CIA:" Fair Play" Trumps Capturing Bin Laden

Girlie Men Bow To International Opinion??

from JoeUser Forums

this is over a week old but it blew me away--especially after seeing gwb last night explaining how iraq (which the cia reportedly has now designated as the main global location for training and motivating islamic terrorists) is so crucial to the war on terror.

apparently the opinions of the rest of the world (or parts of it anyway) and international law really do matter--much more that previously acknowledged--to  this administration and its new cia director.   time magazine published an interview with director porter goss in it's june 20, 2005 edition. 

when asked when osama bin laden would be captured, goss replied:

That is a question that goes far deeper than you know  In the chain that you need to successfully wrap up the war on terror, we have some weak links. And I find that until we strengthen all the links, we're probably not going to be able to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice.

"We are making very good progress on it. But when you go to the very difficult question of dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states, you're dealing with a problem of our sense of international obligation, fair play.

"We have to find a way to work in a conventional world in unconventional ways that are acceptable to the international community."

asked if he knew where bin laden was hiding, goss replied:

"I have an excellent idea where he is. What's the next question?"

as to whether bin laden is likely to attack america again, goss answered:

"Yes, it could. Certainly the intent is very high. And we are trying to stay ahead of their capability. And so far, I think we have done pretty well carrying the war to them, as it were. I think that's mattered."

i wish i'd been the interviewer.  my next question woulda been:

Q: do you really expect me to believe bush or cheney when they tell me i'm safer now than i was on september 11, 2001?  

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
someone musta gave bush and goss a strong bump upside they heads as infants.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
someone musta gave bush and goss a strong bump upside they heads as infants.


Nice bump, hehe.

"We have to find a way to work in a conventional world in unconventional ways that are acceptable to the international community."


Very interesting. I'll be interested in seeing what all the it-don't-matter-what-anyone-else-thinks-about-us crowd has to say about this.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
. I'll be interested in seeing what all the it-don't-matter-what-anyone-else-thinks-about-us crowd has to say about this.


as will i. we're takin the war to the terrorists, my ass.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top

I'll answer your question.

Yes.

Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
I think that some international co-operation would be wonderful, america must find a way to get this co-operation without compromising our safety or giving away our power to act unilateraly if NECESSARY.

I wonder what would the hate bush crowd would have said, if we did not war on Iraq, then another attack came using wmd's that Iraq supplied.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yes.


when i see the ads for drguy terrorist attack insurance, i'll take that answer seriously.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top

when i see the ads for drguy terrorist attack insurance, i'll take that answer seriously.

I dont do insurance.  You asked a question.  I answered it.

Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
when i see the ads for drguy terrorist attack insurance, i'll take that answer seriously.

I dont do insurance. You asked a question. I answered it.


Yeah but doc you "know" he wasn't really looking for an answer.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
do you really expect me to believe bush or cheney when they tell me i'm safer now than i was on september 11, 2001?


Yes also. The national security of the U.S. should not be left in the hands of democrats or liberals.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
I wonder what would the hate bush crowd would have said, if we did not war on Iraq, then another attack came using wmd's that Iraq supplied


there is an unreleased cia report which concludes that iraq has replaced afghanstan as the main center for training and motivating terrorists, largely because it's like on the job training for urban warfare.

why is an administration that has continually proclaimed it wouldnt allow itself to be hobbled by any international law that prevented it from fighting terrorism now saying it knows where bin laden is...but capturing him might ruffle some feathers?

is it the french he's so worried about offending?
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yeah but doc you "know" he wasn't really looking for an answer


if anyone's keepin score drmiler actually got one almost right--altho for the wrong reason. my imagined question woulda been asked of goss. dr guy's opinion is as valid as the next non-cia director i guess.

btw thanks for blacklisting me. (musta been somethin i said )
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
The national security of the U.S. should not be left in the hands of democrats or liberals.


got that right. let's say they knew where bin laden was. you don't expect them damn libs and dems would have the balls to enter pakistan and grab bin laden do you? they worry too much about what the world thinks of us.

luckily we got goss and bush who know where he's at but are cleverly pretending they're worried about upsetting relations with our good ally pakistan (after all, thanks to them, we don't need to do a lotta useless worrying about whether iran has the stuff it needs to build some nukes).

these two sages of strategy got it all worked out. they just pretend it aint no big deal if they catch bin laden or not. eventually osama will decide nobody's lookin for him anymore and maybe take a break. chance a trip to disneyworld or some shit. and then BAM..the trap will snap shut.

hey moe!
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
got that right. let's say they knew where bin laden was. you don't expect them damn libs and dems would have the balls to enter pakistan and grab bin laden do you? they worry too much about what the world thinks of us.


Exactly right. Remind me what the response was again after the first WTC bombing? Maybe you can tell me how many times the President visited the site?
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
Maybe you can tell me how many times the President visited the site?


well i gotta admit bush does a pretty good job of showing up and making tough speeches about how he's gonna do whatever it takes to get bin laden and al quaeda. apparently whatever it takes means = whatever it takes without getting our pakistani allies all upset n shit. maybe musharraf should drop by ground zero and make some speeches too.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
This is a bit of rhetorical ma****ba**on, kb.

The opposition will never give credit for something that doesn't happen, only blame for something that does. Bit like having to prove a negative, another opposition attack technique (which even passes for journalism, these days) - make a false accusation & demand the accused prove it false.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
And, I forgot to add...

I suspect you're just trying to be provocative, but arguing the hawk case is a bit disingenuous. The left is apoplectic about it already - imagine what would happen if the US stepped on another toe.

As long as you're in the mood to advocate we swashbuckle our way to OBL's hangout & jes grab 'im, please do jot a note to the Italian government & ask them to just dismiss those indictments of CIA employees, would ya?

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
make a false accusation & demand the accused prove it false.


i didn't put the words in his mouth. nor does it appear as if his statements have been truncated or taken outta context. i'll admit to presuming he's referring to pakistan (which makes it a bit more outrageous but only a bit).
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
I suggest you re-read my reply, kb - you completely missed the point.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
you completely missed the point.


possibly. i didnt have time earlier to respond to your second comment. but now i do.

I suspect you're just trying to be provocative, but arguing the hawk case is a bit disingenuous. The left is apoplectic about it already - imagine what would happen if the US stepped on another toe.


i had no problem with the war in afghanistan which involved concerns about stepping on toes. what i found increasingly problematic was and is ineptitude. not on the part of the men and women actually fighting there or in iraq. not on the part of their officers or their officers' officers or any other military personnel.

i don't recall anyone except the taliban being incensed.

i'm not sure who screwed up at tora bora, but what i know about it leads me to believe it was the cia with help from the team b command embedded in the pentagon by the administration. despite the fact that bin laden got away, the whitehouse began proclaiming victory and empowered its gang of civilian defense department officials to begin switching the focus from afghanistan to iraq.

'you can run but you can't hide' began morphing into 'okay you can hide but we'll find you when we're ready' now it's become 'we know where you are, but we're tied up in iraq and don't need any additional hassles.'
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
jot a note to the Italian government & ask them to just dismiss those indictments of CIA employees, would ya?


i'll do it as soon as we indict them for abusing their office and authority, make them repay the government for the ridiculous amount of money they spent to lodge themselves in luxury hotels and feed themselves at outrageously expensive restaurants and fire them for stupidity or incompetence (you choose) as evidenced by the paper trail they left...complete with real names and addresses.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top

there is an unreleased cia report which concludes that iraq has replaced afghanstan as the main center for training and motivating terrorists, largely because it's like on the job training for urban warfare.

Can you link to it?

Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top

dr guy's opinion is as valid as the next non-cia director i guess.

It is not an opinion.  It is an answer to a question.  You did not ask for an opinion. Please specify in the future.

Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
Can you link to it?


you could try www.anonymoussource dot com (itll make a link if i dont spell out the dot). cuz its still...

an unreleased cia report


here's a real link to a transcript of a press briefing in which scott mcclellan is left mumbling to himself about how iraq was the central front on terrorism before it became the central front on terrorism
Link

the nics report 'mapping the global future' (released last january and now declassified and available as a pdf document) describes the next generation of terrorists as the survivors of combat in iraq
Link (see pg 94)
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
It is not an opinion. It is an answer to a question. You did not ask for an opinion. Please specify in the future


i said i wish i could have asked goss this question:

Q: do you really expect me to believe bush or cheney when they tell me i'm safer now than i was on september 11, 2001?


unless you are porter goss masquerading as one of ju's rapidly growing contigent of uncredentialed doctors, any answer you provide could only be an opinon based on the response you anticipate i'd receive from goss.

if you are not porter goss, the response you proferred ('yes') can only be an opinion no matter how surely you may be convinced goss would, in fact, expect me to believe bush or cheney.
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
Since we're getting punctilious about credentials, let's see your crown & sceptre.

Cheers,
Daiwa