FISCAL CONSERVATIVES ABANDONING BUSH





More and more fiscal conservatives are coming to realize the fiscal policies of George W. Bush are anything but conservative. A search of Google will provide many articles about the problems fiscal conservatives are having with President Bush. Some fiscal conservatives like the Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan and former Secretary of the Treasury , Paul O'Neill have always counseled fiscal conservatism and a balanced budget even if it meant ending tax cuts. Other more dogmatic Republicans have tried to find excuses for the enormous deficit by blaming it on the war in Iraq, the war on terrorism and economic slowdown at the end of the Clinton administration. The truth is none defense spending has increased by about 6% per year during the Bush administration and so we have the worst of both worlds - a huge increase in military and defense expenditures coupled with a large increases in other spending.

For the true fiscal conservative the current situation brings the realization that deficit is so large that it cannot be solved without major increases in federal revenue. Thus, for the fiscal conservatives to achieve a balance between expenditures and revenues they will be forced to accept tax increases no matter how many cuts are made to deal with the huge deficit. If you exclude the Social Security and Medicare surpluses and look simply at the federal expenditures compared with the federal revenue, the imbalance is $675 billion in FY 2005. Even when the Iraq war has come to an end, we are looking at as much as $600 billion imbalance between the federal expenditures and the federal revenues. Solving the fiscal morass that has been created over the last five years is going to be painful and especially for those who believe in fiscal conservatism.
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If you abandon Bush, where do you plan to go? Will you run into Hillary's arms?
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The fiscal conservatives have a real dilemma.
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I always have to read the dates on your posts because they all basically say the same thing. Complaining, and more complaining.
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Island Dog

The articles I have read about the fiscal conservatives not supporting Bush are current. The reason many of the issues are the same is that Bush is NOT solving any of the problems and they are getrting worse.
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The articles I have read about the fiscal conservatives not supporting Bush are current


And obviously one-sided.
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The articles I have read about the fiscal conservatives not supporting Bush are current. The reason many of the issues are the same is that Bush is NOT solving any of the problems and they are getrting worse


Not everybody has to agree with Bush. There is no story here. Just the usual anti-Bush.
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The story is that even Bush supporters are turning from his fiacal policy of "Charge and Spend" and running up the debt.
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The story is that even Bush supporters are turning from his fiacal policy of "Charge and Spend" and running up the debt.


That is still no story.
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COL--Provide the links please...
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#10 by Lucas Bailey
Tuesday, June 14, 2005





COL--Provide the links please...


He can't! This is just more leftist do-do.
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He can't! This is just more leftist do-do


--I;m giving him a chance to rectify himself...
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COL--Provide the links please...


Not every conservative supports Bush. The same way not every democrat supports the liberal agenda of the democrats. That's why there is no story here. He just finds a story where a conservative doesn't agree with Bush, and has to make it into this whole big thing. It's part of his tactics. Making nothing seem like something.
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rectify himself


I think he should do that, too!

Cheers,
Daiwa
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I've been maintaining that bush is not a conservative republican. He is more of a fascist neocon crook.

1. His ties to corporate America and his pandering to them is a symptom of fascism.
2. His use of religion to marginalize anyone who doesn't believe his policies is a symptom of fascism.
3. His disregard of any dissention, regardless of where it's coming from is symptomatic of fascism.
4. His puppet-like character, wherein the actual neocons, ie cheney and rumsfeld, use him to further their own selfish interests is symptomatic of fascism.
5. The reliance on the Patriot Act, which is predominantly used against non-terrorists, but is now "legal", is yet another fascist symptom.
5. And finally, squandering the nation's money to maintain his power, giving tax breaks to rich, spending for a war that was not necessary, and for which he assured americans that the oil proceeds would pay for both the war and Iraq recovery, abandoning the middle and lower classes to fend for themselves, thereby further weakening the economy and the american character, all point to a fascist mentality.

For those who refuse to see this, your day of awakening is coming. COLGene is correct. Even the congressional republicans are seeing the light and abandoning bush. Only you diehard wannabe-lievers are continuing to stick by him.
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Even the congressional republicans are seeing the light and abandoning bush. Only you diehard wannabe-lievers are continuing to stick by him.


Hey zinkadoodle....Got any proof of this? If not STFU!
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If not STFU!


I thought swearing was prohibited on JU. Are you, mr moderator wannabee the only one allowed to swear?

OK I'll play your game. Go away and STFU, if you don't have any information to dispute my contentions.
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I've been maintaining that bush is not a conservative republican. He is more of a fascist neocon crook.


And I maintain anybody who uses the words "facists" and "neocon" in the same sentence is a liberal idiot.


1. His ties to corporate America and his pandering to them is a symptom of fascism.


Will you say the same about the democrats who have "ties" to corporate America and pander to them. I doubt it.

2. His use of religion to marginalize anyone who doesn't believe his policies is a symptom of fascism.


Examples?

3. His disregard of any dissention, regardless of where it's coming from is symptomatic of fascism.


Right......


4. His puppet-like character, wherein the actual neocons, ie cheney and rumsfeld, use him to further their own selfish interests is symptomatic of fascism.


That is just so stupid I won't go any further.

5. The reliance on the Patriot Act, which is predominantly used against non-terrorists, but is now "legal", is yet another fascist symptom.


Examples? Statistics maybe?

5. And finally, squandering the nation's money to maintain his power, giving tax breaks to rich, spending for a war that was not necessary, and for which he assured americans that the oil proceeds would pay for both the war and Iraq recovery, abandoning the middle and lower classes to fend for themselves, thereby further weakening the economy and the american character, all point to a fascist mentality.


Another full paragraph of bs. I could elaborate more, but there's no point. However, nobody has abandoned the poor or middle class.
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#17 by zinkadoodle
Thursday, June 16, 2005





If not STFU!


I thought swearing was prohibited on JU. Are you, mr moderator wannabee the only one allowed to swear?

OK I'll play your game. Go away and STFU, if you don't have any information to dispute my contentions.


Just a clue for the clueless. What I posted is NOT even "remotely" considered swearing. It in no way violates the TOS. So grow up! And as you see....I'm not the only one that feels this way.
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thought swearing was prohibited


--Bwahahahahahaha.....You must be joking!
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Just go to Google and enter, "Fiscal Conservatives not supporting Bush policies" and you can take your pick. The truth is that any true conservative could never support the never ending deficits that Bush has created! You can not increase spending and cut taxes without creating a fiscal mess and that what Bush has done. He was warned by both Greenspan and O'Neal not to allow the budget to return to annual deficits.
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Just go to Google and enter, "Fiscal Conservatives not supporting Bush policies" and you can take your pick. The truth is that any true conservative could never support the never ending deficits that Bush has created! You can not increase spending and cut taxes without creating a fiscal mess and that what Bush has done. He was warned by both Greenspan and O'Neal not to allow the budget to return to annual deficits.


I can "google" a lot of things. That's not a very intelligent way of presenting an arguement.

Hey col. Go to google and type in "wacky leftists".

Col, I also noticed you haven't replied in the posts about good news from the economy.