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September 11th 2001

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September 11th 2001

How soon we forget.

from JoeUser Forums
While all this discussion about America’s inhumane treatment of the poor terrorists, we seem to have forgotten something.

We were attacked, innocent men and woman and children, civilians, sneak attacked, MURDERED.

While the left is busy wringing their hands over if we will be perceived better by closing GITMO, They seem to have once again dropped the ball.

Not only was 3000 INNOCENT Americans MURDERED, but how about the families of these 3000 people? Who worries about them?

When will the secular left get it? That no matter what we do, and how we do it, someone is going to be unhappy about it?

We are not here to please the world; we are here to defend ourselves from, no conscious, murdering, religious fanatics, bent on the total destruction of America and her ways.

Wake up America, we are at war, we are in peril, we are at risk of losing everything that makes us the great people and country that we are.
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am not doc, but here is MY TAKE, the holocaust happened in their backyard, and none of them did a damn thing to stop it, {cept fer da brits of course}


Neither did the US, or anyone else for that matter. Everyone is guilty of that, not just certain countries that conservatives don't like anymore.

Why they hell are they not in Sudan?


I could ask you (the US) the same thing. I could also ask myself (Canada) that. There's another one that we (our countries) are all just as guilty for not trying to stop.

I could also ask, why the hell were you not in Rwanda?
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
no matter what we do, and how we do it, someone is going to be unhappy about it


I agree with this on the whole. You can't please everyone all the time. Having said this, though, I still be anyone is entitled to be treated as innocent until proven guilty and not to 'make America look better' but just because it is the right thing to do.
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top

#26 by latour999
Wednesday, June 15, 2005





I am not doc, but here is MY TAKE, the holocaust happened in their backyard, and none of them did a damn thing to stop it, {cept fer da brits of course}


Neither did the US,


Sorry but this is just plain ignorant on history! We did "nothing"? What the hell do you call the european theater of operations during WW2? We didn't even know it was going on till we liberated some camps!
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
#26 by latour999
Wednesday, June 15, 2005


Neither did the US, or anyone else for that matter. Everyone is guilty of that, not just certain countries that conservatives don't like anymore.


we saw it as EUROPES problem till to late. america gets jumped for acting to fast, to slow and acting just right, there just is no winning with people that hate america, that's why I say FTW!
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
#27 by dynamaso
Wednesday, June 15, 2005


no matter what we do, and how we do it, someone is going to be unhappy about it


I agree with this on the whole. You can't please everyone all the time. Having said this, though, I still be anyone is entitled to be treated as innocent until proven guilty and not to 'make America look better' but just because it is the right thing to do.


right? by whos standards? and what about all the war laws these monsters broke? waving white flags and then shooting, using children and women as human shields? and on and on
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
Sorry but this is just plain ignorant on history! We did "nothing"? What the hell do you call the european theater of operations during WW2? We didn't even know it was going on till we liberated some camps!


I call it the Soviets kicking some Nazi ass all the way from Stalingrad to Berlin. Let's face it, Stalingrad was where the Nazis were defeated. And the only reason the allies landed in Normandy was to get themselves in a better position to keep Europe out of Soviet hands after the war.

Besides, there was a reason the other countries couldn't intervene. They were kind of taken over and occupied by the time. And saving the people killed in the Holocaust was never really a goal of the war. For Great Britain, it was a war of survival. America was attacked by Germany's ally. All of the former colonies were dragged in when Britain declared war.
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top

#31 by latour999
Wednesday, June 15, 2005





Sorry but this is just plain ignorant on history! We did "nothing"? What the hell do you call the european theater of operations during WW2? We didn't even know it was going on till we liberated some camps!


I call it the Soviets kicking some Nazi ass all the way from Stalingrad to Berlin. Let's face it, Stalingrad was where the Nazis were defeated. And the only reason the allies landed in Normandy was to get themselves in a better position to keep Europe out of Soviet hands after the war.

Besides, there was a reason the other countries couldn't intervene. They were kind of taken over and occupied by the time. And saving the people killed in the Holocaust was never really a goal of the war. For Great Britain, it was a war of survival. America was attacked by Germany's ally. All of the former colonies were dragged in when Britain declared war.


No it wasn't the focus on the war. By the time we had any proof at all (liberated camps) the war was over.


I call it the Soviets kicking some Nazi ass all the way from Stalingrad to Berlin. Let's face it, Stalingrad was where the Nazis were defeated. And the only reason the allies landed in Normandy was to get themselves in a better position to keep Europe out of Soviet hands after the war.


And "I" call this a load of manure!
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
right? by whos standards?


Sorry, Modman, I was actually referring to something someone said about closing GITMO (said it shouldn't be closed just so it looks like America is doing the right thing). What I mean is any action regarding terrorists is always going to be viewed by some elements as the wrong way to be handling them. I know it probably is niave on my part to assume their innocence, but if it is good enough for the goose, then it should be good enough for the gander.

and what about all the war laws these monsters broke?


This just sounds like the 'he did it to me, so I did it back to him' line, which I find counter-productive at best.
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top

I could also ask, why the hell were you not in Rwanda?

You chew our asses out for going into Iraq, and then chew them out for not going into Sudan and Rwanda?  Can you spell hypocrite?  At least we did something,you have done nothing.  And except for the Brits, neither has the rest of western Europe.

hypocrites!

Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top

I call it the Soviets kicking some Nazi ass all the way from Stalingrad to Berlin. Let's face it, Stalingrad was where the Nazis were defeated. And the only reason the allies landed in Normandy was to get themselves in a better position to keep Europe out of Soviet hands after the war.

You best go back and read the history again.  The above is not only naive, but ignorant and stupid as well.

Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
I'm not one of "the secular left" I'm actually a Christian and know that all mankind is created in the image of God, whether they believe that or not, whether they follow God or not, whether they come from the west, the middle east or anywhere else.

That's my main problem with Gitmo and some of the comments that I've heard surrounding it. These people are still people, still created in the image ot God, still desrve some sort of treatment as human beings. They are not animals, they should not be treated as such.

The September 11th victims do not need people using their names to justify anything. Not Bush using them, or you.
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
You chew our asses out for going into Iraq, and then chew them out for not going into Sudan and Rwanda?


Are you really that blinkered to think that these are comparable?

The west sat back and let millions be slaughtered in Rwanda
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top

Are you really that blinkered to think that these are comparable?

The west sat back and let millions be slaughtered in Rwanda

#1: That was Clinton and WESTERN EUROPE, thank you.

#2: You still did not address the point made in the statement you quoted.

This is a case where the 3 fingers are not enough.  You did nothing!  Dont lecture us when your crib is stained with blood.

Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top
31 by latour999
Wednesday, June 15, 2005


so latour, lets say we only fought the japanese, you are saying the russians could have defeated the entire might of the german army without us? please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top
right? by whos standards?


Sorry, Modman, I was actually referring to something someone said about closing GITMO (said it shouldn't be closed just so it looks like America is doing the right thing). What I mean is any action regarding terrorists is always going to be viewed by some elements as the wrong way to be handling them. I know it probably is niave on my part to assume their innocence, but if it is good enough for the goose, then it should be good enough for the gander.


I stand corrected maso
Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top
#34 by Dr. Guy
Thursday, June 16, 2005


I could also ask, why the hell were you not in Rwanda?

You chew our asses out for going into Iraq, and then chew them out for not going into Sudan and Rwanda? Can you spell hypocrite? At least we did something,you have done nothing. And except for the Brits, neither has the rest of western Europe.
hypocrites!


this is typical of world thinking, when europe does not go it's ok, when america does not go, it's evil, bad.
Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top
The west sat back and let millions be slaughtered in Rwanda


millions?? gee I would love you to be my banker, I could deposit 100,000 and get credit for millions.
Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top
EUROPE IS COWARDLY FOR NOT BOMBING ALL FOREIGN COUNTRIES INTO THE GROUND. DAMN THOSE COWARDLY EUROPEANS!!!

SICK!!!
Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top
this is typical of world thinking, when europe does not go it's ok, when america does not go, it's evil, bad.


And this is typical of why we don't care what euros think.
Reply #45 from JoeUser Forums Top
millions?? gee I would love you to be my banker, I could deposit 100,000 and get credit for millions.


It wasn't millions, or 100,000. From everything I have heard, it was somewhere between 800,000 and 1 million.
Reply #46 from PolMach Forums Top


The American public didn't know what was going on in the Nazi concentration camps but the administration did.

Government documents released in the mid-90's showed that ships carrying European Jews fleeing the holocaust arrived on American shores seeking asylum and were denied. Presumably those people met their fate on the forced return to German occupied Europe.

But that's not even the point. The issue of taking blame is always more compicated that these discussions make them out to be.

I say if you're making a geniuine and serious effort to do the right thing and catch flak for it, then so be it. THe problem is when criticism is actually due and we simply shrug our shoulders and say unacceptable things like "they're just gonna hate us anyway, so what."

That mind frame is not productive for any kind of resolution. Grown men and women should be able to take a look at where they have made mistakes, accept them and try to correct them.

It is the child that says "I don't care what you think" when valid criticisms are offered.
Reply #47 from JoeUser Forums Top
44 by Island Dog
Friday, June 17, 2005


And this is typical of why we don't care what euros think.


amen brother, like we give a flying fig what a decatent old world bunch of losers think. {well the liberals care}
Reply #48 from JoeUser Forums Top
#46 by 1tomot1
Friday, June 17, 2005


The American public didn't know what was going on in the Nazi concentration camps but the administration did.


yes they did, but I am sure you are one of those people that cry if we get involved to fast, to slow or not at all, there is just no pleasing some people when america is involved.
Reply #49 from JoeUser Forums Top
#45 by latour999
Friday, June 17, 2005


millions?? gee I would love you to be my banker, I could deposit 100,000 and get credit for millions.


It wasn't millions, or 100,000. From everything I have heard, it was somewhere between 800,000 and 1 million.


whatever the number, slaughter is awful, one or one million, but read what I said above this post, this applies to you too.
Reply #50 from PolMach Forums Top
When will the secular left get it?


Im curious as to when the tragedy on 9/11 became a sounding board for petty partisan politics. The tragedy on 9/11 was a tragedy and i wont forget it. Torturing suspected prisoners of war, if that is indeed going on, on our "innocent till proven guilty" soil is stooping to a level that is below our great nation. As for GITMO, I say we keep it open. Its nice weather, good food, and Christina aguilara music is no real torture. But this post need not be what it is: a generalized attack on the left (which i am, to clear the air, not one of the left or right.) under the pretense of a national tragedy, pounded in by mental pictures of dead americans, slaughtered at terrorist hands.