is important to understand the underlying causes and it is just as important that we are following effective policies that are able to counter act the underlying clauses and correct the problem. That is what we are lacking in our budget, trade, jobs and border security to sight just a few examples. This is not polls it is hard data that shows the results we have been achieving.

No what's important is that when people (myself included) come up with hard data that refutes you data...we are labeled as stupid and ignorant.

It is important to understand the underlying causes and it is just as important that we are following effective policies that are able to counter act the underlying clauses and correct the problem.

And that's where you totally miss. You do nothing but blame Bush, nothing else. You don't take in account for any other cause, than it's the fault of Bush, even though we clearly show the difference.

is important to understand the underlying causes and it is just as important that we are following effective policies that are able to counter act the underlying clauses and correct the problem. That is what we are lacking in our budget, trade, jobs and border security to sight just a few examples. This is not polls it is hard data that shows the results we have been achieving. No what's important is that when people (myself included) come up with hard data that refutes you data...we are labeled as stupid and ignorant.

And here is a prime and shining example of what I'm talking about.Link

Well *col* what have you to say about this?

Your data does not refute the data I used. That is the problem. There is no data that refutes the $2 Trillion increasesd debt. The increase in the trade deficit, the drop in Average weekly wages after inflation. The fact that 3 million people came into this country with no effective action by INS and the Border patrol. The loss of American Jobs to other countries. The fact we have committed over $ 300 Bllion in Iraq with no end in sight. Nothing you could offer changes ANY of these facts. They are the results of the policies we age following!

Link

Show me ONE Democrat who isn't invested in the stock market. If it's a "losing proposition" as the Democrats propose, then why do they invest in it?

The issue is NOT investment in the stock market. It is the ability of Social Sceurity to pay the benefits as promised to the baby boomers.

col,

the benefits were promised to my generation as well. You're proposing a continuation of the "rob from the future to pay the present" mentality; I'm proposing its gradual reorganization.

The issue is NOT investment in the stock market. It is the ability of Social Sceurity to pay the benefits as promised to the baby boomers.

WRONG answer! That is "EXACTLY" the issue of this thread! So, now answer Gid's question! Or can you?

unless funding can be found to pay the benefits of the people who are retired; are about to retire and are too old for individual accounts, we have not solved the issue Bush is talking about. The individual accounts are for the generation AFTER the Babby Boomers. We must first fix that problem and creating individual accounts will take money away from the boomers and make that problem worse! The 2042 date after which SS can not pay 100% of the promised benefits will come much earlier if we divert trillions from the trust fund into individual accounts.

unless funding can be found to pay the benefits of the people who are retired; are about to retire and are too old for individual accounts, we have not solved the issue Bush is talking about. The individual accounts are for the generation AFTER the Babby Boomers. We must first fix that problem and creating individual accounts will take money away from the boomers and make that problem worse! The 2042 date after which SS can not pay 100% of the promised benefits will come much earlier if we divert trillions from the trust fund into individual accounts.

This figures.... You don't have an answer for Gidieons question do you? And the reply you gave (#34) doesn't even come close.

WTF do i bother..................

drmiler

The answer to the question posed by Gidieons is to properly fund the current Social Security program so SS can deal with the increase in Americans created after the second world war. Once that bubble has passed, we will have a situation similar to what we have today in terms of the number of people working compared with the number of people receiving benefits. Today Social Security is actually generating a net surplus and last year it had a surplus of $156 billion. So the issue is to get past the baby boomers by adding to the trust fund. The way you get more money into the trust fund is first invest the money currently in the fund (about $1.7 Trillion)in higher-yielding investments such as equities rather than the treasury obligations the Trust Fund currently holds. Second is to increase the inflow by raising the limit of taxable income for Social Security. This is how you ensure that the system can pay my retiremeny, the baby boomers retirement and the the retirement for Gidieons generation. You don't fix SS by transferring money out of this the trust fund to create individual accounts like Bush is proposing. That is how you will be able to meet the obligations of Social Security to all generations.

drmiler The answer to the question posed by Gidieons is to properly fund the current Social Security program so SS can deal with the increase in Americans created after the second world war. Once that bubble has passed, we will have a situation similar to what we have today in terms of the number of people working compared with the number of people receiving benefits. Today Social Security is actually generating a net surplus and last year it had a surplus of $156 billion. So the issue is to get past the baby boomers by adding to the trust fund. The way you get more money into the trust fund is first invest the money currently in the fund (about $1.7 Trillion)in higher-yielding investments such as equities rather than the treasury obligations the Trust Fund currently holds. Second is to increase the inflow by raising the limit of taxable income for Social Security. This is how you ensure that the system can pay my retirement, the baby boomers retirement and the the retirement for Gidieons generation. You don't fix SS by transferring money out of this the trust fund to create individual accounts like Bush is proposing. That is how you will be able to meet the obligations of Social Security to all generations.

I love it!!! You finally come up with an intelligent answer to a simple question and yet you turn it around and make it GW's fault.

Bush is dum just like his daddy and both don't know how to run a country, i dont have a problem with republicans but those two bush's are awful!!!!