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This Amendment Bans What Now?

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June 24, 2005 1:02:56 AM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
(I know this is old news by now, but I haven't been on until now and I wanted to give my two cents on it)

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Flag burning you say? Ah. Well, I can see that. After all, like Jon Stewart said: "Today the House passed an amendment to ban the burning of the flag, thus ending the Iraqi insurgency."

What importance does this have? Really? Why do we need an amendment to ban burning of the flag? I already believe that it is protected by the First Amendment. Well, I guess if you can pull together a good argument I might be swayed into its relevance, maybe even supporting it.

"Ask the men and women who stood on top of the Trade Center," said Rep. Randy (Duke) Cunningham, R-Calif. "Ask them and they will tell you: pass this amendment."

...what? What? They will tell us to pass this amendment? Really? Well, thank you, oh-great-reader-of-minds. Thank you for telling us their political beliefs. I bow before your utter knowledge of what people will support! Oh, but don't worry. That isn't their best argument for it.

"Some say that this amendment violates the first amendment. It does not."

Oh. Well, there we go! All my worries are over. It doesn't! I have seen the light! How could I have not seen it before!? His argument is so superb I cannot help but recognize the complete wisdom! This man should be president! After all, he has some of the best reasons for things I have ever heard!

All right, I'll go a bit lighter on the jokes now. Clearly, I do not support this amendment. But that's not really what I'm picking apart here. It's the reasoning of the representatives that I'm picking apart. I mean, the arguments that I've seen so far, uh, not so good. These are our elected officials! They should be able to debate better than this! If this kind of stuff can win, imagine if someone who could express ideas clearly and rationally got in. My God, they would control Congress! But rest assured, citizens of America, I don't think that will be happening any time soon. A man can dream though, eh?
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Reply #1 June 24, 2005 1:41:30 AM
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I also suggest the banning of pickles on quarter pounders which is clearly unpatriotic and a comfort for terrorists.
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Reply #2 June 24, 2005 1:47:32 AM
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I also suggest the banning of pickles on quarter pounders which is clearly unpatriotic and a comfort for terrorists.


I'm sorry, but without reasoning such as that that does not violate an amendment, I cannot jump onto your wagon.
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Reply #3 June 24, 2005 2:02:58 AM
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I'm so glad to know this new information. Just think of the impact this will have on Joe Q. Sixpack. I mean, knowing that, as a man jumped from the tower, and as he plummeted towards mother earth, he looked and saw a flag. Just before he hit the ground, his last thought (according to Rep. Cunningham) was.... At least that flag isn't burning.

Then, with his right hand over his heart, SPLAT!!!
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Reply #4 June 24, 2005 2:23:57 AM
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y'all are doin a great disservice to one of america's miracle workers. in the midst of socal's wildly bubbling red-hot real estate market, rep cunningham managed to do the impossible by selling his home to a defense contractor who subsequently resold it a short time later for $700,000 less than he paid duke--thus saving the guy a whole buncha taxes. nobody can figure out how it was done. even the homes that slid down the hill in laguna went up in value as they changed sites. yet somehow the price of cunningham's property dropped. amazing.
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Reply #5 June 24, 2005 2:42:05 AM
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IF I agreed with this, which I don't, I still don't understand what provoked it considering I haven't seen any surge in flag burning. Was this just "the time to do it", or are there mobs of flag burners that I haven't heard about?

This would be like suddenly passing a law against golffish swallowing or something. Do these folks just sit and fume about the flag being burned whether people are burining it or not?
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Reply #6 June 24, 2005 2:59:57 AM
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I still don't understand what provoked it considering I haven't seen any surge in flag burning.


it's a red-white-and-blue herring...cunningham's being investigated for selling his home to a defense contractor for about 700k more than it was worth.
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Reply #7 June 24, 2005 10:33:25 AM
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Just before he hit the ground, his last thought (according to Rep. Cunningham) was.... At least that flag isn't burning.


I know that touched my soul.

IF I agreed with this, which I don't, I still don't understand what provoked it considering I haven't seen any surge in flag burning. Was this just "the time to do it", or are there mobs of flag burners that I haven't heard about?


I'm going to dip back into the Jon Stewart quote vault for this one: "It is my understanding that most American flag burning nowadays takes place overseas. If so, this amendment would have the impact of banning American use of the metric system."

it's a red-white-and-blue herring...cunningham's being investigated for selling his home to a defense contractor for about 700k more than it was worth.


Doesn't mean we can't have a bit of fun.
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Reply #8 June 24, 2005 8:30:17 PM
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F I agreed with this, which I don't, I still don't understand what provoked it considering I haven't seen any surge in flag burning. Was this just "the time to do it", or are there mobs of flag burners that I haven't heard about?


I believe it is just that some legislators got bored and decided they needed to get up in arms about something.
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Reply #9 June 24, 2005 8:33:46 PM
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I believe it is just that some legislators got bored and decided they needed to get up in arms about something.


Yes, because working to help America just gets SO boring.
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Reply #10 June 24, 2005 8:37:39 PM
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Heh, I wouldn't know. My aim is to overthrow the very government we speak of.

Not really.
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Reply #11 June 24, 2005 9:56:33 PM
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Doesn't mean we can't have a bit of fun


of course not...in fact, fun for the entire political spectrum was intent here: Link

but if you're truly wondering why it suddenly became an issue, the answer is rep cunningham needed a diversion in the worst way (and this qualifies hahahaha) cuz he's about to become one of the big scandals of 2005 without something to deflect unwanted attention from himself.
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Reply #12 June 24, 2005 10:13:40 PM
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but if you're truly wondering why it suddenly became an issue, the answer is rep cunningham needed a diversion in the worst way (and this qualifies hahahaha) cuz he's about to become one of the big scandals of 2005 without something to deflect unwanted attention from himself.


But, if this is in fact true, and I do not doubt you, Kingbee, why are some people actually buying into it? Are they so incredulously stupid?

Actually, I thought the righties think they are are such a roll, or high, or whatever it is that power fills one up with, that they thought they'd just sucker this ol' dog through while the suckerin' is good. Seems to me there's a whole lot a suckerin' going on lately.
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Reply #13 June 24, 2005 11:59:16 PM
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why are some people actually buying into it? Are they so incredulously stupid?


Well, this is something that some people feel very strongly about. Normally, these are the people that write articles on it. That wasn't my reason, though; I feel very strongly about making fun of politicians who have really bad reasoning.
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Reply #14 June 25, 2005 1:09:23 AM
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, why are some people actually buying into it? Are they so incredulously stupid?


cuz its close to the 4th of july...there are troops dying overseas...cuz it's an inflammatory non-issue...and cuz this kinda thing almost always works (you notice the same-sex amendment thing disappeared once the election was over in 11/2004?
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Reply #15 June 25, 2005 1:10:16 AM
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Best article I've read about flag burning. Nice.
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Reply #16 June 25, 2005 2:24:39 AM
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Heh, I wouldn't know. My aim is to overthrow the very government we speak of.

Not really.


It's good thing you said "Not really" or you'd probably be charged under the Patriot Act.
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Reply #17 June 25, 2005 2:46:49 AM
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It's good thing you said "Not really" or you'd probably be charged under the Patriot Act


--oh please....with the amount of anti government,usa stuff that has been on JU, there would hardly be anyone left.....
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Reply #18 June 25, 2005 8:16:36 AM
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with the amount of anti government,usa stuff that has been on JU, there would hardly be anyone left.....


Now, that's food for thought, isn't it?
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Reply #19 June 25, 2005 8:22:19 AM
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cuz its close to the 4th of july...there are troops dying overseas...cuz it's an inflammatory non-issue...and cuz this kinda thing almost always works (you notice the same-sex amendment thing disappeared once the election was over in 11/2004?


Yup. Absoulutely. Yup, it's diversionary tactics, and the politicians are pandering to a segment of the population's emotions. And, some people respond accordingly. And, you certainly raise a good point. A major rightie platform was the anti-gay faction, predominantly religious, and quite emotional. I wonder if they're feeling a bit used. And, maybe abused............
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Reply #20 June 25, 2005 11:02:05 AM
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Best article I've read about flag burning. Nice.


Thank you.

It's good thing you said "Not really" or you'd probably be charged under the Patriot Act.


How do you know he hasn't?

--oh please....with the amount of anti government,usa stuff that has been on JU, there would hardly be anyone left.....


Hah...haven't you been noticing the decline?
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Reply #21 June 25, 2005 11:13:32 PM
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It's good thing you said "Not really" or you'd probably be charged under the Patriot Act.


I've been charged quite a few times, but I was released because I'm not a "Class A Priority" threat, whatever that is.
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Reply #22 June 26, 2005 12:15:27 AM
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What gets me about the whole thing... In the 80s flag burning was a burning issue, especially among conservatives. Today, I'm trying to find more than a handful of conservatives that are hot for the issue.

Apparently the only flaming issue about it now is, maybe we need an amendment banning the banning of burning the flag, so the whole thing will just go up in flames. ;~D
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Reply #23 June 26, 2005 12:19:36 AM
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Here's something I want all of our representatives in Congress to answer for me:

Say by some quirk of fate that this amendment does pass and it becomes law, and flag burning becomes illegal. Well then Mr or Mrs. Patriotism, to dispose of an old flag and send it into retirement, at lease according to the U.S. Scouting Service Project Website: "When the flag is in such condition, through wear or damage, that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, it shall be destroyed in a dignified manner befitting such a symbol. The traditional way is to cut the flag into pieces and burn it in a modest but blazing fire."

If this amendment passes, does this mean that this act of retiring the flag shall now become illegal? Does this mean that we will no longer be able to retire old and tattered flag by burning them? Then what are we to do with them then once they are no longer fit for display? Are we to bury them?, Are we to put them away in some warehouse never to see the light of day again? Or are we to keep displaying the flag no matter how faded, torn or weather beaten it has become?

If that is the case then to me that is just as disrespectful as burning it in protest of...whatever you happen to disagree with. Somehow I don't think that those who are for an anti-flag burning amendment have taken that into consideration.
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Reply #24 June 26, 2005 12:20:27 AM
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" What gets me about the whole thing... In the 80s flag burning was a burning issue, especially among conservatives. Today, I'm trying to find more than a handful of conservatives that are hot for the issue."


SOunds a bit harsh, maybe, but a LOT of people have died in 20 years, most from the WW2 generation. One has to wonder how many more 1950's era Republicans were around in the 80's when it was a big issue.
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Reply #25 June 26, 2005 7:53:01 AM
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Apparently the only flaming issue about it now is, maybe we need an amendment banning the banning of burning the flag, so the whole thing will just go up in flames. ;~D


Works for me.
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