the policies?

Drmiler

The policies congress is passing are the Bush policies. He and his conservative cohorts are creating the problems. It was the Bush policy on taxes and spending that took the National Debt from $5.7 Trillion in Jan 2001 to $8 Trillion today. It is the Bush policy that expanded the failed trade policy by adding China. The trade deficit almost doubled under Bush. The Iraq Way was the Bush policy that he got through Congress with a LIE-- We were in danger from Saddam according to Bush-- Now it is to give the Iraqi people the right to choose their own government. It is the Bush energy policy that has none NOTHING to help the price of oil because he refuses to deal with the single most important reason for increased demand and thus higher prices-- Poor gasoline mileage for new SUV's , cars and trucks sold in this country. The policies are those of Bush and people who think like him in Congress that have either created the problems (The Iraq War and annual deficit ) or made it worse (Trade deficit) etc.

The policies congress is passing are the Bush policies. He and his conservative cohorts are creating the problems. It was the Bush policy on taxes and spending that took the National Debt from $5.7 Trillion in Jan 2001 to $8 Trillion today. It is the Bush policy that expanded the failed trade policy by adding China. The trade deficit almost doubled under Bush. The Iraq Way was the Bush policy that he got through Congress with a LIE-- We were in danger from Saddam according to Bush-- Now it is to give the Iraqi people the right to choose their own government. It is the Bush energy policy that has none NOTHING to help the price of oil because he refuses to deal with the single most important reason for increased demand and thus higher prices-- Poor gasoline mileage for new SUV's , cars and trucks sold in this country. The policies are those of Bush and people who think like him in Congress that have either created the problems (The Iraq War and annual deficit ) or made it worse (Trade deficit) etc.

Then by "YOUR" own words the mess we're supposedly in is NOT all Bushs doing if it's congress that's passing the "failed" policies. You can't have it both ways. It's as simple as getting congress to stop passing the policies. Not everyone in congress thinks like GW. And btw... knock of the lie shit. We went to war on no lie. How many ways/times do you have to be shown/proven that every itell agency in the world thought the same things ours did?

Us rednecks are gettin' slaughtered over there in Iraq for that there blood-oil. Total war or no war. Stuck in the middle is not where us rednecks '...illers want to find ourselves, unless of course it's not your own neck on the line, right drmiller.

Love drkiller.\

BTW, a roll a giant meatball and whack you right upaside your a heada... redneck!

It is the Bush policy that expanded the failed trade policy by adding China.

I might be wrong here, and feel free to correct me if I am, but it seems to me that China was added, or at least proposed, while Slick Willy held the Big Chair.

drmiler

It is the President that proposes policies and Bush did everything possible to pressure congress into passing his policies. For the most part, he got his way and thus they are HIS POLICIES that Congress passed because it is controlled by the conservative GOP. The point is the policies are not solving ANY of the problems that existed ( energy, trade, jobs Social Security, Medicare, Medicade border security) when Bush took office and he has added new problerms (annual deficit and the Iraq War). It is time that control of congress change so they do not rubber stamp the bankrupt policies of Bush!

Yes, China was proposed during the Clinton term but approved by Bush. After 8 years of failed trade policies under Clinton, Bush expands the policy that failed- Real SMART!!!! Now Bush further expanded it into Central America. A intelligent person learns when something does not work and tries a different approach-- NOT BUSH! Who said he was intelligent?

drmiler It is the President that proposes policies and Bush did everything possible to pressure congress into passing his policies. For the most part, he got his way and thus they are HIS POLICIES that Congress passed because it is controlled by the conservative GOP.

Sheer BALONEY! The congress may have a plethora of republicans in it but there are "still" democrats in it. They can fillibuster EVERYTHING else but not this? BULL! Try again klink.

Man, Col....you need to take a pill or something. What are you going to do when Bush's term is up and you no longer have your favorite whipping boy to wale on?
You'll probably sink into depression and commit suicide for lack of purpose.

First, when Bush has completed his term the problems he will leave behind will just be getting started! The policies that are being passed are not what moderates or democrats want. The truth is that the Conservative GOP controlls Congress and the White House and the PISS POOR results are because of their policies! If you think Iraq, energy costs, the deficit, lack of border security, the trade deficit, lack of a solution for Social Security, a new prescription Drug plan that does not have one cent available to pay the estimated $60 Billion annual cost are good results of the current administration, you have a very LOW standards!

Bush was left with the ruin of a military that Clinton's policies created, and "went to war with the army" he had...which was Clinton's. We're still trying to climb out of that mess, and in the middle of a war, at that. Yet Bush takes the blame for it from myopic morons like you.

lack of a solution for Social Security

A problem actually left over from the previous administration.

a new prescription Drug plan that does not have one cent available to pay the estimated $60 Billion annual cost

There is no good solution to this, other than to lower the cost of the drugs. The only way to make prescription drugs will cost less is if the pharmaceuticals industry lowers its prices, and since they know they have us over a barrel and that we need their stuff, that ain't gonna happen.
This is a simple matter of greed, and trying to find a way to pay for it.