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June 23, 2005 9:02:16 AM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums

"Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers, Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war."

"Conservatives saw what happened to us on 9/11 and said we will defeat our enemies. Liberals saw what happened to us and said we must understand our enemies."

Both quotes are from the same source.  A biased one at that, but even biased people can speak the truth.

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Reply #1 June 23, 2005 9:31:38 AM
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Even though they represent opposite ends of the spectrum... The last line is correct on both points. We must both work to defeat our enemy, and to understand them so we can better fight them in the future. You can't fight something you don't understand.
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Reply #2 June 23, 2005 9:34:28 AM
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Of course one of the best ways to study something is to dissect it...
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Reply #3 June 23, 2005 9:37:57 AM
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The quotes are another reason our national security cannot be trusted to liberals.
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Reply #4 June 23, 2005 9:38:26 AM
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Even though they represent opposite ends of the spectrum... The last line is correct on both points. We must both work to defeat our enemy, and to understand them so we can better fight them in the future. You can't fight something you don't understand.

Your take on it is a good one, but not what the author had in mind.  In the context of his speech, he was claiming that liberals think we should be more sympathetic to why they attacked us, not to understand their modus operandi.

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Reply #5 June 23, 2005 9:39:06 AM
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Of course one of the best ways to study something is to dissect it...

Hmmmmm......A good way to get rid of the Gitmo problem?

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Reply #6 June 23, 2005 9:39:49 AM
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The quotes are another reason our national security cannot be trusted to liberals.

Long before these quotes were uttered, JOhn Kerry told us that with his lying Senate testimony.

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Reply #7 June 23, 2005 9:39:54 AM
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I think the liberals are right. If we would just have sent them flowers and a box of chocolates they wouldn't have attacked us.
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Reply #8 June 23, 2005 9:54:16 AM
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I think the liberals are right. If we would just have sent them flowers and a box of chocolates they wouldn't have attacked us.

How about a nice smithfield ham from Hickory Farms?

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Reply #9 June 23, 2005 10:02:14 AM
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To understand the enemy is to know how best to defeat them. The savagery of 9/11 crossed political lines and I think there was more of a concensus from both political camps to be decisive about it. If being decisive meant striking out at the next opportune target with short-term gains or choosing our targets for long-term gains - this is what polarized the camps apart.
You're right about the bias on those quotes, whose slant favor the conservatives. But lest we forget, we have one common enemy. As far as I know the real fight is aginst them and not amongst us.
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Reply #10 June 23, 2005 10:04:56 AM
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You're right about the bias on those quotes, whose slant favor the conservatives. But lest we forget, we have one common enemy. As far as I know the real fight is aginst them and not amongst us.

Would it be that the Deans and Durbins knew that as well.

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Reply #11 June 23, 2005 11:22:45 AM
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You're right about the bias on those quotes, whose slant favor the conservatives. But lest we forget, we have one common enemy. As far as I know the real fight is aginst them and not amongst us.


I don't think one side considers them an enemy. They consider them victims of U.S. "oppression".
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Reply #12 June 23, 2005 12:42:24 PM
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soon I am sure some liberal group will have a memorial to "the brave men that gave thier lives to fight united states oppression, I can see it now a memorial to the brave 19 that layed there lives down.
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Reply #13 June 23, 2005 12:48:01 PM
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I don't think one side considers them an enemy. They consider them victims of U.S. "oppression".

I wont tar and feather the whole left with that statement, but i would say it does apply to many in the leadership of the left.

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Reply #14 June 23, 2005 12:49:09 PM
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soon I am sure some liberal group will have a memorial to "the brave men that gave thier lives to fight united states oppression, I can see it now a memorial to the brave 19 that layed there lives down.

They are trying to incorporate that one in with the 9-11 memorial.  Check it out.  The loony left at it again.

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Reply #15 June 23, 2005 1:50:43 PM
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soon I am sure some liberal group will have a memorial to "the brave men that gave thier lives to fight united states oppression, I can see it now a memorial to the brave 19 that layed there lives down.


Yes, but, as soon as it was dedicated and the crowd (what crowd there might be) cleared, it would be defaced with graffitti and vandalized.
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Reply #16 June 23, 2005 1:58:57 PM
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Yes, but, as soon as it was dedicated and the crowd (what crowd there might be) cleared, it would be defaced with graffitti and vandalized.


Dont confuse the left with the right. The left would do that.

The right would just blow it up.
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Reply #17 June 23, 2005 3:08:41 PM
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Of course one of the best ways to study something is to dissect it...


I like your logic
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Reply #18 June 23, 2005 3:26:21 PM
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I think Senator Kerry is doing a pretty good job of going after Carl Rove on the Senate floor right now. Carl Rove must have forgotten that the country was united after 9/11. Sounds to me that Rove is using 9/11 to promote a political agenda--that to me, is quite disgusting.

I find Rove's statements to be irresponsible and immature.


Edited: And Tim Johnson is making an excellent point as I type this--the men and women in Iraq who are fighting for our country, are both registered Democrats and Republicans. They are working together. Rove's statements are a slap in the face to the members of the military who are registered democrats.
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Reply #19 June 23, 2005 3:43:32 PM
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are both registered Democrats and Republicans. They are working together.


Can I ask just what the hell good it would do for them to work against each other? Exactly what choice do they have? They're kind of in a position where they have to work together or be killed. That's not a solid point for your argument.
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Reply #20 June 23, 2005 3:51:55 PM
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Can I ask just what the hell good it would do for them to work against each other? Exactly what choice do they have? They're kind of in a position where they have to work together or be killed. That's not a solid point for your argument.


The point being made is that if they can work together for the good of the country, that politicians and their advisors should be able to as well. Rove's comments do nothing more than divide an already polarized nation.
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Reply #21 June 23, 2005 3:55:02 PM
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Rove's comments do nothing more than divide an already polarized nation.


I agree, but he is just one man with his views. Not everyone, you for example, agrees with him.
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Reply #22 June 23, 2005 3:56:52 PM
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I agree, but he is just one man with his views. Not everyone, you for example, agrees with him


No, but I do find it hypocritical that we are all ready to slay any Democrat who insults the troops, but when it is done by a republican political advisor it is fine.
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Reply #23 June 23, 2005 4:47:02 PM
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I think Senator Kerry is doing a pretty good job of going after Carl Rove on the Senate floor right now. Carl Rove must have forgotten that the country was united after 9/11. Sounds to me that Rove is using 9/11 to promote a political agenda--that to me, is quite disgusting.

I find Rove's statements to be irresponsible and immature.


Edited: And Tim Johnson is making an excellent point as I type this--the men and women in Iraq who are fighting for our country, are both registered Democrats and Republicans. They are working together. Rove's statements are a slap in the face to the members of the military who are registered democrats.

And I would support them, once they demand that Durbin, Dean, Kerry, Kennedy, Ried, Pelosi, Clinton and Biden retract their more inflamatory remarks.

Why is it the left applauds when their own make inflammatory remarks and calls the SOLDIERS Nazis and Communists, and yet when the right says they are pacifist, they go bonkers?

Tim Johnson just signed his retirement papers.

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Reply #24 June 23, 2005 4:48:03 PM
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Can I ask just what the hell good it would do for them to work against each other? Exactly what choice do they have? They're kind of in a position where they have to work together or be killed. That's not a solid point for your argument.

But it is a lesson for the democrat leadership.  One they pathetically cannot learn.

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Reply #25 June 23, 2005 4:50:43 PM
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The point being made is that if they can work together for the good of the country, that politicians and their advisors should be able to as well. Rove's comments do nothing more than divide an already polarized nation.

Why do Rove's comments, that only talk about a concept, not a people, divide it more than Deans et. al. when they actually name names?

Before you can be taken with substance, it would be best for you to get your own (democrat) house in order.  Rove's comments are tame in comparison to the ones recently made my Dean Durbin and Biden, and nothing compared to what the rest of the democrat leadership has said over the last 5 years.

You want to convery anyone?  Start condemning the left when they go off the reservation. 

I missed your article condemning Durbin.  Sorry. I will try to find it.

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