Since you've now sunk so low that your argument is nothing more than calling them "dirt bags," I'm outta here. You're so blinded by your rage that you're incapable of an honest thought. People who ignore the truth in the service of their twisted hatred are the bottom-feeders in my book, but I'll leave it to others to make up their own minds.

Cheers,
Daiwa

"The Wilson report that said Saddam did not try an buy Yellow Cake was TRUE."

Col, after all this talk you STILL don't know what you are talking about. Do you not realize how painfully obvious it is that you have just read a couple of blurbs about it?

No one ever said Hussein had bought any uranium from Niger. What was alleged was Iraq had ATTEMPTED to by uranium. In reality the overtures were made, but there was no proof an actual deal was ever made.

Please, for your own sake, when you write an article, know what the hell you are talking about. You said the Rove thing needed to go to the grand jury and it has been there for a long time. You didn't know anything about the political mess that caused the Rove situation.

So, in the end, you don't have any opinion on this, because you aren't really informed enough to. You just have your deranged, hateful bias and want to see a couple of the "dirt bags" that posses your mind "taken down". Take your meds and read a bit more next time.

Whet is sad is that so many people will not look at what Bush is doing to our country.

People have looked, and that's why he was re-elected.

Bush and his staff did not like it and when the report was not supportive of Bush, Cheney was cought for having sent Wilson on the trip.

It has already been shown to you that Cheney had nothing to do with it. Plame was the one who sent him on the trip. Where are you getting your information from, the DNC?

Are you ever going to answer the question col? Will you finally admit you are completely partisan and give democrats a pass?

I thought Plame was not a CIA Agent. If she as you claim had the authority to send Amb Wilson on his trip, she must have been an important person in the CIA.

I didn't say she didn't have authority, I said she was not an agent. Just because she had some authority doesn't mean she was a super spy.

The point is he said there was no evidence that supported the Bush claim that Saddam attempted to purchase Yellow cake. As it truns out, Saddam had no viable nuclear program and all the BS from Cheney about the danger from Saddam with nuclear weapons was so much hipe to justify the War!

Have you read the other posts which tell about how Wilson lied and distorted his report? You should have because it's been posted many times. It must be one of those things you refuse to look at, just like good news from Iraq.

Are you ever going to answer the question col? Will you finally admit you are completely partisan and give democrats a pass?

she didn't send him there, she pimped him to her bosses. The memo she wrote is included in the Iraq report.

How in the hell can you attest to what the Wilson report said, when you haven't read it, and you refuse to even read the report about it? If Wilson didn't have anything to do with it, then you shouldn't have brought up your lies about his report "debunking" Bush in the original document.

You're a digit, col, regurgitating the party line. You're just willing to accept the word of a man who was caught telling lies to the press because he is a Dembot. What WILL you do if a Democrat wins in 2008? From the looks of things your primary reason to be will be gone...

White House Admits WMD Error

July 8, 2003



Bush's Bogus Charge


(CBS)



"I am quite sure we did the right thing in removing Saddam Hussein because not merely was he a threat … to the wider world but it was an appalling regime that the world is well rid of."
Prime Minister Tony Blair

In his State of the Union speech, President Bush referred to British claims that Iraq had tried to buy uranium in Africa — a claim that may be false. (AP)

Blair supported the war at great political risk and now appears to be paying for it. Polls show he is deemed less trustworthy than rival political leaders. (AP)


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(CBS/AP) Amid questions about prewar intelligence, the White House is acknowledging that President Bush was incorrect when he said in his State of the Union address that Iraq recently had sought significant quantities of uranium in Africa.

Claims about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction were a primary justification for the war, but U.S. forces have yet to find any such weapons. The House and Senate intelligence panels are looking into prewar intelligence on Iraq and how it was used by the Bush administration.

Mr. Bush said in his address to Congress in January that the British government had learned that Saddam recently sought significant quantities of uranium in Africa.

The president's statement in the State of the Union was incorrect because it was based on forged documents from the African nation of Niger, White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said Monday.

"The president's statement was based on the predicate of the yellow cake" uranium "from Niger," Fleischer told reporters. "So given the fact that the report on the yellow cake did not turn out to be accurate, that is reflective of the president's broader statement."

Fleischer's remarks follow assertions by an envoy sent by the CIA to Africa to investigate allegations about Iraq's nuclear weapons program. The envoy, Joseph Wilson, said Sunday that the Bush administration manipulated his findings, possibly to strengthen the rationale for war.

Wilson, a former U.S. ambassador to the West African nation of Gabon, was dispatched in February 2002 to explore whether Iraq tried to buy uranium from Niger.

Writing in a New York Times op-ed piece, Wilson said it did not take him long "to conclude that it was highly doubtful that any such transaction had ever taken place."

In an interview on NBC, Wilson insisted his doubts about the purported Iraq-Niger connection reached the highest levels of government, including Vice President Dick Cheney's office.

In fact, he said, Cheney's office inquired about the purported Niger-Iraq link.

"The question was asked of the CIA by the office of the vice president. The office of the vice president, I am absolutely convinced, received a very specific response to the question it asked, and that response was based upon my trip out there," Wilson said.

Yet nearly a year after he had returned and briefed CIA officials, the assertion that Saddam was trying to obtain uranium from Africa was included in Mr. Bush's State of the Union address.

The International Atomic Energy Agency told the United Nations in March — after the State of the Union — that the information about the uranium procurement efforts was based on forged documents.

A British parliamentary committee concluded Monday that Prime Minister Tony Blair's government mishandled intelligence material on Iraqi weapons — and said key questions remain about the allegations of an attempted uranium deal with Nigeria.



WaPo, Corn on Rove’s Plame-Outing Role

The Washington Post has a page 1 story today on the evidence linking Karl Rove with the outing of undercover CIA agent Valerie Plame: Rove told reporter of Plame’s role but didn’t name her, attorney says.

It seems that Rove’s lawyer, Robert Luskin, has slightly altered the story he’s telling the media (or maybe the media was sloppy in handling the quotes he gave them over the past few days). In the LA Times article from July 3, we read this:

In confirming the conversation between Rove and Cooper, Rove’s attorney, Robert Luskin, emphasized that the presidential advisor did not reveal any secrets.

But in today’s Washington Post article, we read the following:

Luskin said yesterday that Rove did not know Plame’s name and was not actively trying to push the information into the public realm.

Instead, Luskin said, Rove discussed the matter — under the cloak of secrecy — with Cooper at the tail end of a conversation about a different issue. Cooper had called Rove to discuss other matters on a Friday before deadline, and the topic of Wilson came up briefly. Luskin said Cooper raised the question.

“Rove did not mention her name to Cooper,” Luskin said. “This was not an effort to encourage Time to disclose her identity. What he was doing was discouraging Time from perpetuating some statements that had been made publicly and weren’t true.”

In particular, Rove was urging caution because then-CIA Director George J. Tenet was about to issue a statement regarding Iraq’s alleged interest in African uranium and its inaccurate inclusion in President Bush’s 2003 State of the Union address. Tenet took the blame for allowing a misleading paragraph into the speech, but Tenet also said that the president, vice president and other senior officials were never briefed on Wilson’s report.

Um, right. But if Cooper’s notes are to be believed, Rove did tell him that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA. And it sounds from this as if Luskin isn’t challenging the accuracy of those notes. So if both of these newspaper articles accurately reflect what Luskin said, he had to be lying at least one of those times. Rove could not have both discussed with Cooper that Joe Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA, and failed to reveal any secrets. Because the fact that she worked for the CIA was itself a secret. So as of this point I think I’ll be putting a big flashing asterisk next to anything sourced to Robert Luskin.

For a reality check, be sure to read what David Corn has to say on his blog today: Why Bush has to fire Rove:

But let’s put aside the legal issues for a moment. This e-mail demonstrates that Rove committed a firing offense. He leaked national security information as part of a fierce campaign to undermine Wilson, who had criticized the White House on the war on Iraq. Rove’s overworked attorney, Robert Luskin, defends his client by arguing that Rove never revealed the name of Valerie Plame/Wilson to Cooper and that he only referred to her as Wilson’s wife. This is not much of a defense. If Cooper or any other journalist had written that “Wilson’s wife works for the CIA”–without mentioning her name–such a disclosure could have been expected to have the same effect as if her name had been used: Valerie Wilson would have been compromised, her anti-WMD work placed at risk and national security potentially harmed. Either Rove knew that he was revealing an undercover officer to a reporter or he was identifying a CIA officer without bothering to check on her status and without considering the consequences of outing her. Take your pick: In both scenarios Rove is acting in a reckless and cavalier fashion, ignoring national security interests to score a political point against a policy foe.

This ought to get Rove fired–unless he resigns first.

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The Col refuses to accept that the information CBS and other news services based those articles on was found to be LIES leaked to them by an "anonymous" Joseph Wilson. He'd rather regurgitate the lies.

The REAL conclusion of the Senate investigation about Wilson's claims was:

""Conclusion 13. The report on the former ambassador's trip to Niger, disseminated in March 2002, did not change any analysts' assessments of the Iraq-Niger uranium deal. For most analysts, the information in the report lent more credibility to the original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) reports on the uranium deal, but State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) analysts believed that the report supported their assessment that Niger was unlikely to be willing or able to sell uranium to Iraq."

Meaning that a) Wilson didn't debunk a damn thing, and it wasn't that Iraq wasn't interested in buying uranium, and that overtures may not have been made, rather that Niger just wasn't able or willing to accomodate.

The Col ignores the fact that Wilson lied to the press, and them posts the lies the press printed.

Sorry, this is so idiotic I can't help myself.

That was NOT what Bush and Cheney wanted to hear and they most likely retaliated by outing his wife's name as a CIA operative!

I'll ignore the "most likely" hedge for the moment, but noone, certainly not Gene, has yet to explain exactly how "outting" Wilson's wife would have constituted "retaliation." That whole theory is a figment of the press's imagination, a pure supposition based on what they want to believe, invented to give this story some legs. It simply doesn't pass the test of logic. Why would they need to "out" the guy's wife when they knew he had misrepresented his findings and would be called on it when it was examined closely - they had the truth on their side so no "retaliation" was even needed.

This e-mail demonstrates that Rove committed a firing offense. He leaked national security information as part of a fierce campaign to undermine Wilson, who had criticized the White House on the war on Iraq.

This is so not true. There was no "fierce campaign" and he never "leaked national security information" - Cooper initiated the call; Cooper brought up the subject of Wilson, not Rove; Cooper confirms Rove's account of the conversation. You keep embellishing the original unfounded allegations with even more outlandish BS. Your "Let's string 'im up quick! Before anyone finds out he's not guilty!" campaign is just sick, Gene. The lies you're spreading here are despicable.

Cheers,
Daiwa

Section 421. Protection of identities of certain United States undercover intelligence officers, agents, informants, and sources

(a) Disclosure of information by persons having or having had
access to classified information that identifies covert agent
Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified
information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses
any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not
authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the
information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the
United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert
agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be
fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or
both.

_______________________________________________________________________________

Miss Plume was not, and has never been a covert agent. She was just a CIA employee that every body that knew them had known where she worked. If you were to throw anyone in jail for identifying that she worked with the CIA, they need to start with both her and her husband. Even the Times reporter Cooper, had stated that he just had to here Wilson's Wife to know her by name and already had known that she worked for the CIA.

Another point of interest. The time Magazine editorial staff was very eager to release Cooper's private notes to the Grand Jury (i.e. Rove POC). But the Time staff refuses to release Miller's, the other journalist of theirs sitting in jail now, notes. Why?

We all know that Time Magazine is more then willing to fry the administration every chance they get (just read any of their issues), but why not go behind Miller's back (as they did Cooper) to release her notes. Me thinks that the source is different, and Time knows it will hurt their political axe grinding if Miller's source is revealed.

The second point of interest: Cooper's source (i.e. Rove) has authorized Cooper to reveal him as the source. But why has the source for Miller, not released Miller from the confidentiality clause? If Rove was her source it would not do any more damage or be anymore beneficial for Rove not to release her. It make perfect since that Rove is not her source, but someone else that Time Magazine don't want outed is.

Why is it that when Cooper refused to release his info Time fired him, but when Miller didn't, Time hired more lawyers in her defense.

Something smells fishy.

I thought Plame was not a CIA Agent. If she as you claim had the authority to send Amb Wilson on his trip, she must have been an important person in the CIA. The point is he said there was no evidence that supported the Bush claim that Saddam attempted to purchase Yellow cake. As it truns out, Saddam had no viable nuclear program and all the BS from Cheney about the danger from Saddam with nuclear weapons was so much hipe to justify the War!

Even if she was an agent ( which she herself said she wasn't) Agents do NOT have the authority to send an ambassador on ANY trip! And get smart will ya? Wilson has already "proved" to be a LIAR! Christ I gave you more credit than this.

Anyone that believes the outing of Wilson's wife was not a reaction by the Bush Administration to the Yellow Cake and the Wilson report is kidding themself.

As to moral issues Lucas, Limbaugh breaking the law in Florida (Doctor Shopping to obtain drugs) and then telling 20 Million radio fans about his right wing morality and Rove saying he had nothing to do with the Plame issue when we now have the E-mails and his lawyers statements that refute this are "moral" issues in our society.

The conservatives are so convinced they are right that, for them the END justifies the means. Gusss what, there are radical terrorists that use the same lodgic as they kill women and children ( 9/11 New York and 7/7 London for example) to further their ENDS.