Kerry has finally started releasing some of his files that he had promised to during the campaign.  For all the left-wing attacks on Bush's intelligence it seems rather ironic that Bush did better at Yale than Kerry did (even if barely).  The good news is that Kerry did do well in one subject - French.

This isn't to say Kerry is dumb. But for some bizarre reason, left-wingers tend to believe that they are intellectually superior to conservatives and paint Bush out to be a "moron" despite no evidence to substantiate that.

 

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Of course they are gonna say that these are 'jock grades', gimmees for kids of privilege. Never mind the fact that the average person who says it couldn't even do that well at Yale. Me included, probably...
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Here's something interesting I found on the link"

Kerry appeared to be responding to critics who suspected that there might be damaging information in the file about his activities in Vietnam. The military and medical records, however, appear identical to what Kerry has already released. This marks the first time Kerry's grades have been publicly reported.


So can the Swift Boat Vets for Truth shut up now?
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So can the Swift Boat Vets for Truth shut up now?


Nope, since what the paper got ahold of is still not *ALL* of Kerry's military record.

What "other parts" Kerry has been sitting on could still very much support the claims of the Swift Boaters, or could be absolutely nothing, but until Kerry signs off on the form and releases the record, it's Kerry's word against that of a lot of others.
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Since when does education = intelligence? Bush clearly lacks somewhere in his thought process, where I don't know, but the guy seems to have trouble forming complete, accurate, and properly formulated sentences.

In addition, his record on Global Warming (worldwide accepted problem) seems to indicate he doesn't really understand science. His record on American Workers, Overtime Compensation, and consumer rights is so alarming, it is like he just doesn't have much sense about how the real world works. Or is it just that he is a prick and doesn't care? Either way, the guy has done some seriously destructive things that will take at least 2 terms of the next president to fix.

I just think Bush is easily swayed by money and power, and follows the cash, wherever that leads him. Pretty much a useless fuck president.
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Interesting arguments about Bush vs. Kerry. Kerry left college to volunteer for the Navy-Bush Jr. finagled his way into the National Guard ahead of 125 others three days after graduation. Bush Jr. was given a direct commission, extremely rare considering his lack of professional occupation while Kerry went to Vietnam. Bush Jr. was acceptged into flight school ahead of more qualified candidates in spite of his extremely low score on qualification tests (25) while Kerry commanded a pbr. Kerry's military can be accounted for while Bush Jr. cannot account for 18 months and then failed to report for duty in Boston, MA, in spite of a signed agreement. Kerry completed his complete military obligation (6 years then composed of active duty and reserve time) while Bush Jr. did not. Bush Sr. bought Bush Jr. into Harvard Business School with a hefty donation after our President failed to make entry into a law school. Bush Jr. has never had a business he owned succeed, but was bought out by his father's friends or the Saudi Arabians when needer d. Kerry went into public service rather than let his father continually bail him out. Bush Jr. has several drunken driving convictions which he withheld from the public until forced to admit two days prior to the 2000 election. He also cannot account why he participated in an inner city Houston TX youth program while also a member of the National Guard-it is suspected he was busted on a drug charge that his father had quietly sealed. Bush Jr. was removed from flight status by his TANG Commander, but refuses to divulge the location of the Flight Inquiry Report which is mandatory after such action. The document states the exact reasons why such action was taken in lieu of his training. Its a dishonor and abhorrent to most pilots to have this occur and Bush Jr. will only state he received an honorable discharge. Kerry received an honorable discharge from active duty and is accorded the status of Veterans; Bush Jr. is not accorded the same status since his time was entirely National Guard.

Intelligence is not the issue here since grades do not necessarily measure honor and responsibility. Its obvious that Kerry and others accepted responsibility for their actions while Bush Jr. needed his father and friends to continually do that for him. In fact, Bush Jr. moved his Texas gubernatorial records to his father's presidential library in defiance of that state's law rather than have academicians research and write about his tenure.

It seems rather obvious our President is a person who desires not to be accountable for his actions and is yet to admit a single error as president. Sad, but true. particularly for those dying in the line of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. He will not participate in public discussions unless they are carefully screened to deny entry to those opposing his policies-even though taxpayer money pays for the event>his handlers control this carefully to avoid embarassment. It seems George prefers to read a prompter rather than a rational discussion. Further his draconian polices towards Veterans has not endeared him at all.

Why then do we still torment Kerry? Simple, he's done many things Junior hasn't without the aid of his father, his father's friends and the Saudis. Sad legacy.
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Why do people let these troll anonymous users post? It's patently obvious that these aren't people who just wander in. These are people who don't want to post under their real name.
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Is it just me or are D's, C's and B's not exactly astronomical? I did not see mention of either candidate getting any A's. (keep in mind i only skimmed the passages. Pray, correct me if i am wrong here.) You'd think that we could hope for a person having better college grades to lead our country. Guess no one lese wanted to do it. Can you blame them?
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It would be interesting to get the average gpa of the student body at the time to compare because today those grades are absolutely horrible.
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Is it just me or are D's, C's and B's not exactly astronomical? I did not see mention of either candidate getting any A's. (keep in mind i only skimmed the passages. Pray, correct me if i am wrong here.) You'd think that we could hope for a person having better college grades to lead our country. Guess no one lese wanted to do it. Can you blame them?

From what I read, the highest eitehr got was an 89, a B, so I guess there are no As between them.  Why?  Cause the ones that Get As are not going into politics.  They start companies like Microsoft and Apple.

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chelsea clinton's dad can beat young master george's dad.
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Why? Cause the ones that Get As are not going into politics.

Didn't Bill Gates drop out?

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Didn't Bill Gates drop out?

Yep.  But not due to grades.  He got bored.

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did not albert einstein fail math? Lets remember that hanoijohn kerry is a wonderfull speaker, concise, eloquent, well thought out arguements learned as a asst. district attorney, while george is a terrible speaker, unsure sometimes, mangles the english language. Good thing Presidents are NOT elected on how well they speak huh?
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Bakerstreet - yea, some people do that.  Though they don't realize that when they post as anonymous there's a lot of info posted that admins can see. So we know who they are.  I went ahead and deleted the purely trolling comments.
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I would like to know how you get into Harvard Grad School with "C" grades. I had contact with the economics professor of GWB at Harvard and he told me Bush was a POOR student and had off the wall ideas. Bush ran two companies into the ground and is hard pressesed to demonstarte any real success. Given the way he has handled the affairs of this country, it appears he did not learn very much at Yale or Harvard on in business!
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Sometimes you wonder if people are making qualified statements of reality or opinion based ideas driven by jealousy and hatred. It's starting to sound that way, to me.

I thin kif you read his statements in the Laura Bush thread, you will see he has completely lost it.  The truth laid bare.

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Think you overlooked the fact that Bush outperformed Kerry at Yale, Col...


OH,wait, though. You aren't interested in alternatives. This is an 'anyone but Bush' thing, as always. Hell, clone Hitler, who cares, right? Anyone but Bush is an improvement.

Empty rhetoric ignoring the fact that people have to decide, and your Democratic bretheren don't offer anything better.
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I never said Kerry was a great choice. The issue for me is that we have a men in the White House that was a poor student, failure in business and did not meet his obligations in the military.He used drugs and boose and now he is failing to solve the issues that existed when he became President and has created new issues such as the defict and the harm he has caused the military. If we have a Draft it will be because of Bush and the Iraq War! For Four months in a row the Army did not meet its needs. They are 40% short. That can not continue very long!
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For Four months in a row the Army did not meet its needs. They are 40% short


More Baloney!


Army Misses March Recruiting Goal
from American Forces Press Service

Apr 11 2005

By Sgt. 1st Class Doug Sample
WASHINGTON -- The Army fell short of its recruiting goals for the first part of this year, but the service is working to improve the situation, the Defense Department’s top personnel official said here April 5.

“We do not expect to see improvement in the Army recruiting situation during the traditionally challenging February-March-April-May recruiting season,” Undersecretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness David S.C. Chu told a Senate Armed Services subcommittee. For now, it appears that only the Army is having difficulty meeting its goals, he said.

Through February of fiscal 2005, “all services except the Army continued to meet or exceed quantity and quality objectives,” Chu said. Preliminary figures suggest the Army missed its March goal for active duty enlisted accessions by about 2,100 soldiers, he added.

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Chu said the Army is “aggressively attacking” any potential shortfall through several “avenues of approach.” Those avenues include adding as many as 250 more active recruiters over the next 60 days and offering stronger incentives, such as increases in enlistment bonuses and the Army College Fund. Furthermore, the military plans to target advertising, “focusing on influencers, particularly parents,” he said.

“With the Army aggressively shifting resources to respond to recruiting challenges, we are cautiously optimistic that it will achieve its year-end recruiting and end-strength goals,” he said.

Chu also predicted recruiting woes for the National Guard and Reserve, telling the committee that the “first five months of this fiscal year, we are facing a very challenging recruiting environment in the reserve components.”

“The Army National Guard and the Army Reserve are at risk of falling short of their recruiting objectives,” he said.

Chu said Guard and Reserve leaders are addressing the shortfall of recruits in much the same way as the active component, through “aggressive use” of enhanced recruiting and retention incentives and large increases in recruiting forces.

He said the Army National Guard is adding 1,400 recruiters, for a total recruiting force of 4,100. The Army Reserve is adding 734 recruiters, for a total force of 1,774. The Army also is detailing 250 of its recruiters until Reserve recruiters can be trained.

Still, despite recruiting challenges, Chu told the committee that the Defense Department will reach its end-strength goals for the next fiscal year.

“We continue to work with Congress to achieve needed military pay raises and to develop flexible and discretionary compensation programs. We have every confidence that funding and policy modifications will be sufficient to ensure continued success in achieving authorized strength levels,” he said.

In the meantime, Chu said, to help the Army meet its end-strength numbers the service will have to continue use of the current “stop loss” program, which keeps affected soldiers in service beyond their scheduled discharge dates. “The Army will terminate stop loss as soon as it is operationally feasible,” he said.

In January 2005, stop loss programs affected 6,657 active soldiers, 3,016 Army Reserve soldiers, and 2,680 Army National Guard soldiers, Chu said.

He added that Army initiatives, such as increasing modularity, restructuring and rebalancing the active/reserve component mix, and stabilizing the force will eliminate the need for stop loss over time.

“Until those initiatives are fully implemented,” Chu said, “stop loss must continue if we are to meet strength, readiness and cohesion objectives for units deploying to Operations Iraqi and Enduring Freedom.”


Don't look like 40% to me. looks more like 24% to me.


Last year, Army Guard recruiters fell nearly 7,000 short of their goal of 56,000 soldiers. This year, the Guard's recruiting goal is an even more ambitious 63,000 soldiers, in part to make up for the 2004 shortfall. But through January, four months into the recruiting year that began in October, the Guard had recruited just 12,821 new soldiers, almost 24% below its target for that period.
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" I never said Kerry was a great choice."

No, you didn't. Nor do you ever acknowledge that a choice has to be made. You simply say that we shouldn't have Bush. Great. next election work to give us a palatable alternative instead of just grandstanding against the person you oppose.

Perhaps if you spent half the time you waste bashing Bush on promoting a candidate you approve of, there'd be someone else to choose from next election.

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Funny stuff
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The AP reported that the Army was 27% short in Feb; 31% short in March; 42 % short in April and the Army lowered their targets. After the May numbers and considering the fact the Army lowered their tragets, the real shortfall, from theit origional targets, is about 40% below the needs. If that trend is not reversed, a draft will be needed and it will be because or GWB

I did support a better candidate then Bush or Kerry- Sen. McCain but the GOP power brokers insisted on GWB. Last week there was a story on TV of how Bush and his GOP power brokers trashed John MsCain in 2000. What a sad way the Republican party is being lead today!
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Well, there's no question about who was the better looking student (minus the monobrow, of course).
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What about Nader, anyone know what his educational background consists of? What if he's the smartest of the three should he have been elected?
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Here it is, in all its shameful, grammatically mangled, misspelled glory:

I was thinking of the "Bushes must gooooo!!!!!" one.  But anyone will do.