Chirac's Europe falls apart - in his own country

Calls being for Chirac to resign

From The Washington Post, headline is linked.




French Voters Reject First EU Constitution


By JOHN LEICESTER
The Associated Press
Sunday, May 29, 2005; 5:48 PM


PARIS -- French voters rejected the European Union's first constitution Sunday, a stinging repudiation of President Jacques Chirac's leadership and the ambitious, decades-long effort to further unite the continent.
Chirac, who urged voters to approve the charter, announced the result in a brief, televised address. He said the process of ratifying the treaty would continue in other EU countries.
"It is your sovereign decision, and I take note," Chirac said. "Make no mistake, France's decision inevitably creates a difficult context for the defense of our interests in Europe."
With 92 percent of votes counted, the treaty was rejected by 56.14 percent of voters, the Interior Ministry said. It was supported by 43.86 percent.
Treaty opponents chanting "We won!" gathered at Paris' Place de la Bastille, a symbol of rebellion where angry crowds in 1789 stormed the Bastille prison and sparked the French Revolution. Cars blared their horns and "no" campaigners thrust their arms into the air.
"This is a great victory," said Fabrice Savel, 38, from the working class suburb of Aubervilliers. He was distributing posters that read: "Non to a free-market Europe."
EU leaders in Brussels, Belgium, vowed to continue their effort to have the constitution approved.
All 25 EU members must ratify the text for it to take effect as planned by Nov. 1, 2006. Nine already have done so: Austria, Hungary, Italy, Germany, Greece, Lithuania, Slovakia, Slovenia and Spain.
The Dutch vote Wednesday, with polls showing opposition to the constitution there running at about 60 percent. On Friday, the constitution's main architect, former French President Valery Giscard d'Estaing, said countries that reject the treaty will be asked to vote again.
France's rejection could set the continent's plans back by years. The nation was a primary architect of European unity.
"There is no more constitution," leading opponent Philippe de Villiers said. "It is necessary to reconstruct Europe on other foundations that don't currently exist."
De Villiers called on Chirac to resign _ something the French leader had said he would not do _ and called for parliament to be dissolved.
"Tonight we face a major political crisis," he said.
Extreme-right leader Jean-Marie Le Pen, who campaigned vigorously for the constitution's defeat, also called for Chirac's resignation.
Chirac "wanted to gamble ... and he has lost," Le Pen said, alluding to Chirac's decision not to submit the charter to sure approval by parliament. The EU constitution can be adopted either by a referendum or a nation's legislature.



... more at linked article


Ah, shades of the Iraq war resolutions return and this time haunt Mr. Chirac. You all remember Jacques - he, one of the bribed, friend of Saddam, who was so instrumental in trying to 'delegitimize' the war against Iraq and the removal of Saddam from power. He who was there to be a thorn in the side of the U.S., who would not cooperate and help in the U.N. to get a final resolution passed that would have clearly given world approval and support to the war. He who also helped to keep NATO from assisting in Iraq to any real level. Yup, that guy.

Now his own people have turned on him and his glorious vision for a new and more powerful Europe that would be able to lead the world, rather than having to follow the U.S., or the U.K.

Too bad for Jacques. Nice to see though that the French citizenry actually do have a brain and are able to smell the stink that would be the E.U. as proposed by Chirac and his friends.

At least France voted 'non' before the Netherlands did. It would have been sad to see France head down the wrong path thanks to Chirac only to have the required mandate blown thanks to another nation -- another nation that was also smart enough to see E.U. is not necessarily what is the best for the nations of Europe.


That sound you hear is dancing in the streets of France and Holland....
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Here's an interesting commentary about voting on the EU consititution.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn29.html

and a funny disection of Will Hutton
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Interesting side bar.  What nation has been friends to the US the longest?

Give up?  The Netherlands!

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It is sad to see such a narrow mindness. There is a reason why most political parties, labor unions and what else are in favor of this European constitution, and that is that it is actually a step forward to a better working European Union. It is a compromise, everything always is in the EU, but it is not a bad compromise. And no, Iraq has nothing to do with this issue at all. Note that the governments of the UK, Poland and the Netherlands, all supporters of the USA, all strongly support this constitution.
Even the government of the USA recognizes that the EU is actually the best thing for the European continent and is lobbying actively to gets its allies (the new democracies in Eastern Europe and Turkey) admitted.
So don't count on many dancing feed in either France, the Netherlands or anyplace else in Europe. The no-voters vote no out of protest, not because they have a clear view of what should replace the constitution.
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The no-voters vote no out of protest, not because they have a clear view of what should replace the constitution.

Nailed it.
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It is sad to see such a narrow mindness. There is a reason why most political parties, labor unions and what else are in favor of this European constitution, and that is that it is actually a step forward to a better working European Union. It is a compromise, everything always is in the EU, but it is not a bad compromise. And no, Iraq has nothing to do with this issue at all. Note that the governments of the UK, Poland and the Netherlands, all supporters of the USA, all strongly support this constitution.
Even the government of the USA recognizes that the EU is actually the best thing for the European continent and is lobbying actively to gets its allies (the new democracies in Eastern Europe and Turkey) admitted.
So don't count on many dancing feed in either France, the Netherlands or anyplace else in Europe. The no-voters vote no out of protest, not because they have a clear view of what should replace the constitution.


If this is true and I'm not saying it isn't. Then why was it so overwhelmingly defeated at the polls?
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The no-voters vote no out of protest, not because they have a clear view of what should replace the constitution.

Nailed it.

I disagree.  They voted no out of independance.  They may not have a clear view of a united Europe, but hey have a clear view of their own nationality and laws.  And they do not want to subjugate their life to that of another 250m people that do not share their priorities.

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I disagree. They voted no out of independance. They may not have a clear view of a united Europe, but hey have a clear view of their own nationality and laws. And they do not want to subjugate their life to that of another 250m people that do not share their priorities.


I agree...things should get interesting...
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Interesting to see how Americans just know why the French voted the way they did I live in the Netherlands, still intend to vote no this Wednesday in our own referendum and I can assure you, both based on the extensive media coverage of the French vote and on the discussions we have here at home, it is a vote out of protest/dissatisfaction.

Both governments are hugely impopular, the economy in both countries is lagging, and the voters here are a fickle lot, so yes, they can easily form a majority in something like this. Hell, a few years back they even transformed a new party which feeded on this dissatisfaction to one of the biggest parties in our parliament (to dump it again at the next elections). Also note that initially the French were in favour of the constitution. Only after some incidents with the EU became he opposed to it..

Note also that the referendum is only clear about the consequences of a 'yes' vote, nobody knew or knows what will happen in case of a 'no'. It is clear to everyone that the EU needs to be changed, but if the proposed direction is shot down by the voters, there is no clear alternate direction to take. So it is actually almost impossible to properly vote in this referendum.

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The no-voters vote no out of protest, not because they have a clear view of what should replace the constitution.


Sorry, but I think the above statement is not correct, while the statement below (by Dr. Guy) was far more accurate.

I disagree. They voted no out of independance. They may not have a clear view of a united Europe, but hey have a clear view of their own nationality and laws. And they do not want to subjugate their life to that of another 250m people that do not share their priorities.


This seems to be exactly the problem and reason. The politicians in Europe that want this great big competitor to the U.S.A. just aren't able to offer enough reasons why they have to end the independence all these citizens were used to.

The Brits, especially, were not found of the EU initially because they are (for the most part) happy with their own leaders, their own laws, and their own lifestyles. They didn't want to change to bend to rules that are set by someone in Brussels that knows literally nothing of the history of the citizens they would be leading.
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No, i think it really is a vote of protest. The French have learned to dislike their President AND Prime Minister. It is an actual "no" to their politic since a Yes was encouraged by the mentioned leaders. The "independance" side of it isnt really the point. It's a bit late for that...
They've got the Euro, the fading away of border lines, so a European Constitution was what everyone knew would be happening. And they knew it since the 90s. So it's just a kick in the ass of Mr Chirac unfortunately for him...
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Interesting to see how Americans just know why the French voted the way they did

Not know, opine.  Notice that none of us (at least me) said "the facts are".  We used terems like "I Think" which indicates an opinion.