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George Bush Avoids the Real Issues

Why his policy in Iraq is flawed

from JoeUser Forums
The speech that the President of the USA, Geogrge Bush gave last night was billed as the speech of the prsidency.The expectation surrounding the speech was stupendous. At a time when the entire American nation is debaing the wisdom, legality and morality of the Bush-Blair War in Iraq, the President goes on air to declare to the world that he has no,policy. Three times during the course f his speech he said:We will stay the course in Iraq.This is Bushspeak for the status quo, that the majority of the American people (53%) are finding a problem. The casualities in Iraq both American and the Iraqi civillian are mounting. There is no time table for the with drawl of troops. The reasons for the failure to set a time table for troop withdrawal are at the very least, disingenuous. Bush says that the Resistance will just sit out the period and wait for the Americans to leave. This very statement of George Bush itself is proof that his policy has failed. He openly admits that should the USA leave, then it is back to square one. In that case what has the USA achieved by all the killing and mayhem in Iraq.

The AL qaeda has emerged much stronger after this invasion of Iraq. Whatever beSaddam's real or imagined flaws and crimes, encouraging Islamic fundamentalism was not one of them. He stood as a rock against the export of Isalmic Terrorism in the Middle East. Now the whole region is chalk a block full of terrorists and human bombs and car bomb exporters who threaten the very stability of the region. The real effect of this war in Iraq has been the revival of the Taliban in Afghanistan. This morning they shot down a US military chopper, killing all on board. Bush distracted the attention from the real war on Terror by waging an brutal and criminal awar of aggressionmin Iraq. The world has always known this. Now the American popuilation is also asking the same question.

It is time to declare the War in Iraq over and call the troops home.
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
Col, quoting an anti-Bush book is not providing facts. Try again.
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
" Col, quoting an anti-Bush book is not providing facts. Try again"
Actually IslandDog you're foolish to say that. One needs to look at the supposed facts that are being stated. To dismiss before hearing anything about it is ignorant. I read from both sides and make judgements based upon observation, not on what the author's politics are. What the hell's the matter with you?
Siege of Centauri
Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
Actually IslandDog you're foolish to say that. One needs to look at the supposed facts that are being stated. To dismiss before hearing anything about it is ignorant. I read from both sides and make judgements based upon observation, not on what the author's politics are. What the hell's the matter with you?


Col hasn't presented facts. He presents quotes from a book that was intended to go against Bush. When the col presents real facts, then we can talk.

I have read most of your posts. You make judgements based on the usual conspiracy theories, lies, and rhetoric that come from the left in this country. You are the one of the one's here who make ridiculous accusations against Bush and the U.S. with no facts to back up your stories. What is the matter with you?
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
I'm just gonna pop in and mention how no one's said that Ted deserved to get the same tone that he gave. I just want to throw that out there for all of you who jumped on me and told me that I was only getting my own "tone" back when I was attacked.

But whatever, he's on the right, just like y'all are, so he's entitled to the protection. Me, I happily go on, fending for myself.
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
#4 by BigDaddyCoolID

I admit, my response to Bahu was liberally peppered with "smack talk", however, there was also a whole lot of countering his points, but I guess you chose to jump over all that, like you chose to forget (or not bother to learn) that I am a disable vet, a U.S. Military Retiree and was in Desert Storm and involved with support operations for most of the "brushfires" of the late 80s, early 90s. Even with that, if I were physically able, I would still be in the Wisconsin National Guard. But nice shot anyway!!!

My counter to the "If you're so fired up about this war" BS would be...

If you consider Prs. Bush such an evil person who has nothing more than powerlust and empire building with this war, why don't you go join up with those who are fighting against him?

The insurgents would gladly take someone ready, willing and able to fight against Prs. Bush. If you aren't willing to fight for what you believe, then quit pointing your stinking finger at others!!!!
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
Bahu
Just think, if more people thought like you, we wouldn't have to worry about war, since you and your kind would just say, "Rape me Baby!" instead of fight for freedom.I vomit on you and all your cowardly stupidity!!!! Bonus Rating: Trolling Insightful


When the rhetoric gets this heated and abuse substitutes for reasoned discourse, I know that I am right.


You can think you're right all you want, however, if you'll notice, that line came at the END of my post. I countered your points just fine, but apparently you chose to ignore that in favor of the last line.

Besides, since the terrorists have been killing Americans and other westerners since the 70s, and you curse the name of the man who decided to quit laying back and taking it, how other than "rape me baby" do you see no reaction at all? If you're not willing to stand up to an attacker, you are accepting their right to attack you.
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
There is no evidence that 9/11 was planned or executed by anyone in Iraq!


Gene -

There is no evidence that President Bush ever said that was the case. He has said repeatedly that the Iraqi government had no direct involvement in the 9/11 plot. He has said, and correctly, that Saddam's regime was an obstacle to succeeding in the war on terrorism in general. You, and others of like mind, keep accusing him of something which never happened - he never blamed Iraq or Saddam for 9/11. That Saddam's regime lauded the 9/11 attackers as heroes is a fact. That members of Al Qaeda were offered encouragement, support, medical care and safe refuge, among other things, is a fact. That Saddam was playing the UN for the fool that it is in an effort to refill his treasury and finagle his way to reconstituting his arsenal is a fact. That allowing Afghanistan & Iraq to remain safe breeding grounds for terrorists, unchallenged, was not in the interests of the US or of stability in the Middle East is a fact. That the Madrid train bombing has been the only successful major terrorist act outside the Middle East since 9/11 is a fact. That free elections have been held in Afghanistan is a fact. That free elections for an interim government in Iraq have been held is a fact. That progress to completion of an Iraqi constitution continues is a fact. That Syria has been forced out of Lebanon by a Lebanese democratic movement is a fact. That Libya has renounced terrorism and abandoned its nuclear weapons program is a fact. That even Egypt has taken tentative steps toward democratic reforms is a fact. That Israel & the Palestinian Authority are closer to a resolution of their differences than ever before is a fact.

That small numbers of terrorist infiltraters & jihadists are blowing themselves up regularly and killing innocent Iraqis in the process is a fact. That this consititutes an "increase in terrorism" is false.

When facts, as opposed to emotionalism, are considered, there is ample cause for optimism. But optimism is not the currency of the left or of the lusting media. The incessant drumbeat of pessimism over the past 6-9 months needed to be rebutted and President Bush did that effectively, whether the left likes what he had to say or not.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
"Liberals will be liberals....you can't change them."....
Reply #34 from PolMach Forums Top
Ok, having now done a little homework here is something that needs to be said...

Ted, I owe you an apology.

For one I didn't know that you had already been in the service, and two, that you were now disabled.

Open mouth, insert foot, chew.

Had I known what your circumstances were I wouldn't have taken my post as far as I did. Being a newcomer here I saw what I percieved as someone being picked on and lept to his defense without knowing all of the facts beforehand. It was wrong of me to take it in the direction that I did without knowing all of the facts first.

So for that, I do apologize.
Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
Bahu, I know you're right, also. These fools will get it some day. Maybe.


Thank Yoyu. There are few who understand the human suffering the US invasion has caused.
Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top


It is certainly unrealistic to think that the Occupation can last for a long time i.e one more year. The US public is already getting tired of the blood letting that is going on. By not having an exit strategy Bush and the Bushmen are only perpetuating a gross error either intentionally caused or unintended.
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
Ok, having now done a little homework here is something that needs to be said...

Ted, I owe you an apology.

For one I didn't know that you had already been in the service, and two, that you were now disabled.

Open mouth, insert foot, chew.


Not a problem BigDaddyCool. I too have had more than my share of Tootsie Tea Parties due to a knee jerk reaction. Apology accepted.
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top
Besides, since the terrorists have been killing Americans and other westerners since the 70s, and you curse the name of the man who decided to quit laying back and taking it, how other than "rape me baby" do you see no reaction at all? If you're not willing to stand up to an attacker, you


I am certainly not justifying any attack on civillians. Nowhere have I ever said or will ever say that attacks on Americans or for that matter non combatants of other part of the world is justified. The issue specifically is Iraq. Now Bush and his Bushmen took the USA to war over the possession of WMD.They have not been found. Two, the 9/11 Commission did not find Saddam Hussain inolved in the Twin Tower Attacks. Saddam is a perfectly undesirable character but he was not involved in the 9/11 attacks.Now by using the 9/11 as a pretext for invading Iraq, Bush and the Bushmen have created a perfect breeding ground for terrorists in the Middle East. This is a consequence of the Bush invasion not the cause.
Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top
Trust me, Bahu hasn't been threatened into silence, we've been hearing his drivel for quite some time now, in spite of the hostile reaction it usually generates, he carries on, alive and well


If you do not agree does it become "drivel"Little _Whip.In fact the vast majority of the US population is against the War not just me.
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top
, and they aren't bound by the first amendment, either, they can banish on a whim, though I've never seen it done.


The reason why JU is popular all over the world is because there is more freedom of expression in this site than many others. Furthermore a dissenting post is hardly reason for silencing someone. I may disagree with you, but I will defend your right to express yourself.
Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top
They have not been found. Two, the 9/11 Commission did not find Saddam Hussain inolved in the Twin Tower Attacks.

--and yet during their investigation they never once to my knowledge disclosed their sources, the intell they used was suddenly perfect (they used foreign and us intell, which ironically was faulty cause of 'no' WMD's)...hmmm, perhaps...never mind...
Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top
By not having an exit strategy Bush and the Bushmen are only perpetuating a gross error either intentionally caused or unintended.


Exit strategies are not made public, do you even understand that concept?



In fact the vast majority of the US population is against the War not just me.


Proof? And don't quote a media poll of 1000 Americans.
Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top
It is certainly unrealistic to think that the Occupation can last for a long time i.e one more year. The US public is already getting tired of the blood letting that is going on. By not having an exit strategy Bush and the Bushmen are only perpetuating a gross error either intentionally caused or unintended.


No I'm sorry! We/they are NOT! Everyone goes on about the 58% that do not agree with the war. But what none of you are looking at is included in that 58% are a LOT of people that think we're not doing "enough" butt kicking or the people that think we should have turned Iraq into a "glass" parking lot.
Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top
BigDaddyCoolID , godd reply. Nothing I hate more than bullies and people who cofuse ranting with debating. After your reply I have nothing to add. Other than to say disagreeing with war is not cowardice, as a matter of fact, bullies are cowards.
As for the war whether we agree or not we are there and now we have to stay and finish the job. We are now in a situation where we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.