Comparing America to the worst dictators in History is ok. Comparing America to Hitler is ok. But now democrats want someone to apologize over this.

I'll tell you what senator. We'll call for Karl Rove to retract and apologize for his statements the day that the democrats censure Sen. Durbin for his!

ummmm...Durbin did apologize. And Democrats said he was out of line. Karl Rove hasn't apologized, in fact, the White House backed him. Until yesterday, I wasn't aware that I wanted to give therapy to Bin Laden, or to indict victims. My family, which is about as liberal as it gets, was 100% behind Bush for Afghanistan. After 9/11, we were among the other 97% of Americans calling for Bin Laden's death. And we still hope Bin Laden is captured or killed. 9/11 was one of the worst, if not the worst day in American History, and in response, we threw aside politics, for once, and worked together to bring Bin Laden down. Unfortunately, many people now have forgotton that unity that got things done.

Comparing America to the worst dictators in History is ok. Comparing America to Hitler is ok. But now democrats want someone to apologize over this. I'll tell you what senator. We'll call for Karl Rove to retract and apologize for his statements the day that the democrats censure Sen. Durbin for his! ummmm...Durbin did apologize. And Democrats said he was out of line

If you consider Durbin's apology to be for real, then you need to seek counseling. What "democrats" said he was out of line?

If you consider Durbin's apology to be for real, then you need to seek counseling. What "democrats" said he was out of line?

Dick Daily Jr. That is all.

Durbin was a complete moron and will hopefully not get reelected. His comments were insensitive and wrong.
Dean says stupid shit left and right. People have been all over him demanding he apologize and such.

Rove says something pretty damn dumb.

So, because Democrats do it so much, Republicans can get away with it once or twice? I think if the Republicans are going to demand apologies from Democrats, it should go the other way. Rove managed to lump the entire country left of center together in a very insulting way. I think he deserves to have his stupid remarks rubbed in his face.

The apology demand thing goes both ways, you can't play until the game turns against you then take your ball and go home.

What Rove said was true, what Dean and Durbin said wasn't. That's the difference.

There is more proof of how liberals try to defend terrorists and blame America, than there is for any accusations they make.

It doesn't matter how many times Democrats screw up, how many stupid things they say, how many errors they make. That doesn't excuse bad behavior on the other side of the aisle.

That's like me saying "Well, I figured stealing that CD from the corner store was ok, because by comparison other people are shooting people in the streets... What I did is minor by comparison and hardly ever happens, so I should get a pass"

If you're going to get mad when the left insults republicans, don't be surprised, shocked, indignant, self-rightous when when they get mad when you insult them. You think you're right, they think they're right... When stuff like this happens, everyone's just a bunch of assholes.

Zoomba: Do you consider yourself a Liberal? What Rove said was:

"liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."

To me, that is the textbook definition of Liberal in this case. It has more to do with what the word Liberal means in and of itself, I think, than a class of people in the US. You have to admit that the goal of the Liberal in any situation is going to be different than the goal of the Conservative. That's why we have the difference to begin with.

I don't consider you a Liberal, Zoomba. Perhaps you lean toward the Liberal side on some opinions, but Liberals are defined by such for better or worse, and I don't think you allow yourself to be.

#12 by Zoomba Friday, June 24, 2005 As a Democrat,

Exactly wrong. he said Liberals. He did not mention democrats.

just another case of someone on the left "SEEING" what they want to see, so they can piss and moan.

big difference between Liberal and democrat,

#21 by Reiki-House Friday, June 24, 2005 "ummmm...Durbin did apologize. And Democrats said he was out of line. Karl Rove hasn't apologized, in fact, the White House backed him" Ha. Someone's been skimming the papers a little too quickly. Not that the papers were saying anything important.

Hey RH why don't you try doing a little lite reading becaues your suppositions are misguided at best!Because in all actuallity Durbin did NOT apologize! And just and FYI give me the names of those dems tahat hagecalled him to task, that is if you can.

Durbin did apologize No, he did not. If you think that is an appology, then I have a bridger in Brooklyn to sell you! "If I offended anyone" is not the same as "I was wrong to call them Nazis". Learn the difference. You might be able to pass an english comprehension test if you do.

What Rove said was true, what Dean and Durbin said wasn't. That's the difference. Democrats have focused on blaming SOMEONE here for 9-11 since it happened. We have spent millions investigating and laying blame. Then, we hear that we should have known it would happen because of how we treat the poor Arabs. We should have known because we're all 'little eichman's' and fair game because we take part in a successful capitalist society. Rove was right. The reaction of the Democratic party was sympathetic to the victims, but totally opportunistic dragging people in front of subcommittees trying to glue a target to someone's, anyone's head.

hmmm.....interesting, sounds like a tennis match....back and forth, back and forth......(can't stand tennis,more of a golf person myself)


--doc b

The lack of single-mindedness is the problem

more like a lack of substance (in several senses of the term), focus, historical perspective and, most of all, any kinda real plan. i'm gonna guess you're talking bout iraq, but things were going south before anyone hadda chance not to offend anyone there. nearly 4 years later, afghanistan is a long way from being stable (except, perhaps, in kabul) and there's still a significant taliban presence. if anyone shoulda been aware of the mistakes we made in walking away from afghanistan after the ussr imploded and also been determined not to repeat them, it shoulda been the very people who wound up pretty much doing the same thing again in 2002. we certainly haven't allowed bin laden to remain at large because we were worried bout offending anyone.

nor does that have anything to do with north korea's nukes.
or with iran's nukes.

as far as domestic security goes, checking passesngers' shoes before allowing them to board planes and confiscating lighters is certainly visible and aggravating as hell, but it's all show. i live less than a mile from about a square mile of fuel and chemical containers located a couple blocks away from the main channel of the biggest port on the west coast. despite all the money that's supposed to be spent bolstering security in the harbor, there's nobody available to investigate supposedly empty containers being returned to the port (something the longshoremen did until relatively recently) and there's nothing--literally nothing--available to stop a supertanker from plowing thru the outer breakwater and down the channel til it smacks into something at 30 knots (no brakes on ships) and sets off the whole tank farm.

the same thing on a slightly smaller scale--using 18-wheelers or trains--is possible just about anywhere on the continent. it's pitifully easy to gain access to chemical plants. nuclear facilities are hardly more secure than most banks.

i'm not even scratching the surface--and i'm sure you know that as well as anyone (actually i'd bet you're far more aware of the problem than 99% of the population, myself included).

rove is either delusional or he's convinced the rest of us are dumb as fuckin rocks.