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June 04, 2005
This Koran Nonsense
Liberals spend their entire existence -- all their energies, talents, time, and effort to defame, debase, ridicule, and denigrate religion. They fight religion (even Christmas trees) in court. They fight to keep it out of schools. They fight to keep poor kids from going to religious schools. They fight to remove it from our buildings, monuments, coins, and Pledge of Allegiance.

Liberals use millions upon millions of hours of entertainment to smear and stigmatize religious people. They stereotype and humiliate religion in every imaginable entertainment format they can conceive of. From comics, television, and movies, to music, novels, and video games.

Liberals flock to see and cry out to save and demand to fund with public dollars my Lord in a jar of piss and my Holy Mother made of dung.

Liberals cry theocracy at the drop of a hat. Liberals lie in history books, they lie on television, they lie in their films -- all with the single goal of stigmatizing religion to such a debilitating degree that it ceases to exist. Liberals want religion exterminated. And yet...

These same degenerate religious bigots actually have the gall to be horrified when their project works. They have the unbelievable nerve to be outraged when one of their creations treats the Koran with disrespect. What did they expect? People in the military have spent a majority of their lives held in the sway of liberal propaganda. They've been institutionalized in public schools, movie theaters, and anywhere else the mainstream media holds court -- to disrespect and loathe religion. That there have been so few incidents is a miracle.

Go read The Huffington Post. I won't link to them because they don't deserve it. But read their outrage at the rampage of their own Frankensteins. Read the New York Times, Newsweek, Time, the LA Times. These publications run the national debate. These publications are constantly and doggedly hostile to religion.

Until now, that is. Until now. These people are trash.

Note: Post updated with spelling corrections.

Posted by Dirty Harry at 02:22 PM in Politics |

you will notice dirty harry made sure there are no spelling mistakes, because as all people know, spelling to the educated liberal left is MUCH more important than content. The educated left are nothing but bullies, jumping on any slight mistake a person makes in order to demean and humiliate them. To think that our youth is being taught by the liberals is a gross crime, they do not mold minds, they twist them into a carbon copy of a party long dead, that no longer has morals, values nor a future in america, except as a second class power.

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#63 by cityguy
Wednesday, June 08, 2005

I will hope that some conservative member that come here will adress your questions, I do not feel qualified as I am non white, jewish and moderate in my politics.

thank you for retracting what you said about whip. you have the distinct honor of being the very first democrat to apoligize or say they were wrong. I applaud and commend you.

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Apology accepted.

Thanks. That actually means alot.

Obviously you've lived in largely black middle class neighborhoods, so your perception is different. I do know they exist, and that not all blacks are ghetto thugs, I really do.

Actually, I grew in Gary, IN. I went to Indiana University on a scholarship that was based on my skin and not my grades (as did many of my college friends). I did much better in college than I did in public high schools (as did many of friends as well). I have only lived in a African-American middle class one year of my life, this one. I turned down many gainful employment opportunites to give back to my community in not for profit work. I met my wife in inner-city Chicago, we married in inner-city Detroit.

It may be sad, but it is true that the blacks I interact with on a daily basis are not wearing suits and ties, they don't hold jobs, they don't have passports, and they don't travel to Africa to do charity work. They hang around on street corners, in front of area stores, and cruise the 'hood in cars equipped with speakers that would curl your hair. They carry guns, and use them often. They have multiple children by multiple "baby-daddies" and fence their food stamps for crack. They discard their used needles in the alleys and fencelawns where children play. They raise pit-bulls for fighting. They are loud and obnoxious and dirty and rude and openly hostile to my lone white face.

In my experience, growing up in Gary, living in Chicago, for every person you meet that fits this description, there are five to ten that defy it.

{quote]I eventually had an epiphany about 15 years ago, turned my back on that hate, and have spent the rest of my life putting distance between me and the pepetrators of that hate...whites and blacks alike.

Perhaps that gives you some insight as to why I feel so passionately about these things. If i were as hateful as you claimed, wouldn't I be renting some ramshackle trailer out in Hickville instead of living in the inner city?

I commend you for that

If you have such pride in your race, why not head down to South Richmond the next time you're feeling charitable, and see if you can do some good here?

Your fellow Americans could use the assistance as much as any African could.

Let's stop making assumptions about each other. They are quite offensive. I spend 9 months of a year in the inner-city. I help college students see how they can give back to the community. I spend 4-6 weeks overseas showing them how they can impact the world. Just so you do know, I also work with people from South Richmond and other parts Virginia, especailly Hampton Roads.

That being said, I commend you on you charity work, but 2 trips to Africa does not make you African. I grew up in West Germany, spending 8 years there, and one of my grandparents was a first generation immigrant from Germany. Does that make me a German?

I have been there more than twice. You say there is nothing African about me and that I couldn't survive there. Yet you step around the issue of simply asking for respect, and not being called black. We don't call mixed childrem 'gray' do we? I am simply asking for respect.

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#65 by little_whip
Thursday, June 09, 2005

#66 by cityguy
Thursday, June 09, 2005

now thats what I call civil discoure and respectful behavior.

kudos to the two of you.

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stand on my original point. Unless you yourself were born in Africa, or have a parent that was, there is nothing "African" about you other than the fact that some of your distant anscestors came from there.

If you use this logic, there is nothing black about me either (except my hair and my most comfortable shoes). My ancestry is from Africa (recent ancestry, not going back to the begining of man). True, some African-Americans will refer to themselves as Black. But there are some who want to use the Black in a derogatory way. The word was never meant in a positive. No African are truly black. For some European settlers in Africa it was meant to describe Africans as pagan.

And what's the problem if the rules change? Laws are changed or amended to better society. Is this such a big deal to ask to be respected in manor? Or do you simply feel no need to respect an African-American? That's all I am asking for.

Still, I remain, and I look for the good in anyone I meet, regardless of their skin tone.

You have yet to show that here. The perseption you would have us believe the that there are only poor, dirty, violent people in South Richmond. You say you know them, but have you truly gotten to know them? If so, would they be honored by the words you say about them here in private?

And while I cant speak for your jungle skills, I know that not a single one of the blacks I know would last a week in a desert or jungle setting, hell, they wouldnt even survive in an urban African setting, whatever would they do without their section 8 housing and food stamps?

You say you are not racist anymore but this statement is dripping with racism. My jungle skills? There are more than jungles in Africa. It's too bad that you choose to still hurl insults.

Call yourself anything you like, but until you show me some respect by referring to whites as Northern-Euro-Americans, I'll continue to use the terms I myself am comfortable with

I don't think I have ever used 'white' anywhere in this discussion. I do use the term European-American (thanks for correcting me though, I will now say North European-Americans).

Look, I really wanted to connect with conservatives about issues that are important to African-Americans. I will the first to admit that the Democratic party is far from perfect. But right now it's the lesser of two evils. I know that LW can't speak for all conservatives, but if these comments are any indication of what conservatives are truly like behind closed doors, then the Democratics will continue to be the lesser of those two evils.

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That pretty much sums it up, wanna come visit?

If you are serious, I will. It's part of my job. Otherwise, I find that really hard to believe and incredibly racist. You really try to help your fellow American neighbors and not bash them here.

What about black Americans whose ancestors hail from places other than Africa, like Haiti, Jamaica, or Australia? Must I query each dark-skinned person I meet to ask them if their ancestors are indeed from Africa or perhaps somewhere else so I know how to describe them if the need arises? Does Africa has some sort of monopoly on dark skin? Do you presume to speak for all of them?

Would you object to them being called Haitian-American. Oh, and let's not forget, that most of them have ancestory from Africa as well. (Of course not the Aboriginals from Australia. I have never said that I am not an American. I am very much an American. Again, I am only asking for respect in not being called Black. If you want to call me an American, that's fine.

My Husband recently immigrated from England, and when He takes His citizenship test in 2008, He will NOT be referring to Himself as a British-American. Just an American.

If that's good enough for Him, why isn't it good enough for YOU?

And I am not trying to speak for anyone else, so don't ask that your husband speaks for me.

I am trying to ask serious questions and I am only getting insults. Please, if you don't have anything good to say about African-Americans please try not to respond.

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Every single black person I know, which is quite a few, refer to themselves as black. Many of them openly object to the African-American label as they themselves say they are NOT African. These are middle class working people. Good family people, who I am happy to call my friends. They also refer to me as white (if it even comes up) even though I have as much Apache blood in me as Irish. I don't have a problem with it either. I look more or less like the average white person.

Personally I think PEOPLE need to get past and get over the whole labels issue and focus on more important things. I think of myself as a person. A human being. Period. I think of other people, friends, neighbors, strangers, as people. Human beings. Why this need to stick labels on everyone?

If you feel that a label of one sort or another garners you respect, you have far bigger issues to deal with in yourself. Respect in not about labels, it's about how people treat you and interact with you. My friends, of all races, treat me with respect and jovial kindness, and I treat them in a like manner. Why? Because we don't waste time worrying about labels, race, or any of the other total wastes of energy and instead deal with each other as PEOPLE.

Oh, and yes, I consider myself to be more conservative than not. Not that it really matters. Come to think of it, so are most (not all) of my friends.

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I've never disputed that and I in fact agreed with it. But times do change and there is a generation that has a different preference when interacting with people outside of his/her culture. It's not because they are African, but because of the choice to identify with a lost heritage. We know that some of ancestors come from Africa, but we will never know where. Their culture lives among us as Americans, and even more so as African-Americans. You can see it in our food, in our celebration, in our music. But it is very much so American, not African. It is influenced by our ancestors from Africa, which is where most dark skinned people can trace their heritage to. It's a choice to not forget that history. That's all I meant by respect.

Believe or not, this is the first time I have ever had this conversation. I don't spend a great deal of time thinking or talking about this. Most of the Caucasians I know (which is quite a few) refer to us as African-Americans. When I meet someone for the first time that refers to me as Black, it does alarm me at first until I get to know that person. In my history, when someone who isn't African-American, it was usually followed by the n-word. When I hear people speak of African-Americans as 'they' or 'them' or 'you people' or 'those people', it is usually coming from someone with hate in their background.

If you feel that a label of one sort or another garners you respect, you have far bigger issues to deal with in yourself. Respect in not about labels, it's about how people treat you and interact with you.

Does that help you understand where I am coming from now? That's what I mean by respect.

I would actually like to drop the African-American thing for other issues. Some of the questions I asked before were do a great deal of conservatives think this way about the African-American community? It was not the 'label' thing that I was refering to that sounded racist. It's the fact that in your community, you say that everyone is all bad. There is nothing good in you community. LW, you say that's what you see, but have you stopped to talk with anyone so that they are heard. It's really easy to talk down about them, it's a lot harder to help them. Let's go beyond a the name of the community and talk about the community. I confess, I went down a long rabbit trail. But let's talk about how conservatives see the problem and would like to address it.

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I don't remeber how this topic got from liberals to blacks...but its kinda funny...

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It's a choice to not forget that history.

It would truly be a shame for anyone to forget their history as all peoples have a rich heritage of history to draw upon.

do a great deal of conservatives think this way about the African-American community? It was not the 'label' thing that I was refering to that sounded racist. It's the fact that in your community, you say that everyone is all bad.

I'll respond to this as someone who is somewhat conservative, although it wasn't really directed to me, but LW. I am not answering for her, as she is capable of doing so herself, but I am fairly conservative.

Firstly, I don't view or think about the "African-American Community" at all. I view and think about the community in which I live. It's a community made up of people of many races and backgrounds, and quite a few people from other countries. From what I can observe, we have no "African-American" communities here. We have no "Caucasian Community" here. We have no "Mexican American" community here. We have many different people all living and working in a community of people.

As long as people insist on setting themselves apart from the whole as a "XXXXXXX Community" they do just that. They set themselves apart, as if they somehow don't belong to the community as a whole. I think it's really sad that some people would wish to do this to themselves.

We have a mixture of people here with regard to incomes,from the extremely wealthy to the very poor. From the well educated to the uneducated. From the fluent English speakers, to people who speak little or no English at all (some of use speak "southern" LOL). We also have our crime problems like any other place.

I don't make nor accept excuses for criminal behavior. There are jobs to be had here for ANYONE willing to work. I have no tolerance for the theives, the drug dealers, or the trouble makers regardless of their race or background. There simply is no acceptable excuse for it and the people who try to make excuses for it only serve to add to the problem.

Our community is far from perfect, but work is plentiful, we have a decent climate here (Florida), and most of us generally get along pretty well. The spot where I live is mostly white people, but 1 block over is mostly black people. I like to ride my bicycle whenever I can. I feel perfectly comfortable riding through the neighborhood, often waving to the folks I pass. Some I know, some I don't but we are all part of one community. We are neighbors.

As far as solving some of the problems of poverty and crime, it's called getting a job. Ok, being realistic, jobs may not be as readily available in some places, I don't know. I can only speak to where I live. There is no shortage of jobs. If someone chooses to deal drugs or steal, they are CHOOSING to do so. They are certainly not forced. There are employers here begging people to come to work. There is no excuse.

Oh and by the way, I live in a trailer, so I guess that makes me "trailer trash with an internet connection". So I'm sure my views and experiences don't matter much.

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Oh and by the way, I live in a trailer, so I guess that makes me "trailer trash with an internet connection". So I'm sure my views and experiences don't matter much

--Not true, your one of the people i like hearing thoughts on specific topics from...

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Our community is far from perfect, but work is plentiful, we have a decent climate here (Florida), and most of us generally get along pretty well. The spot where I live is mostly white people, but 1 block over is mostly black people. I like to ride my bicycle whenever I can. I feel perfectly comfortable riding through the neighborhood, often waving to the folks I pass. Some I know, some I don't but we are all part of one community. We are neighbors.

That's awesome. I wish more people thought like you.

Oh and by the way, I live in a trailer, so I guess that makes me "trailer trash with an internet connection". So I'm sure my views and experiences don't matter much.

Again, I really apologize for that comment. Not just to LW, but to all that may have been offended by it. Please accept my apology. There is no excuse for it. Your opinion is valuable regardless of where you come from.

As far as solving some of the problems of poverty and crime, it's called getting a job. Ok, being realistic, jobs may not be as readily available in some places, I don't know. I can only speak to where I live. There is no shortage of jobs. If someone chooses to deal drugs or steal, they are CHOOSING to do so. They are certainly not forced. There are employers here begging people to come to work. There is no excuse.

I agree. However there are some places where jobs are not readily available as you state. Also, some places have schools that are not up to helping students get into college. While the majority do not resort to a life a crime, they do find themselves in an seemingly inescapable cycle of poverty. Using an example from Florida in Orlando would be Jones High School (an F high school again this year) and how some of the people in Orlando's Parramore school district suffer from it.

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Ok, so you went to a lousy school. (Hypothetical person). Do something about it!
I dropped out of school myself. Once I made the decision later on to actually do something for myself, after getting out of the military I earned my GED and put myself through college by working. I didn't wait for someone to help me into college. I helped myself.

Anyone can if they are willing to do so. It doesn't even take money to get started. Books are to be had for free at the library, all you care to read and learn. There are a great many open enrollment college and community colleges.

Also, one doesn't have to go to college in order to earn a living. Personally if I lived in a place that had no jobs, I would go someplace that did. Even if I had to hitch-hike to get there. (Done that). The trucking industry is seriously short-handed for drivers. And the work pays pretty well. Many companies will provide the training. And truck drivers can live anywhere and work for companies anywhere. Just one example.

Some people just give up and/or don't even try. Yes there are problems out there. No sane person would deny that. But which is really better, sitting around waiting for "someone" to come and help you, or getting off your arse and helping yourself?

I am far more willing to help someone who is making an effort to help themself as someone who is just sitting around bemoaning how unfair life is and how they just can't make it.

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LW, I would like to take you up on your offer. Email me [email protected]

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I was remiss in not acknowledging these statements. I appreciate the fact that we can all make statements in the heat of the moment that we later regret, and I further appreciate and respect anyone who is adult enough to admit same. Thank you.

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LW, MasonM, thanks.

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Hey wait a minute! Rational discourse? Here? Can't be!

cityguy, while I'm hardly the most sensationalist blogger here (far from it), you're welcome to comment on my blog any time.

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Hey wait a minute! Rational discourse? Here? Can't be!

cityguy, while I'm hardly the most sensationalist blogger here (far from it), you're welcome to comment on my blog any time.

nice huh? sweet in fact. I just love it when people make an effort to get along and at least try to see another persons points.

yaaaa rational discourse

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