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USA is Bogged down in IRAQ

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USA is Bogged down in IRAQ

A Stalemate is on Hand

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The news from Iraq is getting messier by the day. The American public was told that once the elections are held peace and quiet will descend on Iraq. Those opf us who have been follwing that story knew better. Now after 150,000 Iraqi lives destroyed, billions of dollars worth of infrastructure destroyed, nearly 2000 US soldiers killed in action and the golbal image of the USA is tatters it is time to reflect on the whole issue. The neo conmen who led the country to war underestimated the power of the Iraqi Resistance. They were not aware that in1922-24 when the British administered Mesopotamia as part of its maNDATED TERRITORY there was hell in store for them at a time when the Iraqi civil society was far less developed than it is today. There is no way this war can be won. Luttwak is perfectly right when he says that USA must disengage itself from Iraq. Disengagement is not retreat and must not be perceived that way. In the last week alone Bagdad has seen the death of nearly 550 civillians in car bombs and other acts of violence targetted against Iraqi s.

A disturbing trend is that the troops are not being rotated. This means that after a tour of duty a soldier who could look forward to spending time with his wife and children can no longer do so. The morale of troops will be affected and more importantly even the top brass of the US army is admitting that the war is bearing down heavily on troop morale. Gen Raggis was chashiered from the US army for telling the truth.

At this rate the dreaded draft will be introduced and that is the only way the present level of American engagement can be maintained. As for as the Iraqis taking over the security operations just forget it. The Iraqis are nowhere close to reaching the target. AT THE FIRST SIGN OF GUNNFIRE THE iRAQI FLEES AND THE FEW who stand and fight find that they are usually overlooked for rewards which is cornered by the staff officers close to the Americans. Moreover the level of Intellegence of the Iraqi resistance is improving. This spells danger.
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Reply #101 from JoeUser Forums Top
The American Revolution was worth every life to secure our freedom. If the Iraq people had done the same thing we would not be fighting there. Americans fought for their freedom. That is not what took place in Iraq. We invaded which would be like France invading to end the Rule of England in 1776. That was not what took place. Although the French did provide some help, it was the Americans that took the action to secure our freedom. That is not what happened in Iraq!
Reply #102 from JoeUser Forums Top
If the Iraq people had done the same thing we would not be fighting there.


The Iraqi people tried that, they were gassed. Do you remember that?

If you read about it, and when I say read I don't mean read the MSM headlines, you would see Iraqis stepping up more and more. If you think the Iraqis could have toppled Saddam by themselves, then you probably believe liberalism is for America.
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Reply #103 from JoeUser Forums Top
We invaded which would be like France invading to end the Rule of England in 1776. That was not what took place. Although the French did provide some help, it was the Americans that took the action to secure our freedom. That is not what happened in Iraq!


--I'm not saying the iraqi's didn't take action, they did! They were slaughtered... Link
(this is a link to an article that will show you what happened to just a few who tried)

--France invading England is different in that France Hated England, their rivalry extens almost 600 years before that...We invaded because of different reasons, not because we hated them/Hussein, but because of (IYO; oil, etc...IMO: Freedom, etc...)

--Frankley, I lose more and more respect for you with each post Col...you are essentially a Pessimist...I have yet to see you post anything good about the war in iraq...
Reply #104 from JoeUser Forums Top
we've focused on other things,infrastructure,etc... oh, and please don't reply with the "we are only doing that so we can have the iraqi's trust us, then we will take their oi...crap."....Bonus Rating: Trolling Insightful


The USA bombed the infrastructure out of existence after the Ist Gulf War. The sanctions imposed saw to it that nothing worthwhile is constructed. Did you, for instance know that even paracetamol on proscribed and more than 85,000 infants and children died as a result. Any parent who wakes up in the night to find the baby hot asd a piece of burning coal would know what a relief paracetamol brings to the chils. To have children die for the lack of it is a man made diaster and the UN is primarily responsible. Afterall that the Iraqi people have gone through the least one can do is to leave them alone to collect their dead burry them with dignity and proceed on with their lives. American Occupation has made that option difficult. As for US helping in the rebuilding, yes, we will see the fat cats of Halliburton coming back to steal from the Iraqis once agasin.
Reply #105 from JoeUser Forums Top
The USA bombed the infrastructure out of existence after the Ist Gulf War


--diferrent administration

Did you, for instance know that even paracetamol on proscribed and more than 85,000 infants and children died as a result. Any parent who wakes up in the night to find the baby hot asd a piece of burning coal would know what a relief paracetamol brings to the chils. To have children die for the lack of it is a man made diaster and the UN is primarily responsible.


--Exactly,and yes i know, also its not the usa's fault, its the UN's they placed the sanctions, also, the majority of the time the sanctions were on, clinton was president...so why didn't he bypass them...(not trying to bash clinton)


Afterall that the Iraqi people have gone through the least one can do is to leave them alone to collect their dead burry them with dignity and proceed on with their lives. American Occupation has made that option difficult. As for US helping in the rebuilding, yes, we will see the fat cats of Halliburton coming back to steal from the Iraqis once agasin.


--and the usa is doing that, setting them up, dusting them off, and getting back to moving forward, strides are being made, but you have to look past the media,in fact, don't listen to it...99% of it is "what sells" media... also, fuck haliburton, let them be taken care of elsewhere...all corporations are like that...greed is a top rule in the world, lets focus on the future...


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Reply #106 from JoeUser Forums Top
This means that after a tour of duty a soldier who could look forward to spending time with his wife and children can no longer do so.(This is a bold face lie, sorry)


This is the norm in all armies. In fact in a recent CNN interview.the Secy of Defence, admitted as much, and he said with a sly grimace that the Iraqis must take more responsibility for the War.
Reply #107 from JoeUser Forums Top
There are 25 Million people in Iraq. Yes several thousand were gassed but if they wanted freedom, you can not tell me that if the majority of 25 Million wanted freedom they could not have done just what we did in 1776! This war is going badely. Just look at the past two days!
Reply #108 from JoeUser Forums Top
Afterall that the Iraqi people have gone through the least one can do is to leave them alone to collect their dead burry them with dignity and proceed on with their lives. American Occupation has made that option difficult. As for US helping in the rebuilding, yes, we will see the fat cats of Halliburton coming back to steal from the Iraqis once agasin.


It's really not the U.N.'s or the U.S. fault, it's Saddam. The sanctions were imposed on Iraq because of the actions that Saddam took, he bears all responsibility.


There are 25 Million people in Iraq. Yes several thousand were gassed but if they wanted freedom, you can not tell me that if the majority of 25 Million wanted freedom they could not have done just what we did in 1776! This war is going badely. Just look at the past two days!


You have no idea what you are talking about. Saddam gasses people who oppose him, they publically execute people who oppose, and that's just two things. You have no understanding of how Saddam controlled the country.
Reply #109 from JoeUser Forums Top
There are 25 Million people in Iraq. Yes several thousand were gassed but if they wanted freedom, you can not tell me that if the majority of 25 Million wanted freedom they could not have done just what we did in 1776! This war is going badely. Just look at the past two days!


--He controlled through fear, and the people were afraid, hell, i'd like to live, i would rather turn a cheek and live life, than fight a man that has an iron grip over the country...
Reply #110 from JoeUser Forums Top
You have no idea what you are talking about. Saddam gasses people who oppose him, they publically execute people who oppose, and that's just two things. You have no understanding of how Saddam controlled the country.Bonus Rating: Trolling


--He controlled through fear, and the people were afraid, hell, i'd like to live, i would rather turn a cheek and live life, than fight a man that has an iron grip over t


In fact feat it may well be. After this piec e was written, Sen Robert Kennedy made a speech in which he used the word "QUAGMIRE", of Vietnam vintage. I still believe that USA can get out, provided they engage diplomatically. In fact news has just come in through the London Times that the USA HAS OPENED A CHANNEL OF COMMUNICATION WITH THE rESISTANCE.
Reply #111 from JoeUser Forums Top
You have no idea what you are talking about. Saddam gasses people who oppose him, they publically execute people who oppose, and that's just two things. You have no understanding of how Saddam controlled the country.Bonus Rating: Trolling


--He controlled through fear, and the people were afraid, hell, i'd like to live, i would rather turn a cheek and live life, than fight a man that has an iron grip over t


In fact feat it may well be. After this piec e was written, Sen Robert Kennedy made a speech in which he used the word "QUAGMIRE", of Vietnam vintage. I still believe that USA can get out, provided they engage diplomatically. In fact news has just come in through the London Times that the USA HAS OPENED A CHANNEL OF COMMUNICATION WITH THE rESISTANCE.


You know something? If your going to talk about the US, bad or good. You need to get your facts straight! Senator Robert "Bobby" Kennedy was assasinated on June 5 1968 by Sirhan B. Sirhan. Since Bobby was killed "before" Vietnam ended, it kind of makes your post look rather foolish doesn't it?
Reply #112 from JoeUser Forums Top
it kind of makes your post look rather foolish doesn't it?

--Foolish is as foolish does...(kinda applies to a lot..."